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fordfan25
07-23-2005, 08:36 PM
im sick of it. why does blue get all there super late war fantasy fighters and the US flyers dont. there were more bearcats,f4u-4,p47N/M and even p51H's made than ki84C,TA152 ect. why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact...................

arcadeace
07-23-2005, 08:58 PM
Yo tiznell em rappa. Absolutely gang bangin'! Oleg is a Zazi.

faustnik
07-23-2005, 09:27 PM
The P-38L Late is a good addition, as well as the +25 Mustang. Maybe we will see a "P-51D Late, P-47D Late, Spit IX +25, Spit XIV or a Tempest in the next patch. Be patient FordFan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Grey_Mouser67
07-23-2005, 09:39 PM
Yeah it should get better...although for the allies to really equal things up the J model lightning still needs some umph and maybe even still the L...climb too slow and elevator authority.

The Spit now rocks and rolls when firing its guns and manuevering while its enemies are nearly stall proof now so some tweaking is in order there.

A little more ummph in those .50's would do wonders to improve red teams position...a mustang should do approximately (a hair less) as much damage as a Spitfire Mk IXc and the Jug about like a Mk IXe...these are approximations but 3 .50's are about one hispano plus a little higher rate of fire.

The stang is fairly impotent in terms of handling qualities and the Jug should fly like it is on rails and both...but especially the mustang should be best in class in e retention....

Improve the damage modelling of the Jug and Hellcat and of course fix the Fw damage model bug while we're at it...am I the only one that finds it odd that the Dora and Antons share the same damage model bug???? It is as if they have the same damage model??? Even though one has and inline engine and the other a radial! I doubt this is coincidence.

Do all those things and add the tempest, mosquito and Mk XIV and the allies will have something to cheer about!

Just tonight, as I was engaged with 2 fw190A-8's and I was in a Spit MkIXe...we were all on teamspeak...one of them (not knowing who I was due to icons) stated..."just turn and use your e until the spitfire snap stalls."

It is a sad day in flight simulation history when a virtual pilot fears the stall and flight characteristics of a spitfire!

Blue doesn't have all the best planes, but they do have some cool late war planes that red side doesn't and the latest patch...well there is plenty of controversy...but if you listen in the dogfight rooms long enough it doesn't take long to figure out which planes are performing better than others...I hear it loud and clear.

AerialTarget
07-23-2005, 09:43 PM
Yes, and those who fly them will do anything to make sure that they keep those super duper superplanes!

faustnik
07-23-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
Yes, and those who fly them will do anything to make sure that they keep those super duper superplanes!

What? You want Oleg to take the late LW and IJA stuff out?

fordfan25
07-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
The P-38L Late is a good addition, as well as the +25 Mustang. Maybe we will see a "P-51D Late, P-47D Late, Spit IX +25, Spit XIV or a Tempest in the next patch. Be patient FordFan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


......dang it. now i feel bad for fishing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. why couldnt u say something more offinsive lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

heywooood
07-23-2005, 11:01 PM
need to use more a'lure'ing bait ma fren'

faustnik
07-23-2005, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by fordfan2


......dang it. now i feel bad for fishing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. why couldnt u say something more offinsive lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Ohhhh, it sounded like a legitate request thread. I've been caught.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Badsight.
07-23-2005, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact................... you havent played FB much have you

vocatx
07-23-2005, 11:44 PM
Yeah, trying flying blue in a late-war Pacific server. Might as well be flying triplanes against the P-38.

sapre
07-24-2005, 12:20 AM
Why does everyone use the name "red" and "blue"?
It's confusing and it sound so "arcadish".

arcadeace
07-24-2005, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact................... you havent played FB much have you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Badsight you just dag nasty good. Who has the right?

Hetzer_II
07-24-2005, 12:57 AM
Funny thing is that allied side dont have anything tio moan besides the 0.50 anymore..

