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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 09:57 AM
... I am not meaning to whine, but I had a negativ experiance in an online fight the other night. I have stutters and pauses as many other fliers and it comes and goes, sometimes real bad sometimes not so bad. During this particular online fight some other flier accused me of cheating because I (as he said), 'warped' when I was in front of him..... As it is I have never cheated in any sport or game before in my entire life and therefore felt very bad that someone thought that of me....

Is there a possibility to prove that you are not cheating or shall I just ignore it? I stopped to play and disconnected because the fun was gone.

Any advice out there for me?

...... /Spook

PS He said he could tell by my ping that I was cheating? - That proves to me that you cannot use ping to tell that someone is cheating! DS

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 09:57 AM
... I am not meaning to whine, but I had a negativ experiance in an online fight the other night. I have stutters and pauses as many other fliers and it comes and goes, sometimes real bad sometimes not so bad. During this particular online fight some other flier accused me of cheating because I (as he said), 'warped' when I was in front of him..... As it is I have never cheated in any sport or game before in my entire life and therefore felt very bad that someone thought that of me....

Is there a possibility to prove that you are not cheating or shall I just ignore it? I stopped to play and disconnected because the fun was gone.

Any advice out there for me?

...... /Spook

PS He said he could tell by my ping that I was cheating? - That proves to me that you cannot use ping to tell that someone is cheating! DS

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 10:29 AM
It happens to us all sooner or later,dont worry about it.

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fluke39
07-05-2003, 10:44 AM
I was accused of cheating yesterday (and a couple of times in the past)
as one of the few things that really ticks me off is being falsely accused of things -i have had to learn to restrain myself from kicking off every time this happens - and restrict myself to attempted explanations -
the problem is made worse by the use of the 'Cheating has been detected' message which is bad wording and basically means - 'lag has been detected' it seems hardly anyone is aware of this on ubi.com or aware of how planes seem to UFO about when lag occurs.
what makes things even worse is when you attempt to educate people about this they seem to think your'e cheating for some reason.
saying this i know lag can sometimes be intentionally induced and i have played several games when lag seems to occur convieniently when an enemy plane comes into my sights - but whether this is cheating or not it is impossible to tell for certain.


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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 10:55 AM
yep it lag basically your pc sends info to the hosts pc that updates the relationship of all the planes in the air and then returns the info to your pc and updates that, this is what the ping is, its the speed it is doing this.

Now if you are flying and have some people with a slow connection ie a big ping number playing as well, their info takes a lot longer to get to the hosts pc and back, and this corrects its position by moving it quickly to its new correct point in space therefore when your pc updates at its normal speed, the lower ping aircraft will appear to zoom across the world to the updated point on the hosts pc for that aircraft, it can go through hills as well etc as the pc uses the shortest route, this then triggers the message as the game picks it up and posts the cheating detected wording when as said above it should be lag detected.

similar you sometimes get a plane that climbs like the space shuttle of flies along the earth with a wing sticking up etc, this is a player has detected and the host pc no longer has a reference for it.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 11:10 AM
This is one thing that really puts me off from flying online... even after unpgrading my internet connection and gaving a ping of under 30ms I still have planes warping. SO it may not be on my end but if the host PC is not fast enough or other players PC or connection or combinations of all... and you get warp.

I sometimes also feel like those who warp are causing it on purpose but there's no way or proving it so or otherwose so in the end I just get shi**y and leave the game is it's not playable this way.

Can't really do much about it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 11:30 AM
smile ,u no your not ,play for fun ,hes not

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 11:52 AM
Next time you get accused of cheating, type to him "Boogety Boogety Boogety", then hit your printscreen button, then hit your quickrecord button a whole bunch of times while throwing on some wingtip smoke, and then fly over to their base an start vulching everyone.



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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 12:51 PM
Just take it with humor.There is a cheat,but vey few use it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:14 PM
it gets bad for everyone when ppl spawn as well as its a big packet of info that has to be sent .... i can handel warping ,,,, youll never stop it thats the nature of the internet
if it puts you off playing this game online itll put you off a LOT more games online
what gets me is screen freezes which are mainly caused at your end , ie you computer is having a hard time running FB online ...
not all screen freezes are your PCs fault but when they happen , & your a smoking heap of rubble at the end of it , well i get a little frustrated by those ..... & they happen at uber critical moments too

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:22 PM
My problem is that my ping to most servers is about 700-800, we only have a satelite connection from here, Greenland, so to avoid strange manouvers and combat I usually only fly air/gruond aircrafts going for the ground targets, they don't move...

