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Tozzifan
04-03-2006, 09:32 AM
I'm newly coming from jetfighters sims and I'm having http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif hard times to bring down bogeys with guns; I'm experiencing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif frustrating moments when, although beeing able to keep a steady firing position (at ~ 200mt), I expend all ammo without getting even a scratch on my target; frustration gets even higher when I see bogeys capable of smashing me head-on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

how should I manage the pipper?
should I get closer to targets?
is there anywhere explained better this topic?

thefruitbat
04-03-2006, 09:44 AM
One of the things that i did when i was learning to shoot was to record the track, then replay it at 1/4 speed, and observe when the rounds were dropping. this will show you whether you are taking enough lead, or if you are aiming to high/low. be aware that different speeds also affect the amount of lead, both your plane and the enemys, and also weapon type. I think also there is a utility on airwarfare called snipers corner that allows you to enter all the diff variables and see where the solution is as well.

then i just practised alot! I really do recommend looking back at your tracks though, from the point of view of the target plane looking back at yours. hope this helps, and i am sure you will get much more advice from people who know more!

edit: i presume since you are trying to shoot at 200m, that you have set your convergance at 200m?

fruitbat

Tozzifan
04-03-2006, 01:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif convergence? I left it at default values .... thanks

Dean3238
04-03-2006, 02:26 PM
convergence? I left it at default values .... thanks

That's OK... default is 200 meters.

Works pretty well for most applications.

Dean

thefruitbat
04-03-2006, 03:22 PM
sorry, but that is wrong, default convergance for a new install is 500m you have to change it to 200m/whatever

VW-IceFire
04-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Indeed...the default convergence is 500m which may be fine if your flying an aircraft with nose mounted guns but not at all for an aircraft with wing mounted guns.

My recommendation to new pilots is to set the convergence at 300 and go from there. Most new pilots fire too soon at too far a distance and its not a good idea to bring them all the way in right away.

As for gunnery...nothing like practice. Coming from jet sims I imagine you've gotten used to automated or gyroscopic gunsights. The only aircraft to have those in the game are the P-51D-20 and the YP-80. The rest are fixed sight (some are projected, some are ring and bead, and some are telescopic with a cover).

So doing things like leading your shots is mostly a manual thing. You have to get a feel for it. The gunsight is going to be aimed at a central point...if you flew straight and level the guns will (with convergence) fly through the center point of the gunsight at convergence and then fall away.

Practice...try some C-47s as unarmed targets and use a variety of methods to get hits on them before you go after fighters doing evasive manuevers.

Airmail109
04-03-2006, 04:10 PM
Its all practice, its a blackart....I dont even use the gunsight in the 109 anymore....I just point the plane....its like a 6th sense now....i just walk the rounds down the fighter...hitting the engine, then the cocpit then the fusalage.

I think the best technique when starting out, is entering neutral lead, following there line of path....when they start to pull Gs, pull lead on them turn inside and fire ahead walking a stream of tracers into them. Thats how i learnt....eventually u just learn where the rounds are going. Follow the flight path....walk the gunsight across the fighter...keep on walking it so ur pulling lead....then let rip. Its a bit like clay pidgeon shooting.

Dont tense up, you have to be dead calm...use smooth fluid motion.

I think im evil because i try to aim for the pilot really.

joeap
04-03-2006, 04:24 PM
"Use the Force Luke" or I guess for you Aimail101, you use the "Dark Side"

*Cue Imperial theme*

Dean3238
04-03-2006, 07:56 PM
Indeed...the default convergence is 500m

My bad... mine was set to 200m and I didn't recall ever messing with it, so I figured it was the default.

Sorry to add confusion.

Dean

Fatalvision
04-03-2006, 08:30 PM
lol.....I set my convergance at 700 and can't hit a barn with it set at any other distance

But I like to shoot long distances at very high angles of deflection.....which makes me some sort of demented soul. I think it has something to do with the large amount of paste I ate in first grade.


SKY9T_BME

tagTaken2
04-03-2006, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Fatalvision:
I think it has something to do with the large amount of paste I ate in first grade.

SKY9T_BME

Ah, a fellow paste fan...

http://www.camartech.com.au/ess/productimages/s-86uhu.jpg

Never understood why they gave an ugly name to such a delicious product.



I'd stick with this dictum for gunnery:
When you think you're too close, get closer.
EDIT: I have convergence set to 120, but have to change for GA missions.

WTE_Galway
04-04-2006, 12:13 AM
some hints

- trim the aircraft
- centre the ball with rudder
- guess how much lead you need then triple it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


also remember when firing from dead six the tail of the aircraft is armored and the wings are presenting a crosssection of just a few inches - your shots can easily whizz past above and below a wing without hitting it if you are firing from directly behind

MG15120
04-04-2006, 12:50 AM
Get in close, when you think you are close enough....GET CLOSER!

Fatalvision
04-04-2006, 03:05 AM
Here is another helpful hint: if the other guy is in a really sharp turn and you can manage it,shoot for his lower wing. It is under alot of stress,and a well placed cannon shell or two is all it usually takes to fold it up over the fuselage or detach it completely.

Then you can get back to what is really important......A nice bowl of paste.


Paste, it's not just for breakfast anymore.
http://www.smthop.com/images/paste01.jpg



"How can Pamela Anderson protest against clubbing baby harp seals in Canada when she let Tommy Lee club her beaver like that?" - Larry Wachs of "The Regular Guys" radio show on 96 Rock in Atlanta

Tozzifan
04-05-2006, 03:22 AM
thank you all, much better now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

panzerd18
04-05-2006, 03:34 AM
This will help


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Tailspin/index.htm