-They have the fastest aircraft mustang mkIII
-They have the 38 late which is only slower than d9 and can hold its own against every 190 and 109 if flown propperly
-The 47 is one of the best high alt fighters in game.. a bit to heavy for low altitude.. but what do you want from a flying brick?
-The IX is one of the most dangerous planes because of its e-rentation and hanging on the prop-syndrom..
-p51d second fastest plane on the westfront.. with 6 0.50 not underarmed... still not bad in turning.. a good choice

What have the axis?
-190A now is good armed but not useable in dogfight situations anymore.. very capable for teamtactics
-190D is a very capable aircraft now, besides beeing much to slow on low altitudes compared to rl...
-109... thats a bit different... i also feel that it might be a bit to turny.. but hey.. IX when hold in the right speed can outfly you with ease... its climbing.. hm.. most planes climb much to good especially on low speeds..
-ta152.. i dont fly it... because i like realistic planesets.. and if you fly on rl server you will not find it often as chooseable...
-262 not to talk about that.. its banned almost everywhere... but hey there were over 1150 262 build and more than 250 were in service on the front starting in late 44...

So i dont see that we are outgunned..

Hydra444
07-24-2005, 01:32 AM
Its not the planes man,its the people flying them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I myself have been spending alot of seat time in the P-47 and have to say that it is an awesome bird.It is the ultimate cheapshot a/c http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I don't find that the blues have anymore of an advantage than the reds.

crazyivan1970
07-24-2005, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
im sick of it. why does blue get all there super late war fantasy fighters and the US flyers dont. there were more bearcats,f4u-4,p47N/M and even p51H's made than ki84C,TA152 ect. why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact...................

Maybe server admins to blame eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Making bad choices on plane sets? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

carguy_
07-24-2005, 02:25 AM
Maybe you missed it but american lawyers have actually got something to do with it.Sue them.

IJN has a very limited planeset.LW has 109,190,ju87,he11,ta152.

Axis = Japan,Italy,3rd Reich(mainly)

Alied =GBR,USA,USSR(mainly)

Compare how many planes axis vs allied have and stfu.

This sim tries to focus on historical accuracy.The British made cannons,the Soviet made BIG cannons,the American made machineguns.

Stop.What am I talking about?Only Oleg has powers to change this.Sue him!


I know,I know,Oleg is a nazi. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Monty_Thrud
07-24-2005, 03:28 AM
-The IX is one of the most dangerous planes because of its e-rentation and hanging on the prop-syndrom..


Bowl-locks

Kocur_
07-24-2005, 03:44 AM
Purely on technical issue:

Grey_Mouser67 Posted Sat July 23 2005 20:39

"(...)these are approximations but 3 .50's are about one hispano plus a little higher rate of fire."

Basing on:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

M2:
800/60=13.3 x 0,043=0,57kg

British Hispano Mk.II
600/60=10 x 0,130=1,3

1,3/0,57=2,28

So set of three .50's is more powerful than one 20mm cannon? So it seems if we take under consideration weight of projectiles fired in a given time, a second here. Thats about kinetic energy. But 20mm cannons have explosive projectiles...:

"damage" is a measure containing kinetic plus chemical energy of projectile derived from relative mass of explosive/incediary material:

.50 (12,7mm x 99 BMG) API=46
20mm x 110 Hispano HE=201
,so:
M2:
800/60=13.3 x 46=612

British Hispano Mk.II
600/60=10 x 201=2010

3 x M2=3 x 612=1836
1 x BH Mk.II=2010

2010/612=3,28

so one 20mm Hispano = ~3,3 M2

But the method of adding to kinetic energy of projectile estimation based on relative mass of explosive/incendiary materiel is much too simplified, as it does not include different parameters of those materiels. 10g of incendiary surely is less destructive than 10g of explosive.
Results of thorough calculation of explosive/incendiary materiel potential chemical energy thus destructive power were put in relation to effectiveness of .50 API, thus:
.50 API=1
20mm x 110 Hispano HE=4,86
(btw: MG151/20 HE=2,31, but Minengeshoss=6,53!)

so:

M2:
800/60=13.3 x 1=13,3

British Hispano Mk.II
600/60=10 x 4,86=48,6

3 x M2=3 x 13,3=40
1 x BH Mk.II=48,6

48,6/13,3=3,6

so one 20mm Hispano = ~3,6 M2

In conclusion: as the last method of calculating destructive power is most accurate, the 3,6 figure should be taken under consideration. Its not definitive though because its all based on assumption that belts are filled ONLY with .50 API/20mm HE. Its not true. Seems to me that 20mm HE were more common in Hispano belts (like 3HE/1AP) than API in M2 belts. Correct me if im wrong. So to equal effectiveness of one 20mm Hispano it takes at least 3,6 of .50 M2's and possibly more.