Tully__
07-05-2003, 03:31 PM
Ignore it. There is nothing you can do if the other chap's mind is so poisoned with suspicion that he can't resist the urge to jump to the most paranoid conclusion.

There are many causes of warping. Among them are:

- Your connection
- The hosts connection
- The other player's connection
- Your PC
- The hosts PC
- The other player's PC
- The internet is suffering from heavy traffic, either at a node close to you, the host or the other player, or on really busy days, all over.
- External interference somewhere near one of the 3 machines directly involved (cell phone or cordless phone turned on and active next to a dial up modem will do it).


On a server that is close to the edge of warp, the time you (or any other) player is most likely to see momentary losses in connection is the time when you're making the most dramatic manouvers while close to another aircraft (IE in combat when you're about to shoot). When the other aircraft is not manouvering, it wont be noticeable if a few updates go missing, as your PC's prediction of where the target is moving to will match where it turns out to be when you do get an update. It's when those positions don't match that you see the target warp to its "real" position.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 04:10 PM
The whole lag=cheating thing makes me feel dirty every time I hit PrintScreen. DAMN YOU LAG! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL!

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 04:29 PM
I feel for ya jjmoric,

I'm in a rural section of NY, USA and can only get dialup or satellite. I thought about satelitte, but decided dialup was better for gaming. I usually have 250-350 pings, depending on server location and quality.

To those of you lagfree, It stinks on the end of us laggers too. I'm sure 99% of people don't lag intentionally. The best fix for host is to have an autokick set at a specific ping, say 500. There are some good games I'd like to join that have this function enabled. Sometimes I'm good to play and on other days I get atuokicked. I understand. No Big Deal.

I know I don't lag intentionally, if the other guy thinks so...Well, I just don't care.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 04:59 PM
Well rember the other side of the coin here, altho I have no doubt you were not cheating....

People get very frustrated when they finaly after 5 or 10 minuts of stalking & finaly get a chance for a shot...

You dive Line it Up wait wait wait for the perfect shot & BAM ULTRA LAG....WARP.... NO SHOT NO KILL !!!

so you figure a crap internet but when the same thing happens over & over & over on the same target you gotta start wondering & yes the screenshots are timed now but by the time you boom & rezoom theres plenty of time for them to be able to make another screen shot or make a demo

this is just one more reason why servers should have the power to disable all this un-needed stuff For DF servers

Wing tip Smoke
AC Lights
Screen Shots
Making Demos
Network connection (choose speed for all if server)
Skin DL
Minimize the Flack/AAA (Map builder does this)

These are the main problems with Online DF servers

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fluke39
07-05-2003, 08:19 PM
Tully__ wrote:

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- On a server that is close to the edge of warp, the
- time you (or any other) player is most likely to see
- momentary losses in connection is the time when
- you're making the most dramatic manouvers while
- close to another aircraft (IE in combat when you're
- about to shoot).

ahhhhh thank you tully

that explains alot ( but the symptoms are still the same as they would be if someone was cheating unfortunatly)


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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:25 PM
the people causing the cheat warning are actually lagging up the game best solution is to edit the multiplayer in the config.ini change the cheatwarning-1 to 1

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=5.0
nearMaxLagTime=2.0
cheaterWarningDelay=1
cheaterWarningNum=1

^this setup seems to work best with hosting 26 player games and 0 lag or warp, it will boot people with skin dls most of the time too, 56k can play fine in there too but if they have skins enabled it boots anyone who causes 1 cheatwaring

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 12:54 AM
Muddy_Longbow wrote:
- I feel for ya jjmoric,
-
- I'm in a rural section of NY, USA and can only get
- dialup or satellite. I thought about satelitte, but
- decided dialup was better for gaming. I usually have
- 250-350 pings, depending on server location and
- quality.
-
my wingy has the same problem. he cant get dsl or cable, and the phone lines in his area are like 30 years old. the best he connects at is about 20k. he looked into satellite but unfortunatly thats really expensive, sucks for gaming because of upload speeds, and he would only get 4 hours of online time per month.

anywho, i think smokejag posted this a while ago and it works gangbusters:


go into the il-2 sturmovik forgotten battles\i18n folder

with notepad open the file netmessages.properties.

near the top you will see 3 lines starting with user_cheating1,user_cheating2, and user_cheating3.

