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fordfan25
04-04-2005, 08:52 PM
im useing now a cyborg eveo with a twist handle for rudder. one of the bigst problems i have is useing the rudder while aiming. my plane tends to ..wobble back and forth when i use it. would peddles be very much help do you think or for the most part is my twist handdle all i realy need. keep in mind 100 bucks is a heck of a lot of cash for me and i whould want it to give me "with pratice ofcourse" a lot better results and fine controle of better gunnery skills.

fordfan25
04-04-2005, 08:52 PM
im useing now a cyborg eveo with a twist handle for rudder. one of the bigst problems i have is useing the rudder while aiming. my plane tends to ..wobble back and forth when i use it. would peddles be very much help do you think or for the most part is my twist handdle all i realy need. keep in mind 100 bucks is a heck of a lot of cash for me and i whould want it to give me "with pratice ofcourse" a lot better results and fine controle of better gunnery skills.

horseback
04-04-2005, 09:04 PM
All I can say is that I found it superior to the twist rudder almost immediately. I started with the CH pro Pedals to go with my trusty M$ Precision Pro Sidewinder 2, and soon graduated to a full CH Products HOTAS setup. Rudder pedals are much more intuitive than a twist stick.

Believe me, it's worth the cash if you spend more than 2 or 3 hours a week on this sim.

cheers

horseback

Stiglr
04-04-2005, 09:11 PM
Answer: immensely. About 70% as much as your stick. I really think it's that vital.

Wean yourself OFF the twisty toys if at all possible. Rudders were meant to be operated independent of the hands/wrists.

fordfan25
04-04-2005, 10:01 PM
ok would i still be able to use this stick or any other stick with a twist handle? also could you guys recomend some that are under or at the most just a tad over 100bucks? some that could be found in the US or orderd from newegg.

Wilburnator
04-04-2005, 10:15 PM
With a twist stick, you generally have alot of unintended rudder input that has an adverse affect on aim. Rudder pedals might take a flight or two to get used to, but my guess is your gunnery would improve a great deal. Mine did. I find it much easier to put the target reticle where I want it with pedals.

You can use pretty much any combination of controllers you want, if you have a twist stick just don't assign rudder control to the twist funtion in the hotas setup, assign the pedals. Also, at least with CH pedals, you get two additional axis (s)? to assign, because each pedal rocks for toe brakes, and even though IL2 doesn't support individual toe brakes, these come in very handy. They also make dandy racing pedals, much better than the ones that come with many steering wheel setups.

LEXX_Luthor
04-04-2005, 10:59 PM
I herad CH pedals are like 90$ if so czech em out.

I have 40$ Logitech Formula GP racing wheel and pedals. Works great. Pedals plug into racing wheel with long phone cord and wheel plugs into USB port in computer. Just lay wheel upside down on the floor, out of the way, so it won't roll around. No software included--plug and play (after fixing how your joystick gets bumped to another USB device. No force~feedback needed, save from getting the 60$ FF wheel/pedals.

But again, that CHPro may be a good idea if it can be had for 90$.

you want the Pedals?
after all this twisting, I feel I Deserve the Pedals.
you can't handle the Pedals.

btw....leaky PATCH 4.0 Beta Testers at teh sinhq say New FM needs the Pedals.

fordfan25
04-04-2005, 11:05 PM
thx LL ....why do every one be makn fun of ol fords sigy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif . lol. man speaking of 4.0 ....man i cant wait. Oleg get your shizzle to gather ...stop playing CFS3 for 5 min and geter done. LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
04-04-2005, 11:08 PM
O yea and would i be able to keep useing my evo? cant drop money on a stick to. the ford B needn his gas money for the old truck it is a -4 gas HOG after all. heheheh ....sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Riper-Snifle
04-04-2005, 11:44 PM
I have a separate question that ties into this thread. I have a joystick and rudder pedals set up. I have played online and found that some guys pull some great manuevers on me. This is mostly due to skill, but I was wondering .... Can the twist stick actually beat the stick and rudder combination? The rudder pedals make a significant difference I find in general flight, but I can't believe everyone I play online has them and I am wondering if the twist stick somehow "cheats" (and I use that word lightly) flying principles to a players advantage? All input is welcome THANK YOU!

LEXX_Luthor
04-05-2005, 12:40 AM
fordfan
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=127;t=001865

JG54_Arnie
04-05-2005, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Riper-Snifle:
I have a separate question that ties into this thread. I have a joystick and rudder pedals set up. I have played online and found that some guys pull some great manuevers on me. This is mostly due to skill, but I was wondering .... Can the twist stick actually beat the stick and rudder combination? The rudder pedals make a significant difference I find in general flight, but I can't believe everyone I play online has them and I am wondering if the twist stick somehow "cheats" (and I use that word lightly) flying principles to a players advantage? All input is welcome THANK YOU! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Eh, you mean that the twist stick flyers would have an advantage? How so?

I use rudder pedals of my Logitech wingman, and its a great addition to flying this simgame! Makes it soo much better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Wilburnator
04-05-2005, 01:15 AM
Fordfan- If your stick works with IL2 FB, it will work with CH pedals, or any other ones that were suggested here. FB supports multiple controllers, not sure how many, but I believe as many as four. I am using three controllers now myself.