JG53Frankyboy
07-24-2005, 03:46 AM
La-7 3xBr20 , Yak-9UT , Yak-3P ??????????

last time i looked in the game they still were Allied - and **** good !

JG5_UnKle
07-24-2005, 03:57 AM
It's because we have better uniforms and paint jobs, haven't you guys figured that out yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-24-2005, 03:59 AM
LW planes WERE very good right up to the end of the war. The problem is, the disadvantages the LW suffered are not replicated on the servers. Lack of fuel, faulty parts, inexperienced LW pilots, the greater numbers of Allied etc, etc...

The servers are really very unrealistic in this regard.

JG5_UnKle
07-24-2005, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
LW planes WERE very good right up to the end of the war. The problem is, the disadvantages the LW suffered are not replicated on the servers. Lack of fuel, faulty parts, inexperienced LW pilots, the greater numbers of Allied etc, etc...

The servers are really very unrealistic in this regard.

Yes, just like the Russian aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
, crappy workmanship etc isn't modelled - but this would be pretty tricky I'm sure

But seriously, how can anyone complain about free aircraft? I mean come on. Now I'm whiner-whining!

NorrisMcWhirter
07-24-2005, 04:19 AM
LW were outnumbered at the end of the war? Nonsense! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

According to some posters here, the LW had a full compliment of highly experienced pilots and top line aircraft right up to the end and it's only because they (and their aircraft) came up against 'the master race++' that they were finally defeated.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

alert_1
07-24-2005, 05:06 AM
LW planes WERE very good right up to the end of the war. The problem is, the disadvantages the LW suffered are not replicated on the servers. Lack of fuel, faulty parts, inexperienced LW pilots, the greater numbers of Allied etc, etc...

Disagree. Inexperienced LW pilots ARE replicated on servers. At least when ME is online...
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Skalgrim
07-24-2005, 05:25 AM
seem oleg is right, he means american are strongest whinners


Originally posted by fordfan25:
im sick of it. why does blue get all there super late war fantasy fighters and the US flyers dont. there were more bearcats,f4u-4,p47N/M and even p51H's made than ki84C,TA152 ect. why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact...................

BigganD
07-24-2005, 05:32 AM
Stop playing on does fantasy laggy servers! and the 50cal will rock! In the 3.04 you needed just spray on a FW190 now aim at the wings. But some times if you spray you may kill the pilot or destroy some controls. Spraying a 109 with out aiming so good will make him mostly smoke or pilot kill. IF you want the ultimate damage on a FW190, sneak up to a close distance you can aim on one wing hold the trigger = FW is out. STOP PLAYING ON LAGGY SERVERS!!
P51 owns at 6000+
P51 owns Dora!
P51 suc*s at servers with laggy people!! 50cal are nothing there!!!

joeap
07-24-2005, 05:37 AM
Oh you guys got suckered. Hook line and sinker.

Siwarrior
07-24-2005, 05:40 AM
in time FordFan we will whip blues skinny butts , in time my friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

karost
07-24-2005, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Siwarrior:
in time FordFan we will whip blues skinny butts , in time my friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I think All Red friends already did that for last two years when they have a batter guns and easy learning curve ,same time blue friends suffer for weak gun and hard learning curve for shooting ...

now is blue time... with new gun but same guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and .50 seem little weak

don't worry some blue friends will joy to red side , coz they don't like easy kill ... now red side look more challenging http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


S!

XyZspineZyX
07-24-2005, 06:07 AM
And I wonder how many people fly japanese fighters on multiplayer servers (apart from the KI 84)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Feathered_IV
07-24-2005, 06:29 AM
God forbid IJ fighters meet the late war US fighters on equal terms.

JG5_UnKle
07-24-2005, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
God forbid IJ fighters meet the late war US fighters on equal terms.

