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MA_Moby
11-02-2004, 04:01 AM
Having posted a few negative thngs about PF on this forum, it's time for a positive.

I love the beaufighter. Absolutely smashing! I've no idea what the original flew like, but flying this feels right, very real. It handles somewhat like a light aeroplane when in the cruise etc, but obviously much more power, guns etc The adverse aeloron yaw is noticable, as it the yaw caused by engine torque and gyroscopic precession.

Set the convergence to 400m and anything on the ground is in big trouble.

I love its ability to oull out of a dive with just hairs bredth between the belly and the ground.

The A20 and the B25 are a laugh too. It's good to go strafing and low level bombing in both.

But for me, for now, the Beau has made buying PF worthwhile, even with all its flaws.

http://premium.uploadit.org/MAMoby/beaulow1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/MAMoby/beaulow2.jpg

MA_Moby
11-02-2004, 04:01 AM
Having posted a few negative thngs about PF on this forum, it's time for a positive.

I love the beaufighter. Absolutely smashing! I've no idea what the original flew like, but flying this feels right, very real. It handles somewhat like a light aeroplane when in the cruise etc, but obviously much more power, guns etc The adverse aeloron yaw is noticable, as it the yaw caused by engine torque and gyroscopic precession.

Set the convergence to 400m and anything on the ground is in big trouble.

I love its ability to oull out of a dive with just hairs bredth between the belly and the ground.

The A20 and the B25 are a laugh too. It's good to go strafing and low level bombing in both.

But for me, for now, the Beau has made buying PF worthwhile, even with all its flaws.

http://premium.uploadit.org/MAMoby/beaulow1.jpg

http://premium.uploadit.org/MAMoby/beaulow2.jpg

Philipscdrw
11-02-2004, 04:15 AM
The Beau isn't flawed, it just wasn't completed for v3.00 due to lack of time and CD space. Cockpit lights and damage textures for the cockpit will come in the patch.

I like the new Allied twins. The Beaufighter, A-20, and Mitchell are all great fun to fly in.

Mozzie_21
11-02-2004, 04:38 AM
Jeez, watch you props on the ground there Moby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Could you tell me whether the Beau has the ability to outrun Japanese fighters?

That was the standard action on enemy contact for quite a while and it would be a shame if it wasn't modeled. Such a thing would destroy the point of having a beaufighter.

Athosd
11-02-2004, 04:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mozzie_21:
Jeez, watch you props on the ground there Moby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Could you tell me whether the Beau has the ability to outrun Japanese fighters?

That was the standard action on enemy contact for quite a while and it would be a shame if it wasn't modeled. Such a thing would destroy the point of having a beaufighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Beaufighter can show a clean pair of heals to most Japanese fighters - provided you keep the speed up.
I don't fancy the chances of escaping a determined ki84 driver though.

MA_Moby
11-02-2004, 04:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
The Beau isn't flawed, ....

I like the new Allied twins. The Beaufighter, A-20, and Mitchell are all great fun to fly in. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't say the Beau was flawed, PF is flawed. The Beau is nearly perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes the allied twins are great fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It'd be nice to have some flyable Imperial Japanese twins in there too. The G4M1, the G3M2, and the Ki21 maybe! There are tonnes of Japanese twins to chose from.

KG26_Alpha
11-02-2004, 04:58 AM
The Beaufighters a great plane at the moment.... wait till the first patch comes along though.....porking time...

WTE_Chunder
11-02-2004, 04:59 AM
I like it to an extent.... I can't view the 6 however from the observers seat... and well, observing your 6 from the cockpit in it is impossible... so if i'm missing something there, wouldn't mind someone telling me on how to use is, otherwise, apart from the co pilot in other planes, it is the only plane with a useless position filled in with something you can't use

Cragger
11-02-2004, 05:27 AM
The Beu's 4 20mms in the nose are nice coupled with 8 HVARs. But the A-20 is more my cup of tea. 4 .50s packed right next to each other and Very good handling for a twin.

Aaron_GT
11-02-2004, 05:30 AM
Cragger, the Beaufighter we have has 4 20mm cannon in the nose, 2 .50s in each wing. The A20G has 6 (not 4) .50s in the nose.

Cragger
11-02-2004, 06:02 AM
I noticed, I like the A-20G even better now. Although if anyone hasn't noticed the Beu is apparently lacking collision detection for its wings and engines, only the props and fuselage collide. I can stick the wing clean into the ground and recover.

3.JG51_BigBear
11-02-2004, 06:04 AM
I think its a beautiful bird and it is fun to fly but I think we have to be honest with ourselves and realize its way too good. I don't have any hard and fast data but it does outturn a FW 190 online so I'd have to say something is porked. I know this might get me flamed by a bunch of guys who have a story of how one time a beaufighter and a fw 190 came together and then this happened and then that happened...Whatever, these FMs are getting so cartoon its amazing.

Philipscdrw
11-02-2004, 06:08 AM
saying 'the Beaufighter outturns the Fw-190' without any evidence or consideration of energy states is an easy way to get branded a whiner on these boards, bigbare.