The one issue I can see you having is remembering to use your feet to yaw when you are still using a twisty stick. I had a Microsoft PP2 twisty stick when I got my pedals initially. Just the fact that you're used to twisting for yaw, and you're holding a stick that twists makes for a little initial confusion. You'll get over it, though.

Riper-Snifle
04-05-2005, 02:20 AM
Eh, you mean that the twist stick flyers would have an advantage? How so?

I use rudder pedals of my Logitech wingman, and its a great addition to flying this simgame! Makes it soo much better.


I have rudder peddals for my computer as well, which I said in my post. I see how rudder pedals can increase the flight experience which I see in regular flight activities. The issue is interaction with individuals that don't have rudder pedals only twist stick joysticks. Is there an advantage in flight simulator games to twist stick joysticks OVER joysticks with rudder pedals?? Am I better off just flying in combat with my twist stick joystick instead of using my rudder pedals in tandem. (I enjoy my rudder pedals emmensely for their realism but for competition should I stick to twist stick joystcik only).

JG54_Arnie
04-05-2005, 03:18 AM
Ok, well what advantage would twisters have? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I dont see any. Because of the pedals I can aim a lot easier and make moves more precise because there is more control as to how much rudder is used.
Wouldnt it be the other way around? That people using pedals have an advantage? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif As it should be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stansdds
04-05-2005, 04:16 AM
Rudder pedals allow for fine rudder movements with no aileron or elevator movement. When you twist a twisty stick, you may inadvertently get some unwanted aileron and/or elevator movement as well. No twisty sticks for me, CH Fighter Stick and CH Rudder pedals only!

anasteksi
04-05-2005, 05:53 AM
im building pedals myself cause new pedals are so god **** expensive. ive got twist axis in my joystick (logitech force 3d) which can be removed and use at pedals. ive got only plans now but i will start build them soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Vigilanty
04-05-2005, 09:11 AM
Another thing about CH Pro pedals - they last forever. Only complaint I ever has was that they tend to slide, but I fixed that soon enough by making a cradle from some L-brackets screwed to a thick sheet of plexiglass. The plexiglass snugs up against the wall, stopping the sliding without damaging the controller cable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dexmeister
04-05-2005, 11:00 AM
For me, I found rudder pedals made things more challenging for me, but I definitely prefer them. One nice feature of having pedals and a twisty stick is that you can modify your controller options in a way that the twisty stick is for precision (ie fine tuning) while the pedals are a little less sensitive and used more for controlling the plane in normal flight. Not sure if that makes sense but that's how I used to have things set up.

If you have a racing wheel, give those pedals a go! I used Logitech racing pedals for a long time and finally decided to get CH pedals just because... well you know how it goes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FoolTrottel
04-05-2005, 11:06 AM
Build one yerself!
It can be done!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1a.jpg

CRSutton
04-05-2005, 11:37 AM
No real difference in my experience. Use whatever your are comfortable with. I had the pedals and they just caused me back pain. The twisty is fine. Either is fine once you get used to it.

depalmer
04-05-2005, 12:14 PM
I use the evo also, first try Downloading Deadbander from Saitek's website it helps stop unwanted rudder movement when using the elevator or allerons. Please Note: The DeadBander will only work on Windows XP and is USB port specific (i.e. if you plug your device into another USB port you will need to run the module again and re-set the values).

AH_Moggy
04-06-2005, 07:46 AM
depalmer:

I checked Saitek's site but couldn't find any "deadbander" download. Where is it? (Thanks in advance)

Iron_Hand1
04-06-2005, 08:30 AM
I have had it both ways and I would not go back to using a twisty stick. My pedals are a lot more sensitive and accurate for aiming than the twisty ever was, and my flying has improved tremendously. That being said, if you switch be prepared to relearn some things. It took me a good week to get where I could aim well, and taxiing was just a trip (especially on a carrier)at first.
While the CH products does cost a little more the imput sensitivity and the craftsmanship make my Hotas and pedals worth every penny.

~S~

depalmer
04-06-2005, 12:32 PM
Try the link off this page
http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=5437

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AH_Moggy:
depalmer:

I checked Saitek's site but couldn't find any "deadbander" download. Where is it? (Thanks in advance) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stiglr
04-06-2005, 09:37 PM
I once went to a flight sim con (and didn't bring my rig with me), and tried to "borrow" somebody else's setup that had a twisty stick.

I sucked SO bad... I naturally torque the stick a bit when I fly, and add a little body language besides. No way I can just move the stick back and forth or to the sides and introduce *no* torque.

So, naturally, since I fly with the stick to my right, I "dialed in" a bunch of left rudder all the time; I couldn't even fly in a straight line. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I gave up at least 50% effectiveness, seeing as I flew with maximum attitude drag, terrible aim, etc.

Frankly, I don't know how people DO IT with twisties, and I know some guys that are good that use 'em.

I don't think they have any inherent advantage, but I suppose one could get used to it. But not me...

Bearcat99
04-07-2005, 05:31 AM
IMO the immersion factor alone is worth it.