Yes the forum would probably implode into a singularity http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BSS_CUDA
07-24-2005, 06:34 AM
I know this is a troll thread but I'm gonna respond anyways,
I dont think any allied plane is out modeled by any LW plane. I think the problem is very few V-pilots learn their aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif they are constantly hopping from 1 plane to the other trying for the easiest kill, they never take to time to learn the true strengths of any single plane and then get killed more, thats probably why the LW has a better K/D ratio than all allied aircraft, that and those dang 108's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif they have in effect the 109 + 190 and the learning curve for each variant cannot be that big, unlike all the different allied aircraft where each one of them fly's differently.
If more ppl would choose an aircraft and learn it they would fair MUCH better online. I have very seldom flown LW aircraft, but I know their strength's and weaknesses compared to my 38. I know that any 190 I face will be at a disadvantage against my 38 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, I know I can out turn any K in the game, I know I can out run a G2 easy, and I know I'm an even match for all the other 109 variants. I know that over 400 MPH I need to be carefull in the "J" or I can become a lawn dart. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I know that around 480MPH I'll have a hard time getting an accurate shot on anything because I'll be shaking like a son-of-a-gun, I know that with pods on in the "L" I can put a serious hurt on any Luft plane, and that it doesnt effect my handling that much. learn your aircraft ppl and you will live MUCH longer with it

F19_Olli72
07-24-2005, 09:44 AM
Best best best, why doesnt anyone ever ask for cr@ppier rides?

P-26 Peashooter, Curtiss Hawk III's, Ki-10 & -27 Nates, Cr-32, I-152, Henschel 123.

Planes that would take skill to fly and survive in, unlike the 'best' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Hoarmurath
07-24-2005, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
im sick of it. why does blue get all there super late war fantasy fighters and the US flyers dont. there were more bearcats,f4u-4,p47N/M and even p51H's made than ki84C,TA152 ect. why does red have to suffer being out gunned in late war servers. its just a dag nasty fact...................

This is because blue players send bigger christmas gifts to oleg...

(hint : Oleg's wife need a new car!)

nakamura_kenji
07-24-2005, 09:57 AM
i want ki-27 and ki-44(though this was quite good crapy plane^_^)only late war fighter id like j2m raiden

MEGILE
07-24-2005, 11:04 AM
Blue pilots pay Oleg's wages..

fordfan25
07-24-2005, 12:52 PM
ahhhhhh now this is the life. cold beer,good tunes,flouting lazyly down the old river. huuu....!!!! whats that whoooo looks like i got another on the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Udidtoo
07-24-2005, 01:18 PM
Careful now, there's a slot limit on this water.

Chumming with claims either exaggerated or patently false is stictly prohibited.

All fish caught that consistantly alude that the other sides rides are Uber while their own favorites take skill, daring and or who also post their PC specs amd HL status in their sig must be thrown back until their IQ's match their ego's

SeaFireLIV
07-24-2005, 02:14 PM
Well, Warclouds pretty much demonstrates the attitude of most kids on it... `Gimme the plane that kills the most and is easy to fly, and the next, and next and next, I don`t care what it is - I don`t care about learning a plane and getting good!`

Still it`s good for me, I can stick with the Spit now and not always have to fly Blue since blue is always way more than red.

I`d fly the I16 too, but, strangely all the planes seem to be only American or British - where are the Russian crates? Kinda strange on the Russian maps.

AerialTarget
07-24-2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
What? You want Oleg to take the late LW and IJA stuff out?

Nay, good sir! I wish for the One Oh Nine to be given a realistic stall speed and turn radius!

F19_Olli72
07-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
What? You want Oleg to take the late LW and IJA stuff out?

Nay, good sir! I wish for the One Oh Nine to be given a realistic stall speed and turn radius! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, maybe Oleg could make a "special" version without any LW planes at all, for "special" ppl like fordfan. Obviously he is outclassed otherwise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hoarmurath
07-24-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well, Warclouds pretty much demonstrates the attitude of most kids on it... `Gimme the plane that kills the most and is easy to fly, and the next, and next and next, I don`t care what it is - I don`t care about learning a plane and getting good!`

Still it`s good for me, I can stick with the Spit now and not always have to fly Blue since blue is always way more than red.

I`d fly the I16 too, but, strangely all the planes seem to be only American or British - where are the Russian crates? Kinda strange on the Russian maps.

Lol, warcloud planeset is pure BS, tonight i enter, go to red side... there was the P-38J, the P-38L late, but no P-38L.... Beside that it was so laggy that i gave up at the end of the map. Putting yourself in a bf109 six at 200m and have a 5 sec lag isn't very interesting. It seem that i wasn't the only one lagging, leadspitter was here too, and instead of shooting me, he just rammed my plane without even having fired a single shot.

