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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 02:19 AM
what is with this game...i have flow many flight/combat sim's...but nothing like this. example i back down power for a landing approach (50%)...aproach does not look good so i go to full power and pull up on the stick....and nothing just keep looseing altitude and crash. Even in a mission its like there is a ceiling limit well below any planes capability...can any body tell me what is going on....or is every single mission an over burdened bomber that can't get out of it's own way. Is there a dump all ordenence command?????? Thanks in advance

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 02:19 AM
what is with this game...i have flow many flight/combat sim's...but nothing like this. example i back down power for a landing approach (50%)...aproach does not look good so i go to full power and pull up on the stick....and nothing just keep looseing altitude and crash. Even in a mission its like there is a ceiling limit well below any planes capability...can any body tell me what is going on....or is every single mission an over burdened bomber that can't get out of it's own way. Is there a dump all ordenence command?????? Thanks in advance

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 02:58 AM
~S! Fastfreddie, its hard to give you specific suggestions since your comment is general in nature.

50Pct power somewhere in landing pattern maybe be correct for some aircraft in this sim, others no, depending a number of factors.

Let me say that generally, though since the aircraft flight models presented in IL-2 are several generations ahead of some of the more popular names out there, it sounds like you are stalling the aircraft.

Pulling back on the stick will do it, especially if you have already slowed to a final approach speed. ( stall i mean)

If you will read up on some these machines and fly them at speeds that are correct for the particular evolution, whether its straight and level, climbing, landing etc, you'll really begin to enjoy the sim.

There are many experienced sim pilots in this forum who are happy to help.

All the best

Jinx

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:06 AM
fasteddie6714 wrote:
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- what is with this game...i have flow many
- flight/combat sim's...but nothing like this.
- example i back down power for a landing approach
- (50%)...aproach does not look good so i go to full
- power and pull up on the stick....and nothing just
- keep looseing altitude and crash.

Don't pull on the stick until you've got airspeed back. Go to full power, let the aircraft settle into stable flight, gear up, let speed build, then climb out, but gently. You don't need a lot of altitude anyway, you're only doing a circuit.

- Even in a mission
- its like there is a ceiling limit well below any
- planes capability...can any body tell me what is
- going on....or is every single mission an over
- burdened bomber that can't get out of it's own way.

Fighting aircraft are much heavier than general aviation aircraft. Consquently there is quite a lot of drag due high angle of attack at low airspeeds. If you're at low speed, you can expect acceleration to be poor. Best acceleration in level flight will be somewhere around 300-350km/h for most aircraft, a little slower in the IL2, Pz.11 and I-16.


- Is there a dump all ordenence command??????

No.


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:55 AM
Tell us what plane you're flying, what airspeed you were/are trying to land at, the position of your flaps, etc.

I recall not long ago when I bought the game that I couldn't seem to even get the dang IL2 off the ground and it took forever just to get a tiny bit of altitude.

Turns out it was just my lack of knowledge about that particular plane, which proved out the first time I tried to take off in the Bf109....where I pulled back on the stick and ended up skidding down the runway on my lid.

After years of flying A10CUBA! and Hornet Korea I had to toss almost all my knowledge out and start over.

Keep at it.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 04:08 AM
I prefer to dump most of my energy before I make my final approach. Make sure you have deployed full flaps and keep 100% power (ful flaps and full power works for me everytime).

Now pick a point on the runway and aim for it and dont deviate from it too much.

Touch the wheels down (kiss em down) carefully and then throttle back. Dab the brakes and thats that. Practise offline untill it becomes second nature.

As too bombers? Well work on altitude while not heading right for the enemy base. Fly in the wrong direction untill you have the altitude you want then use the clouds as a blanket.

fasteddie6714 wrote:
-
- what is with this game...i have flow many
- flight/combat sim's...but nothing like this.
- example i back down power for a landing approach
- (50%)...aproach does not look good so i go to full
- power and pull up on the stick....and nothing just
- keep looseing altitude and crash. Even in a mission
- its like there is a ceiling limit well below any
- planes capability...can any body tell me what is
- going on....or is every single mission an over
- burdened bomber that can't get out of it's own way.
- Is there a dump all ordenence command?????? Thanks
- in advance
-
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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 04:13 AM
not sure what you are flying

but a g2 dirty, full flap and gear out, but NO ordinance, needs about 40 - 50 % throttle to hold safe rate of descent, i doubt with a bomb on board it would have a hope of climbing in landing configuration even with WEP

I am no expert but .. i normally land a 109 starting at 40% throttle and 160-170 kph one stage flap moving going to full flap, gear down and dropping to 150kph over threshold still 40% throttle, I usually flare and touch down with about 10% throttle on cutting throttel as wheels hit.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 07:36 AM
Maybe I'm just lazy, but I don't even worry about throttle when landing. I just cut it to 0, full flaps, and deadstick it. As long as I'm around 160kmh right before I touch down, it goes smoothly.

If I'm 10m off the ground and at the beggining of the runway with 280kmh or less speed and no power, full flaps, I can land and come to a full stop before the end of the runway. I pretty much keep approach speed 250 to 200. Gives me a safe bit of extra speed in case I need to correct a bit on a deadstick landing.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2002, 02:41 AM
actually you can kill all throttle when approaching and glide it in and slowly let it down holding the brake down....works for me.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2002, 03:45 AM
deadstick is just harder cos your rate and angle of descent are higher than a powered landing so the flare is more pronounced

i prefer to slow down earlier and cruise in with some power on but each to his own

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2002, 03:50 AM
There is no "set" throttle setting for a landing approach.

It all depends on the steepness of your glide path. I usually use full (landing) flaps, and usually a steep approach, so my throttle is often at idle, or close to it, while on final.

The key is to be willing and able to add throttle as you settle in, and flare. You need to make judgements about your speed and rate of descent, and then use the throttle to help out. While I may be on idle for most of my final approach, I usually come up to 40 or 50 percent, and then chop it to idle after flaring, when I'm sure I'll settle in under full control.

If you bounce, add throttle, so that you can settle in better, and not come down hard.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2002, 02:57 PM
On landing aproach I activate full flaps and keep 180km/h.
It works everytime.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 05:47 PM
Hey man I know EXACTLY what your going through, though my main problem at first was even surviving to make landings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But when I did try to come in I almost always crashed, spoiling a great flight all the way at the end. Meanwhile I would see someone who just smoked me coming in at 1000 or so alt, pull a Split S and excecute a perfect landing at the bottom of it, and I swore they had to be cheating. But now unless its a completly unfamiliar aircraft or I'm rushing its no sweat at all; in fact its so routine more often then not i'd rather stay to get more kills outta greed.

But my main point is this; you have to find one plane your mainly succesful in, and keep working at it. WORK, work work. There is a lot of excellant advice and techniques given in this thread alone, but u have to find what works for YOU. The biggest factor to perfecting any technique in this game is PRACTICE. If that means setting up Quick Mission Builder missions just to practice landings, then do it.


Me, I fly normal till I locate runway, then on my way to lining up, cut engines, drop flaps until Im between 300-250, then drop gear and deadstick it until I'm just above ground, then glide as GENTLE as possible until I'm rolling complety on runway. But you've done the best thing to get help by posting here, If U take the time to go through a bunch of pages of posts in this forum, you'd be amazed at all the specific info on this game you'll find, I mean once u sort through some of the sillier gripe and biatch threads

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08-31-2003, 05:49 PM
Cool lets bump the ancient threads for kicks. It sure gave me a hearty laugh/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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