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Cossack_UA
09-27-2004, 08:03 AM
Was catching up on the news today and found these interesting facts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm

Cossack_UA
09-27-2004, 08:03 AM
Was catching up on the news today and found these interesting facts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm

Bartsimpson-
09-27-2004, 09:24 AM
@#%&ing rag heads http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

georgeo76
09-27-2004, 09:27 AM
I saw this a couple of days ago myself, very interesting. I guess you could say they were somewhat successful, in that imperial Britain was one of the last casualtys of WWII.

georgeo76
09-27-2004, 09:33 AM
yea bartsimpson-, it's hard to imagine why the Idians were disloyal to the crown, they were treated so well.

BM357_TinMan
09-27-2004, 09:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartsimpson-:
@#%&ing rag heads http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa, not cool dude. Probably not the best choice for a post ever made.

clint-ruin
09-27-2004, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by georgeo76:
yea bartsimpson-, it's hard to imagine why the Idians were disloyal to the crown, they were treated so well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

:&gt;

TAGERT.
09-27-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartsimpson-:
@#%&ing rag heads http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/hotNukes/tenFootPole.jpg

owlwatcher
09-27-2004, 10:52 AM
Never saw that article before.
The threat about India turning axis power is old news if you do enough reading.

eddie_slovik
09-27-2004, 12:05 PM
indeed it is "old reading",had more to do with indian independance than anything else.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-27-2004, 12:25 PM
It had already been covered in Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Korolov
09-27-2004, 12:34 PM
I would imagine eventually, they would have broken off relations with India and attacked.

owlwatcher
09-27-2004, 01:48 PM
There was a time in WW2 that a link up between Japan and Germans in India was a real concern.
Japan came very close to a breakout in India.

There was shortage of food which also put a strain on the problem in India.

THE_Bu11dog
09-27-2004, 02:10 PM
Like there weren't Nazi Norwegians, Nazi Swiss, French collaborators and the ever so popular French Vichi Nazis, and don't forget the American Nazi Bund. Even the Brits were concerned about King Edward (because he was a Nazi sympathizer). Then there was Joe Kennedy Sr. and even Charles Lindbergh, both suspected of being "soft" on Hitler and Nazi Germany. I don't see what is so surprising about some Indians siding with Germany.

dhasdell
09-27-2004, 03:23 PM
3000 out of "tens of thousands" doesn't seem an awful lot, especially if some were, as I suspect, either just wanting out of the PoW camp or even aiming to cause trouble.
As for being "well treated" compared with whom?
Ibo's in Nigeria? Blacks in Sudan? Ruandans?

clint-ruin
09-27-2004, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE_Bu11dog:
Then there was Joe Kennedy Sr. and even Charles Lindbergh, both suspected of being "soft" on Hitler and Nazi Germany. I don't see what is so surprising about some Indians siding with Germany. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The fight between economic/corporate and military/strategic power in the US of the time is really fascinating to look into. And if you were able to pick through peoples garbage just after war broke out you'd find more than a few signed and singed photos of famous actors standing with an arm around ol Il Duce.

There's another famous name .. can't quite remember it. Oh wait - here it is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

k5054
09-27-2004, 03:35 PM
Whoever you are, and no matter how well-read, don't think that the relationship between the Crown, the UK, the Raj and India was ever simple, or you could sum it up in a sentence or two.
It was never a billion Indians struggling to throw off the yoke of colonialism and regain their independence, nor was it a grateful populace thanking the white man for all the wondeful things only he could bring. Somewhere in between, and different things to different people at different times. A bit like what's happening today in a country not too far from the headlines.

Howie A
09-27-2004, 04:13 PM
I think the initial post is pretty interesting but some of the follow-up politics look dirty.

Korolov's point looks to be a realistic outcome had the war gone in the Axis' favor.

Giganoni
09-27-2004, 04:19 PM
No colonialism situation is ever simple. There will always be people who benefit from their country being a colony of another. Opinions will vary, treatment of natives by colonists will vary. There has never been any colonialism that I can think of where no segement of the native population did not benefit. It seems to usually be a minority of people that benefit directly though.

dhasdell
09-27-2004, 04:22 PM
I'm not sure that the Aztecs or the Incas would agree with that, if you could find any to ask.

SUPERAEREO
09-27-2004, 04:36 PM
If memory serves me right the Italian Army also raised a small unit drawn from Indian POW's, even if I don't think it ever saw service, and I am sure it was disbanded in 1943.

In a documentary about the making of the Italian movie "El Alamein" (quite a good movie, actually, and it's a pity it hasn't been subtitled and released abroad) there were interviews with veterans from the Pavia division and the Folgore (paratroopers), and they narrated how they would sometimes run into Indian units in no-man's land (the front was very static for a period) and how some of these chance encounters would turn out to be friendly enough to allow exchanges of rations and cigarettes between enemies!

Let's not forget, however, that the SS also recruited a small unit composed of British POW's, and that the existence of this unit was kept secret for many years after the war.

I guess at the time things didn't look as black and white and as clear-cut as they appear to us today.

S!

WTE_Galway
09-27-2004, 05:33 PM
lets not forget these guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://flagspot.net/flags/in-azhin.html

jensenpark
09-27-2004, 05:40 PM
Very interesting post...

This one certainly goes under "just when I thought I knew everything..."