3.JG51_BigBear
11-02-2004, 06:34 AM
We were at 750M. Each traveling at 400KM/h when the fight started. The FW was carrying a 50% fuel load and the Beau was carrying a 25% load. It was a sustained turn in which each aircraft had their radiators closed and was at full throttle on the engines. And if people want to call me a whiner fine. I am a whiner, I paid $40 bucks for this POS and I feel totally ripped off. I've been playing this game since the day IL2 firts hit the shelves three years ago and I have never ever been this disappointed in the product.

Kurfurst__
11-02-2004, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I think its a beautiful bird and it is fun to fly but I think we have to be honest with ourselves and realize its way too good. I don't have any hard and fast data but it does outturn a FW 190 online so I'd have to say something is porked. I know this might get me flamed by a bunch of guys who have a story of how one time a beaufighter and a fw 190 came together and then this happened and then that happened...Whatever, these FMs are getting so cartoon its amazing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I dont know for sure, but it is not always right to assume that a twin engined one has large turning circle. Often it has not, the Bf 110 is also a rather tight turning aircraft, as opposed to the common myth and expectations. They often have comparable wingloading to s-e fighters... Where these twin engined ones fail is the lack of good power to weight ratio, and larger drag, which results they run out of juice fairly quickly in turns, and their sustainable turn rate drops. In real life, they were also often limited by relatively higher stickforces than experienced on s-e fighters, because of the larger dimensions.

But I did not check the Beus specs in detail.. I know its a rather slow aircraft, so it could be a good turner. It rolls awfully slow though, cant climb, so in a REAL manouvering fight it IS a piece of cake to beat. As well I tend to think the poor stall characteristics of the FW 190s are way overstated..

Tallyho1961
11-02-2004, 07:16 AM
I also love the Beaufighter and I have two questions based on comments above: Are you able to cycle into the second crew position? I am unable to do so. I realize that he is unarmed, as such does anybody know what his role was?

MEGILE
11-02-2004, 07:23 AM
The Beuafighter rocks. Be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

berg417448
11-02-2004, 07:25 AM
Radio operator.

Radar operator on night fighter versions...he also got the task of reloading the cannon on those night fighters according to the book "Night Fighter".

Philipscdrw
11-02-2004, 07:33 AM
Was he a navigator as well?

What was the Beau designed to do? Was it meant as an escort, like the Bf110, or as a heavy fighter, or as a bomber interceptor? If its design rolé includes long range flight, then a navigator is probably necessary.

berg417448
11-02-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Was he a navigator as well?

What was the Beau designed to do? Was it meant as an escort, like the Bf110, or as a heavy fighter, or as a bomber interceptor? If its design rolé includes long range flight, then a navigator is probably necessary. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


He may have been a navigator as well...but I am not sure. The Beaufighter was derived from the Beaufort. As far as I know it was originally intended to be a heavy fighter or attack aircraft.

RocketDog
11-02-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
We were at 750M. Each traveling at 400KM/h when the fight started. The FW was carrying a 50% fuel load and the Beau was carrying a 25% load. It was a sustained turn in which each aircraft had their radiators closed and was at full throttle on the engines. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you assume a Beaufighter couldn't out-turn a Fw-190? WWII fighters were generally fast but the ability to turn tightly became increasingly secondary to speed and (for interceptors) rate of climb as the war progressed. I don't know the reality of the situation, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that an aircraft like the Beaufighter, with a thick wing section, could hold a tighter turn than an energy-fighter like the Fw.

Regards,

RocketDog.

LEXX_Luthor
11-02-2004, 08:07 AM
Might make passable Flyable Hs~129 for Easter Front, with some player self~restrictions like flaps on combat and power restrictions, like the Desperate used Yak~1 as Spit~1 before the AEP. Then you could join AI formations of Hs~129.

I think they are still modding Hs~129 cockpit over at netwing.

MA_Moby
11-02-2004, 08:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
What was the Beau designed to do? Was it meant as an escort, like the Bf110, or as a heavy fighter, or as a bomber interceptor? If its design rolé includes long range flight, then a navigator is probably necessary. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It started off as a long range heavy fighter, for both day and night use: the Beaufighter ultimately became a fighter bomber, torpedo bomber, and ground attack and anti-shipping aircraft. In all these roles it showed itself to be extremely effective and deadly. (quote from my trusty 'World Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft', Angelucci, 1981)

I believe the 2nd crew member served as a nav, an R/O, and as an observer.

WTE_Chunder
11-03-2004, 04:04 AM
Yeah, but you can't use the bloody observers seat for observing your 6.... which kind of sucks! Especially when you can only see 180 degrees in front of you... and you know that in all the other planes the positions are operable...

Saburo_0
11-03-2004, 08:33 AM
Wingloading :
http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/146120/8330/a0.htm

MA_Moby
11-03-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Chunder:
Yeah, but you can't use the bloody observers seat for observing your 6.... which kind of sucks! Especially when you can only see 180 degrees in front of you... and you know that in all the other planes the positions are operable... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

would be nice for sure

buffscrum
11-03-2004, 10:18 AM
The Beau was the first plane I hopped into in QMB when I got the game last night. Absolutely loved it. I spent 30 mins blowing things up on the Okinawa (I think) map. I don't know how realistic it may be, but it sure is a blast to fly!