youll see that in this file {1} is the person thats having the action happen to and {0} is the person doing the action
so if you look down the page youll see {1} has been shot down by {0}

for the user_cheatings though u just need {0}

i changed all 3 of mine to this:

user_cheating1 {0} ****Is Lagging****
user_cheating2 {0} ****Is Lagging****
user_cheating3 {0} ****Is Lagging****

if you do that youll know exactly who is lagging instead of getting "cheating has been detected"

my wingy has 2 puters each on a seperate phone line. 1 for bc and the other for the game. and i can actually tell him over bc that he lost his internet connection on the game computer before he even knows it.

wont fix the lagging problem but might be usefull, since it will say when your the one lagging.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 01:30 AM
I still don't understand this paranoia about skins. A good skin really makes the game for me. The default skins by and large suck. No Swastica on German planes, Incorrect US markings, everyone looking the same...BORING!

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The_Blue_Devil
07-06-2003, 01:34 AM
La7_Spook22 wrote:
- ... I am not meaning to whine, but I had a negativ
- experiance in an online fight the other night. I
- have stutters and pauses as many other fliers and it
- comes and goes, sometimes real bad sometimes not so
- bad. During this particular online fight some other
- flier accused me of cheating because I (as he said),
- 'warped' when I was in front of him..... As it is I
- have never cheated in any sport or game before in my
- entire life and therefore felt very bad that someone
- thought that of me....
-
- Is there a possibility to prove that you are not
- cheating or shall I just ignore it? I stopped to
- play and disconnected because the fun was gone.
-
- Any advice out there for me?
-
- ...... /Spook
-
-
- PS He said he could tell by my ping that I was
- cheating? - That proves to me that you cannot use
- ping to tell that someone is cheating! DS

He's an idiot Spook that has prolly 2 mins worth of IL2/FB flight time..Ignore em m8. Lag is a fact of life. Someone can have a ping of 55 and warp. It depends as much on their computers speed as it does their net speed.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:53 AM
I've got to agree with you about the skins, i really enjoy, when the site enables it looking at the particular aircraft skins others fly. also pilots individualizing their aircraft is a tradition, isn't it?

do skins really create that much lag?

I fly with noseart and a collection of skins am i being a detriment to the good of the whole?


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:58 AM
the message is there for a reason, its really lagging and changing the text of it means hes lagging up the whole game. 56k users can join and play smooth in the settings i mentioned above

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:04 AM
....
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........... I cannot find the right words in english, but I am so glad that you all have took your time to explain what causes warping and how to look at it from 'the players perspective'. Thanks all of you!
You have helped me overcome the feeling of hurt pride that I felt when it all happened. I was surprised that the feelings were so strong and deep inside me...... Now I would like to buy all you gentlemen a drink......... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


....... ~S~ .......

/Spook

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 11:57 AM
Thats gonna be an expensive round, you may have to sell your PC to pay for it hehehehe.

For all your skinning needs, check out www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com)

heck i even have some on there under TonyT /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 01:02 PM
ElAurens wrote:
- I still don't understand this paranoia about skins.
- A good skin really makes the game for me. The
- default skins by and large suck. No Swastica on
- German planes, Incorrect US markings, everyone
- looking the same...BORING!
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I would like the different skinns too, but aparently they do create lots of lag. And also if u have skindownload on in settings, and your internet connection choise set to higher than isdn.(dsnt effect "your" internet speed but the servers).

Read sammies post about it("help fight the lag and stutters!) on greatergreen.com,I didnt understand it before.
heres the link:

http://www.greatergreen.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3f080d0a1a7bffff;act=SF;f=20

Its the one on top i think /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:59 PM
Hi Spook, I get accused of cheating all the time but it's usually from the other perspective. It's usually because I'm doing the killing rather than being killed. It tends to happen most on HL but it does happen @ Ubi. For example one guy who I won't name here accused me of cheating after I pilot killed him twice in a row. When I asked him how I was cheating he said I was using an aimbot. Once I'd picked myself up off the floor and evetually stopped laughing I asked him if everyone who shoots him down is cheating. It turned out that as I was a "noob" (he'd never encountered me before) I must be cheating cos he'd been playing online for 1 and 1/2 years against my six months and he was in a squad. Obviously there's no point in arguing with this kind of mentality so I don't anymore. I use Ubi more than HL because generally speaking I've found it's a friendlier atmosphere, at HL (again generally speaking) they have a much more over inflated opinion of their abilities and skills and therefor I get accused of cheating more often. It's a shame that instead of recieving a salute for my efforts as in the past (Il2) it seems that "S!" has been replaced with "cheater"