Warcloud is useless to have some fun in a dogfight... Total BS...

x__CRASH__x
07-24-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well, Warclouds pretty much demonstrates the attitude of most kids on it... `Gimme the plane that kills the most and is easy to fly, and the next, and next and next, I don`t care what it is - I don`t care about learning a plane and getting good!`

Still it`s good for me, I can stick with the Spit now and not always have to fly Blue since blue is always way more than red.

I`d fly the I16 too, but, strangely all the planes seem to be only American or British - where are the Russian crates? Kinda strange on the Russian maps.
WarClouds_WF = Western Front. Eastern Front never took off in popularity from what Sparx has told me. The maps are whatever he can use, since there aren't too many WF maps I suppose.

Komet05
07-24-2005, 03:13 PM
The Luft has too many good planes?
The USAF needs better planes?

What? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

The RAF is still stuck in '43! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

OLEG WE NEED SPIT XIV AND TEMPEST + MOSQUITO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-24-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:


Warcloud is useless to have some fun in a dogfight... Total BS...

Completely over the top and wrong. Yes, sometimes there`s lag, but not a lot. Warclouds is `fun` and still very enjoyable, especially if you can get some coop on TS. I have to be fair to warclouds here - it can be good.

x__CRASH__x
07-24-2005, 05:53 PM
WarClouds is great.

nuff said on that

heywooood
07-24-2005, 07:51 PM
after further review fordfan....the bait was sufficient. Nice haul.

x__CRASH__x
07-24-2005, 08:00 PM
You don't have to bait in Ubi. The fish just jump in.

heywooood
07-24-2005, 08:06 PM
...dont you know it...

x__CRASH__x
07-24-2005, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
...dont you know it...
whatever do you mean?

Feathered_IV
07-24-2005, 09:31 PM
Best best best, why doesnt anyone ever ask for cr@ppier rides?

P-26 Peashooter, Curtiss Hawk III's, Ki-10 & -27 Nates, Cr-32, I-152, Henschel 123.



OMG. They are all my most wanted planes.
(Except the P-26) You can keep that butt ugly monster. Replace it with a Dewotine D500 and then I'd be happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

fordfan25
07-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AerialTarget:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
What? You want Oleg to take the late LW and IJA stuff out?

Nay, good sir! I wish for the One Oh Nine to be given a realistic stall speed and turn radius! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, maybe Oleg could make a "special" version without any LW planes at all, for "special" ppl like fordfan. Obviously he is outclassed otherwise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


i just cant keep this fish off the hook. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
07-24-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
after further review fordfan....the bait was sufficient. Nice haul.


you underestamate the POWER of the fordside. "cue heavy breathing"

VW-IceFire
07-24-2005, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Komet05:
The Luft has too many good planes?
The USAF needs better planes?

What? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

The RAF is still stuck in '43! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

OLEG WE NEED SPIT XIV AND TEMPEST + MOSQUITO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
YES! Yes we do!

StellarRat
07-24-2005, 10:45 PM
Blue doesn't get the best planes. Blue gets the best LOW ALTITUDE planes. Give us a reason to fight high and the tables will turn, be sure.

fordfan25
07-24-2005, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by StellarRat:
Blue doesn't get the best planes. Blue gets the best LOW ALTITUDE planes. Give us a reason to fight high and the tables will turn, be sure.

thats true to a point. wed see alot closer matchs if warclouds would have some escort missions. every thing is eather protect land targets or bomb landtargets. be nice to have so AI b17/29s flying set patterns in small groups say 4 planes to a group and maby 4 groups at hight alt. spread out over 4 or 5 grids. blue would have to track them down and killm while red team has to also trak them down but then escort them around. keeping a certen # of them alive for a set time.

but its like i always have said. this game lends it self to german,japo and USSr fighters advanteges than US. most online fights are short range and down low. even when B&Z. mostly all you need to B&Z is 10,000 to 15000ft.but you always end up low eather dog fighting or runing. that and the DM is IMHO BS. i find little deffernce in the amount of damge i can take fro a given wepon type in say a hellcat or a zero. both light up fast and wings snap off. dive rates are also nearly the same for most planes.

Abbuzze
07-25-2005, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:


thats true to a point. wed see alot closer matchs if warclouds would have some escort missions. every thing is eather protect land targets or bomb landtargets. be nice to have so AI b17/29s flying set patterns in small groups say 4 planes to a group and maby 4 groups at hight alt. spread out over 4 or 5 grids. blue would have to track them down and killm while red team has to also trak them down but then escort them around. keeping a certen # of them alive for a set time.

but its like i always have said. this game lends it self to german,japo and USSr fighters advanteges than US. most online fights are short range and down low. even when B&Z. mostly all you need to B&Z is 10,000 to 15000ft.but you always end up low eather dog fighting or runing. that and the DM is IMHO BS. i find little deffernce in the amount of damge i can take fro a given wepon type in say a hellcat or a zero. both light up fast and wings snap off. dive rates are also nearly the same for most planes.

Beside the fact that the late 109s in this game are not representing the latest Versions of them.

Sometimes, but only sometimes I saw groups of four or five B25, covered by spits and P51s. Realy hard job. Without a 30mm in the nose the 109 have to attack the escourt while the FW´s attack the Bomber real fun, but you need someone who fly the 25 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-25-2005, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StellarRat:
Blue doesn't get the best planes. Blue gets the best LOW ALTITUDE planes. Give us a reason to fight high and the tables will turn, be sure.

thats true to a point. wed see alot closer matchs if warclouds would have some escort missions. every thing is eather protect land targets or bomb landtargets. be nice to have so AI b17/29s flying set patterns in small groups say 4 planes to a group and maby 4 groups at hight alt. spread out over 4 or 5 grids. blue would have to track them down and killm while red team has to also trak them down but then escort them around. keeping a certen # of them alive for a set time.

but its like i always have said. this game lends it self to german,japo and USSr fighters advanteges than US. most online fights are short range and down low. even when B&Z. mostly all you need to B&Z is 10,000 to 15000ft.but you always end up low eather dog fighting or runing. that and the DM is IMHO BS. i find little deffernce in the amount of damge i can take fro a given wepon type in say a hellcat or a zero. both light up fast and wings snap off. dive rates are also nearly the same for most planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fly more COOPs !

these dogfightservers, even there are very good ones, are too limited in functions given by the game:
-no Bomberformations (as you said)
-no plane amount restrictions - take in a F4U-1c , few would care a given F4U-1d
-no weapon restriction - MK108 overkill already in 1943 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

PFm shines online only in COOP ! and than its a blast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

perhaps you wanna try VOW2 - there are eastern , western and pacific front in it.
there is a freelancer team for allied flying pilots (sure also for axis http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).
so you have not to be in a squad.
and you even can take part on that event if you joi9n the mission builder team...........

fordfan25
07-25-2005, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StellarRat:
Blue doesn't get the best planes. Blue gets the best LOW ALTITUDE planes. Give us a reason to fight high and the tables will turn, be sure.

thats true to a point. wed see alot closer matchs if warclouds would have some escort missions. every thing is eather protect land targets or bomb landtargets. be nice to have so AI b17/29s flying set patterns in small groups say 4 planes to a group and maby 4 groups at hight alt. spread out over 4 or 5 grids. blue would have to track them down and killm while red team has to also trak them down but then escort them around. keeping a certen # of them alive for a set time.

but its like i always have said. this game lends it self to german,japo and USSr fighters advanteges than US. most online fights are short range and down low. even when B&Z. mostly all you need to B&Z is 10,000 to 15000ft.but you always end up low eather dog fighting or runing. that and the DM is IMHO BS. i find little deffernce in the amount of damge i can take fro a given wepon type in say a hellcat or a zero. both light up fast and wings snap off. dive rates are also nearly the same for most planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fly more COOPs !

these dogfightservers, even there are very good ones, are too limited in functions given by the game:
-no Bomberformations (as you said)
-no plane amount restrictions - take in a F4U-1c , few would care a given F4U-1d
-no weapon restriction - MK108 overkill already in 1943 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

PFm shines online only in COOP ! and than its a blast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

perhaps you wanna try VOW2 - there are eastern , western and pacific front in it.
there is a freelancer team for allied flying pilots (sure also for axis http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).
so you have not to be in a squad.
and you even can take part on that event if you joi9n the mission builder team........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no plane amount restrictions . thats what this game needs the most imo.

fordfan25
07-25-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Abbuzze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:


thats true to a point. wed see alot closer matchs if warclouds would have some escort missions. every thing is eather protect land targets or bomb landtargets. be nice to have so AI b17/29s flying set patterns in small groups say 4 planes to a group and maby 4 groups at hight alt. spread out over 4 or 5 grids. blue would have to track them down and killm while red team has to also trak them down but then escort them around. keeping a certen # of them alive for a set time.

but its like i always have said. this game lends it self to german,japo and USSr fighters advanteges than US. most online fights are short range and down low. even when B&Z. mostly all you need to B&Z is 10,000 to 15000ft.but you always end up low eather dog fighting or runing. that and the DM is IMHO BS. i find little deffernce in the amount of damge i can take fro a given wepon type in say a hellcat or a zero. both light up fast and wings snap off. dive rates are also nearly the same for most planes.

Beside the fact that the late 109s in this game are not representing the latest Versions of them.

Sometimes, but only sometimes I saw groups of four or five B25, covered by spits and P51s. Realy hard job. Without a 30mm in the nose the 109 have to attack the escourt while the FW´s attack the Bomber real fun, but you need someone who fly the 25 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beside the fact that the late 109s in this game are not representing the latest Versions of them.

o cry me a river with you 108 armed K's killing p47's with one hit as the out dive cyrcles around them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
07-25-2005, 01:16 PM
Well, blue might look like they have the better aircraft in this game BUT.... Blue aircraft like the FW-190 require a more skilled pilot to fly them well. while red aircraft tend to fly like a dream. So, a more skilled pilot will likely fly an axis aircraft because he/she feels more comfortable with it. Altough I must admit that the Buffalo series are a handfull to fly in the 4.01 patch.

BSS_CUDA
07-25-2005, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Well, blue might look like they have the better aircraft in this game BUT.... Blue aircraft like the FW-190 require a more skilled pilot to fly them well. while red aircraft tend to fly like a dream. So, a more skilled pilot will likely fly an axis aircraft because he/she feels more comfortable with it. Altough I must admit that the Buffalo series are a handfull to fly in the 4.01 patch.

what a crock of **** try flying the instant spin stall 51, the 109 is the easiest plane in the game to fly right behind the Zero

Aaron_GT
07-25-2005, 03:36 PM
what a crock of **** try flying the instant spin stall 51,

You have to fly the 190 and P51 gently. I am a lousy pilot but rarely stall the P51 these days.

karost
07-26-2005, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Well, blue might look like they have the better aircraft in this game BUT.... Blue aircraft like the FW-190 require a more skilled pilot to fly them well. while red aircraft tend to fly like a dream. So, a more skilled pilot will likely fly an axis aircraft because he/she feels more comfortable with it. Altough I must admit that the Buffalo series are a handfull to fly in the 4.01 patch.

what a crock of **** try flying the instant spin stall 51, the 109 is the easiest plane in the game to fly right behind the Zero </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


BSS_CUDA, the way that Platypus's point is not BF109 but FW-190 , I for myself play this sim/game for a long time still can not master in FW-190 , coz to master FW-190 it not only require a big dicipline but also need a wise decision concerning each specific situation.


IF I stay in P-51 at 5,000 meter and I found 4x109g10 at my 6, 800 meters, I feel there is no problem for me,just manage with a batter speed to extent until their give up and comeback to surprise them in next 5 minute.[ a guys who take P-51 tuning and dancing with BF-109 until breaking a line of stall-decipline deserve to get kill from 109 ] but in same situation I meet a single FW-190 at 2 oclock above me 3,000 meter that is a big problem no matter P-51 can make a big speed ... just pass from "V" pilot in FW-190 can breaking my P-51 in a many pices .... right?

S!

Abbuzze
07-26-2005, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Abbuzze:


Beside the fact that the late 109s in this game are not representing the latest Versions of them.

o cry me a river with you 108 armed K's killing p47's with one hit as the out dive cyrcles around them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Question/Thread topic: "why does blue get all the best planes"

My answer: They are neither the best planes nor the latest versions.

Thats all, if you want complain/whine about the 30mm mortar you should open another thread! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif