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mbaumhofer
10-16-2007, 04:01 PM
Where to begin.

First off this game is the most user UNFRIENDLY I have ever played.

Two there is no in game tutorial to actually help you learn the game, no let's fly for 10 minutes while we talk and watch not actual try and fly.

Third the game does not even identify your hardware for you, you go through 3 pages of input choices and if you do not know your up from down, left to right, rudder from flaps you are screwed.

Fourth the game should identify your specific product and walk you through a setup.

It is all about user friendly and this game is not any of that, it does not help you one bit to get started flying.

I have a low end joystick, it is an Logitech Attack 3, and I am not replacing it just for this game, if I could get in the game to actually enjoy it, I might consider it.

This game needs a patch to help NONE flying people learn how fly, this game needs to identify a computers input devices so you can choose ID1 or ID2 device and not guess at which one it is.

I am so disappointed in this game, I read so much about it and heard it was wonderful only to find out that it is not all that and a bag of chips.

I could use some help if anyone wants to answer in NON AVIATION lingo to help me get this working on my unit.

Thank You
Frustrated In Minnesota

Bearcat99
10-16-2007, 04:27 PM
Whoooooaaaa slow your roll champ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

First off welcome aboard... secondly... hit the Nugget's Guide in my sig below the P-51.. it will help you get started. There is a PDF file in your 46 folder that has an aircraft reference guide complete with cockpit references for gauges and all that.

You are in the right place. If you have any technical questions bring them to the Community help forum... any other questions bring them to the General discussion forum... which is where I posted a short cut to this thread at so you will get more responses.

As for the joystick.... I can almost guarantee you will be needing a new one soon. Logitech sticks are generally notorious for not lasting. When it does die... not if when.. consider going to this site: Saitek Reconditioned Products (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html) to get a new one at a better price than retail. Hopefully by that time your opinion of this sim will have changed and like the rest of us you will be more than willing to drop a few bucks more on your enjoyment. When I first started simming my first joystick was an Attack 3. It had no rudder control and I was basically a sitting duck .. that was back in 2001. Since then needless to say I have gone in the other direction.

Hopefully this will help (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&cat=50) with the joystick issues.

I understand your frustration... but if you just relax a tad and stow the chip.. or at least take it off your shoulder... there will be folks standing in line to help you get it together here. You might have to replace that stick though.. I don't remember if it has rudder.. when I bought mine back in 2001 the Attack 3 did NOT have rudder and you will need that.

Go over the links I gave you above first.... then if you have more questions come back here.

FoolTrottel
10-16-2007, 04:36 PM
Good thing there's this forum, aint it?

EDITED As I saw BC beat me to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Yer Welcome.
Sleepy in Europe

Zeus-cat
10-16-2007, 04:37 PM
I created a campaign (Straight From the Farm) to help people like you. Yes, the game developer's should have done it, but they didn't. That's water over the dam, or more appropriatley, air over the wing.

Anyway, it is the campaign Bearcat mentions in the Nugget's guide or just follow the link below. It starts with the basics and walks you through stuff. Try it, it WILL help you learn this game.

Installation instructions are in the readme file. Ask in the forums if you need help.

Zeus-cat
10-16-2007, 04:44 PM
And just to let you know, this is a user's forum. We didn't create the game, we just play it and help each other. So if you come in with a bad attitude, expect to get one right back.

knightflyte
10-16-2007, 05:54 PM
I understand the frustration you're experience. As posted by others here already check out their links. Once you get past the teething stage of IL2 you'll really start to enjoy it.

All you've read about this being a great game/sim is true.

In the original IL2 you were allowed to control the plane after the training segment's movie clip. I wish they kept that feature. Unfortunately it's not active anymore. So instead we have great forum members to help out instead with training missions.

When downloaded you'll need to insert them into the appropriate folders. There's usually a read me file to tell you where.

Ask away in here for other issues you may come across. There are no stupid questions.
Welcome to the forum, mbaumhofer .

Weather_Man
10-16-2007, 05:55 PM
I think it took me at least 10 attempts just to get airborne the first time I played. Don't let it get you down, keep at it! There is a steep learning curve, but once you get a few of the basics down, you will marvel at your accomplishments and you will be hooked!

Bearcat99
10-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Bear in mind that even under the best circumstances this sim has challenging FMs..

mbaumhofer
10-16-2007, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Whoooooaaaa slow your roll champ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

First off welcome aboard... secondly... hit the Nugget's Guide in my sig below the P-51.. it will help you get started. There is a PDF file in your 46 folder that has an aircraft reference guide complete with cockpit references for gauges and all that.

You are in the right place. If you have any technical questions bring them to the Community help forum... any other questions bring them to the General discussion forum... which is where I posted a short cut to this thread at so you will get more responses.

As for the joystick.... I can almost guarantee you will be needing a new one soon. Logitech sticks are generally notorious for not lasting. When it does die... not if when.. consider going to this site: Saitek Reconditioned Products (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html) to get a new one at a better price than retail. Hopefully by that time your opinion of this sim will have changed and like the rest of us you will be more than willing to drop a few bucks more on your enjoyment. When I first started simming my first joystick was an Attack 3. It had no rudder control and I was basically a sitting duck .. that was back in 2001. Since then needless to say I have gone in the other direction.

Hopefully this will help (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&cat=50) with the joystick issues.

I understand your frustration... but if you just relax a tad and stow the chip.. or at least take it off your shoulder... there will be folks standing in line to help you get it together here. You might have to replace that stick though.. I don't remember if it has rudder.. when I bought mine back in 2001 the Attack 3 did NOT have rudder and you will need that.

Go over the links I gave you above first.... then if you have more questions come back here.

First off I would like to apologize if I gave the wrong impression, my comments were based on utter frustration and if I came in here sounding like a big ape beating my chest I am sorry.

I want to thank you for the positive posts and the links directing me where to go and things I can do, I really want to get into this sim, it just seems so very complicated to me, or its juts me.

But thank you all for the positive remarks and helping out and forgive the apish outburst.

Skunk_438RCAF
10-16-2007, 06:40 PM
You want people to explain things to you in non aviation lingo?

I think that that is going to be extremely difficult. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but YOU are the one who will have to make an effort and learn it, and learn it fast. Some things just CANT be explained without the lingo, so its up to you to do the homework.

Now, I can understand your frustration, as I was once in the same place you were, 4 years ago. Nowadays, there is Bearcat's Nuggets Guide, which I would have found extremely helpful back then.

About the joystick and that this game should tell you what you have...its true that other games like FSX and Lock On do that, but just to be sure, whenever I install a new sim on my machine, I immediately go to the axis assignments and make sure that my joystick is properly assigned, even if it means actually reassigning it by clicking and wiggling the stick.

mbaumhofer
10-16-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
And just to let you know, this is a user's forum. We didn't create the game, we just play it and help each other. So if you come in with a bad attitude, expect to get one right back.

Please forgive my outburst.

I have loaded your training module as the readme suggests, but how do I access it the game?

Wepps
10-16-2007, 06:59 PM
From experience, the best way to learn for me was to go onto hyperlobby, and fly against these cheating super aces http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For example, I had the dammdest time learning how to land without crashing. Then one day I decided to fly online, and trust me when I say that being chased by 3 airfield jabos while trying to put your bird down gets you doing the weirdest stuff. I'd pull immelmans over the field, without ever practising them, and slam it down, brake, engine off, and refly.

Next thing I know I'm under WEP and in combat flaps trying to escape the same monkeys while they are chasing me up.

You learn fast that way. Having all the time in the world you're worried about the perfect touchdown, or how the engine's doing....but get chased around for a while and find yourself learning at supersonic speeds

Zeus-cat
10-16-2007, 07:22 PM
I have loaded your training module as the readme suggests, but how do I access it the game?

You have to start a single player campaign. If you loaded the "Straight From the Farm" folder as the readme tells you, the campaign will be accesible by doing the following.

1) Start the game
2) Select Pilot Career
3) Select New
4) Select USN in the Air Force menu
5) Look for "Straight From the Farm" under the Career menu
6) Read the description
7) Click on the Difficulty settings and set the difficulty options as recommended in the description
8) Select Start
9) Read the briefing and give the first mission a try. The briefings are also provided in a Notepad file and a Word file so that you can print them out if you want to refer to them while you are in the mission.
10) Once you have completed the mission hit Escape.

Dagnabit
10-16-2007, 07:46 PM
Welcome mbaumhofer,
This game can be frustrating at times, but the rewards of sticking with it will soon become evident to you. It isnt a FPS blastathon that you can blow through in a day or so and forget about by the end of the week.
As indicated above by others the Logitech stick you have isnt the best choice for this sim. I have the same stick as you, and Im only keeping it as a spare stick in case my Saitek x52 goes South on me. For the Logitech stick I have is very sensitive and I had to add alot of deadzone to get anything out of it that I could work with.
Im including a refrence here for you to check out. It is a dictionary of sorts, of pilot Slang/terminology, but please dont hesitate to ask here, about words that may not be included there.

http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm

Hope this is some help to you
Bset of luck
Dag

mbaumhofer
10-16-2007, 07:52 PM
Yes, your readme tells you the location to copy and paste the folders, but it does not tell you how to access it once in game.

Yah know I did apologize to you, please do not treat me like I am stupid. Here is the text from your readme.

1) Compatibility
This campaign was developed using a Pacific Fighters 4.01 installation and will work with any version of
Pacific Fighters after 4.01 and all versions of the merged
game including all versions of IL-2 1946.

2) Installing the campaign and practice missions
Install the "Straight_From_the_Farm" folder into your Missions\Campaign\UN folder
Install the Practice folder in your Missions\Single\UN folder


3) Practice Missions
The practice folder contains all 19 missions from the campaign.
It also has 27 additional missions consisting of 14 practice landing
missions for the A6M5, Corsair, D3A1, F4F, F6F, FM-2, Ki-43-Ic, SBD-3 and the Seafire;
and 13 takeoff missions for the same aircraft.


4) Straight From the Farm Campaign
The campaign is all about learning how to master takeoffs, landings and
basic flight functions for several of the planes in the Pacific Fighters and IL-2 1946 simulation.

The missions start off with very easy objectives and then progress to more complicated ones.
Most of the missions cover one basic concept and are very short in length. The later missions
are somewhat more complicated as they piece together things you have learned in the earlier missions.

The campaign assumes you are a typical pilot recruit of World War II and are straight off the farm and
have little knowledge of flying. I include tips and advice as I step you through each mission.
The tips are based on the way I "fly" and may not necessarily be the best way to do things. The intent
is to get you started enjoying this sim.

The missions are in a campaign format as I think it will help you feel you are making progress as you
go from one mission to the next. The campaign format also allows you to replay the current mission if
you feel you did not perform it well. As in all IL-2 missions, hit Esc (escape) to exit the mission.
If you wish to advance, select Apply. If you wish to repeat the mission, select Refly.

All the missions, as well as other training missions, are included in a separate folder
if you care to fly them at any time as single missions for extra practice.

The first 16 missions use the SBD-3, which is a US Navy dive-bomber. It is very easy to fly compared
to the high performance fighters that are in the game. Following those missions are three missions
in the F4F-4 "Wildcat".

Mission #01 Takeoff Practice #1
Mission #02 Takeoff Practice #2
Mission #03 Takeoff Practice #3

Mission #04 Landing Practice #1
Mission #05 Landing Practice #2

Mission #06 Simulated Carrier Landing
Mission #07 Simulated Carrier Takeoff and Landing

Mission #08 Lexington Class Carrier Takeoff
Mission #09 Lexington Class Carrier Takeoff with 3 x 250-pound bombs
Mission #10 Lexington Class Carrier Takeoff with 1 x 1600-pound bomb

Mission #11 Lexington Class Carrier Landing
Mission #12 Lexington Class Carrier Approach and Landing

Mission #13 Escort Carrier Takeoff
Mission #14 Escort Carrier Takeoff with 3 x 250-pound bombs

Mission #15 Escort Carrier Landing
Mission #16 Escort Carrier Approach and Landing

Mission #17 F4F Takeoff and Landing
Mission #18 F4F Takeoff and Landing on Escort Carrier
Mission #19 F4F Dead Reckoning

5) About the Author
My call sign is Zeus-cat and I am a member of the Hell Hounds squadron. In addition to this campaign, I have released 5 other campaigns.

Campaigns for Forgotten Battles and IL-2 1946
Straight and True: A torpedo bomber campaign using the Russian IL-2T
Straight Down: A dive-bomber campaign using the US Navy SBD-3
Straight Down Some More: A sequel to Straight Down using the SBD-3
Straight Shot: A campaign for the Japanese seaplane A6M2-N "Rufe"
Straight Into an Icy Hell: A sequel to Straight Shot using the A6M2-N "Rufe"

Campaigns for stand-alone Pacific Fighters
Straight Down: A dive-bomber campaign using the US Navy SBD-3
Straight Shot: A campaign for the Japanese seaplane A6M2-N "Ru
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">1) Compatibility</span>
Where does it say click on Pilot Career, Select Air Force "USN", Select Career "Straight from the Farm"

Your file does not contain instructions on how to run your file. You have to hunt and peck for yourself.

Once again, I apologized for my outburst you could acknowledge that much.

M_Gunz
10-16-2007, 08:04 PM
You are not alone even this week! (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2111043895)

Take Heart because this community has a lot of Heart to give!

BTW, if you have or can find a copy of the old European Air War CD there is a very good ground
school in HTML that I doubt that 1 in 20 owners of that even know is there! But it doesn't
cover the fine points on piloting (stick and rudder) because that sim does not have such a
detailed flight model as to need such. It does cover basic and advanced maneuvers though
(easier to fly is all) and attack methods... it runs about 5 MB but Hasbro owns the copyright.

Zeus-cat
10-16-2007, 09:06 PM
Yah know I did apologize to you, please do not treat me like I am stupid. Here is the text from your readme.


Where does it say click on Pilot Career, Select Air Force "USN", Select Career "Straight from the Farm"

Your file does not contain instructions on how to run your file. You have to hunt and peck for yourself.

Once again, I apologized for my outburst you could acknowledge that much.

mbaumhofer,

To be honest, I wasn't looking for an apology so I missed it. I wasn't trying to be rude, I just have been busy tonight and simply tried to answer you as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

You are correct, I did not provide details on how to start the campaign. As an experienced player I missed this when I tested it. My beta-testers missed it too. Sorry about that.

Once you pointed that ommission out to me, I provided you detailed instructions on how to start the campaign. If you felt my instructions were insulting you found an insult where none was intended. My experience with this campaign has taught me that EVERY step has to be spelled out for some people, and even then a small minority will screw it up. My intent was to be thorough, not insulting.

Furthermore, since you had loaded the campaign and couldn't start it, I wanted to provide detailed intstructions that would ensure you did not have to come back to the forum and ask for help again. Therefore, I erred on the side of overkill with my instructions.

Just to make sure we didn't get off on the wrong foot, I hope you enjoy the campaign and the game. If you have any questions on the campaign I will be happy to answer them. Post your questions here or send me an email at zeuscat@sbcglobal.net

Loco-S
10-16-2007, 10:14 PM
Here is some help , really good material if you want to learn the basics to fly one of this birds on IL2

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/handbook/

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Libra...3/$FILE/AC61-67C.pdf (http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/a2fdf912342e575786256ca20061e343/$FILE/AC61-67C.pdf)

Don_X
10-16-2007, 11:40 PM
There is a Flight School that will teach you from "out of the box" to advanced levels.

Link to Joint-Ops in my sig, its free.
__________________________________________________
Correct me if I'm wrong Zeuss(anyone ) been a while since I've been near an offline campaign, but shouldn't there be an entry in the "all.ini" list (in the campaign / all in folder)

example:-

[list]
Fighter
Fighter-Bomber
Surtr
atest_1
DGen_I_Leningrad41exe1
DGen_L_Leningrad41exe0
Castaway
Bushpigs
BattleofBritain

See page 54 of Manual.pdf re Full Mission Builder.
________________________________________________

To those of you that have been here a while and had the original FB, all I'll say is "rts.dll" ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BSS_Goat
10-17-2007, 05:23 AM
I should kick this guys arse..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Skunk_438RCAF
10-17-2007, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:

Once again, I apologized for my outburst you could acknowledge that much.

Dude, I was reading Z-C's post in response to you, and NO WHERE do I see any rude comment or do I read in any way that he is treating you as if you were stupid.

Now, a lot of people here are willing to help you, but to me you are just coming off as someone who's got a problem and who is out to blame someone for their lack of knowledge. And that is something that will turn a lot of people away from helping you.

BaronUnderpants
10-17-2007, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Skunk_438RCAF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:

Once again, I apologized for my outburst you could acknowledge that much.

Dude, I was reading Z-C's post in response to you, and NO WHERE do I see any rude comment or do I read in any way that he is treating you as if you were stupid.

Now, a lot of people here are willing to help you, but to me you are just coming off as someone who's got a problem and who is out to blame someone for their lack of knowledge. And that is something that will turn a lot of people away from helping you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Maby all the regulars could hold theire horses for a sec..and try to help instead of slipping into semantics just because someone missed a post, somone did this or that....hes frustrated as hell, like thats suprising.

He appolegized and is STILL a bit testy...but that will change very soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Keep at it and like someone said: there are no stupid question.


As for joysticks goes, i would recomend u getting a Saitek Cyborg..cheap and much better, trust me, u wont regret it. Last thing u need is a stick that sends u all over the place no matter what u do.

RxMan
10-17-2007, 07:13 AM
Has he ever said what version of the game he has ?

x6BL_Brando
10-17-2007, 07:14 AM
Well yes. It's the title of the thread that puts long-term IL2 fliers onto the defensive right from the start! I used to work in Central London with an early start time (about 0700) and I used to walk from home, down Regent's Street to get to Horse Guards Parade. I was mooching along one day when I vaguely noticed a couple of middle-aged, camera-festooned tourists coming my way along the otherwise empty street. 0645 is not my most receptive time of day, and I was shocked when the man suddenly reached out as we drew abreast and snapped his fingers under my nose! "Vere is Buck-ing-ham Pal-ace?" he barked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I have to confess that my reply wasn't as polite as I/we might have liked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Phrases like 'actually, excuse me is the proper form of address when accosting a stranger' or even 'well, you dropped bombs on it, you should blooming well know' completely evaded me, and I settled for snapping my fingers under his nose and giving him a simple two word Anglo-Saxon reply ending in "off" before I continued on my way. I don't feel proud of my response, but he had it coming I think.

The point is, the forum here is full of people who are more than willing to help you, but don't care for the form of address. Personally I avoid threads that start with angry demands for just that reason.

I don't have many links to training at my disposal, but if you ever get on-line at HyperLobby please feel free to page me (6BL-Brando) and I'll happily put up a training mission and take you through some stuff. If you load TeamSpeak then you could come onto our private server and chat. I only speak English, but I can easily point you towards others who speak either French or German. I fly between 2200 and 0200 GMT.

Welcome to the best combat prop sim around. I hope you have the patience to stick around - the end result is well worth the effort http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

B

Freelancer-1
10-17-2007, 07:23 AM
This is not friendly game for newcomers to get started on, mbaumhofer.

I will go as far as to say it sucks large.

It's a great game once you figure out how to actually do anything. Most of the people here have been here for a while and seem to have forgotten how frustrating of an experience it can be for someone with no flight sim experience to figure out.

I myself almost gave up before I got started because of the total lack of any kind of documentation. The simplest things, like manually raising you gear, can drive you nuts. And configuring your controls... forget it.

Back then I didn't know about this forum, so I had to figure it all out on my own. And trust me, I was ready to give up more than once.

Fortunately, you have found us and for the most part, we are a friendly and helpful bunch.

Take your time, ask questions as needed and you will be up and running in no time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Remember, though, that we have been asked these things hundreds of times already from various people so you may get some snarky answers now and then. Just let them bounce off and focus on the game.

Good luck and don't give up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 08:05 AM
My thanks to you, I was able to finally figure out where I errored. I was able to get the tutorial going and was finally able to take off and fly around.

This was positive, now that I have flown, I now understand why a new joystick is needed as the flaps on the keyboard and having a joystick without them just is not fun, to much to do for me, since I am polish it just doesnt work, ever hear of a polish kamikazzee, he had 200 succesful missions!!

Just kidding on the polish joke.

Thanks for all the help everyone, I want to play this game as it looks amazing.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 08:13 AM
Again, I just went through the posts from last night and I did not mean to come off guns blazing, its the stubborn german side in me and quick temper when things do not go my way.

I am totally and utterly flabergasted at how hard this game was to start and was about to give it up, but all of you changed that and now I look forward to playing the game more, it looks great and should be tons of fun and alot of replay time so I wont need to buy anything new anytime soon.

So from the bottom of my heart please forgive me for my outburst and attacking attitude about the game, it really wasnt directed at the game as a whole, just really the lack of tutorial in it, it really needs something in the beginnning to help someone get started.

I am not sure what version I have, but it seems to have everything in one dvd, pacific fighters and all the others mentioned, and I do have the 4.08m patch on my system.

B16Enk
10-17-2007, 08:43 AM
You have IL2:46 4.08M which is, as of today, the latest and greatest version.


fun and a lot of replay time

You have no idea how much!
How many games have you ever owned that you are still playing (I use the words 'game' and 'playing' lightly) six years later?
And still learning too...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zoom2136
10-17-2007, 09:43 AM
If you need more help with specific issues that are hard to discuss over this board...

Just download teamspeak (TS) here:

http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads

It is easy to setup... Just right click in the big white box... select "add server"

And enter the info below...

Warcloud's TS I.P. is "ts.war-clouds.com" and the password is "warcloudsrox"

Just register in as an "ananymous user"

Once this is done drop down to the channel where their is poeple in and ask for help setting up your game...

I'm usually in between 6-10 PM EST...

Hope this help...

FoolTrottel
10-17-2007, 09:46 AM
I fly between 2200 and 0200 GMT.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifMe thinks 'The Night Flier (http://www.liberatedfilms.com/film-58281-Stephen%20King's%20The%20Night%20Flier%20-%20US%20Home%20Video%20Trailer)' would make a very appropriate Avatar text.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 09:46 AM
Thank You Zoom

jkramer5
10-17-2007, 11:17 AM
How could you have read so much about this game before you bought it, found this forum and read some of it, posted a rant in it and not come across any of the thousands of posts to config guides, nuggett guides, tutorial mission links or any of the thousands of other help posts.

Amazing.

Freelancer-1
10-17-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by jkramer5:
How could you have read so much about this game before you bought it, found this forum and read some of it, posted a rant in it and not come across any of the thousands of posts to config guides, nuggett guides, tutorial mission links or any of the thousands of other help posts.

Amazing.

LOL!!

You finally do your first post since you registered in the summer of '05 and this is what you come up with?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by jkramer5:
How could you have read so much about this game before you bought it, found this forum and read some of it, posted a rant in it and not come across any of the thousands of posts to config guides, nuggett guides, tutorial mission links or any of the thousands of other help posts.

Amazing.

Why are you flaming me? I read reviews, it doesnt mean I read this board, come on!

cundo
10-17-2007, 11:27 AM
I have been flying in flight sims for a about 4 years. It takes some time to learn,but when you do.I bet you will love it.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 11:31 AM
I can now honestly say that I am amazed at the support this site gives, truly wow!!

Thank You

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-17-2007, 11:36 AM
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

M_Gunz
10-17-2007, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Loco-S:
Here is some help , really good material if you want to learn the basics to fly one of this birds on IL2

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/handbook/

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Libra...3/$FILE/AC61-67C.pdf (http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/a2fdf912342e575786256ca20061e343/$FILE/AC61-67C.pdf)

The first link is especially nice, Thank You Very Much for the links!

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks.

M_Gunz
10-17-2007, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check on EBay and Amazon before store, at least you get some idea of prices.

If you are good with solder and woodworking you can build a set of pedals which beat using a
twisty stick for rudder, beats it many times over for IL2. There are stick and pedal build
threads ON THIS FORUM and sites for same on the web, some linked to in the threads. So with
time and if you are able you can save bucks and still have good controllers -- save your old
stick for the wiring and connector if you go that route but replace the pots.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 12:52 PM
Not even close to mechanically inclined M-Gunz, I would probably solder my hand to my face by mistake.

:P

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-17-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, barely done that, lol. Good luck with the warden.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Not calling her a "warden" I want to see my 40th birthday hehehehehe
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, barely done that, lol. Good luck with the warden. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

M_Gunz
10-17-2007, 01:59 PM
I can tell ya now, Logitech do not last -- the 3D is not worth any $40.

If you're going to spend, look into an FFB stick to give you full feedback.
Some people here have been buying Micro$oft FFB sticks on EBay and swear by them.

Really, don't just go one place and choose from whatever is on the shelf.

waffen-79
10-17-2007, 02:10 PM
welcome aboard mate, looking forward to shot you down...er...I mean...Flying with you

Regards

Bearcat99
10-17-2007, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Not calling her a "warden" I want to see my 40th birthday hehehehehe
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, barely done that, lol. Good luck with the warden. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit that link to Saitek that I posted in my first post to you... if money is an issue then Saitek is the only way to go.. and you can get great bang for the buck with the reconned stuff. I recommend that you get the Saitek X-52. Yes it is $70.... which is actually cheap for a decent HOTAS (see an explanation of that term in the Nugget's Guide..)

As for the Mrs.. well most of us are married or have some SO.. so we understand and 60%+ of us are over 30... with 30+% being over 40.. check this out... Who we Are (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/114103926/p/1).. and mind you that was two years ago so everyone is 2 years older.. actually more than likely 3 or 4 because I edited my age but I think I'm the only one that did.. and I edited it on my birthday that year... and it had already been up for 1 or 2 years... so...

The point of all that is... this isn't your normal "gaming" community.. and it is actually a pretty good hobby.... and this bunch is a pretty decent bunch... for the most part... most of us have kids and many have grandkids...

If you think $70 is too steep to pay for a joystick consider these: CH Products (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) Thrustmaster Cougar (http://www.provantage.com/thrustmaster-2960534%7E7THRU00U.htm) Saitek (Full price) (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/joysticks.htm) Saitek Reconditioned (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html)

The reason why I say go for a HOTAS is because the sim works very well with it and it will suck you in and it is better to go and spend the money now.. rather than to buy a lesser stick.. only to spend more money later....

Doolittle81
10-17-2007, 02:33 PM
mbaumhofer:

Here is an early take off by me soon after purchasing/installing the original IL2:
http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/TakeOFF.gif



Later, after many frustrating hours/days of trial-and-error and forum advice and practice,etc...

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Takeoffroll.gif


Bottom line: the IL2 series (Il2-FB-PF-1946) is not an arcade Game...and there is a fairly steep learning curve...especially for someone who is not familair with flying, real-life or in authentic Simulations.

Keep practicing and learning and flying...the rewards are great for doing so.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Not calling her a "warden" I want to see my 40th birthday hehehehehe
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, barely done that, lol. Good luck with the warden. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit that link to Saitek that I posted in my first post to you... if money is an issue then Saitek is the only way to go.. and you can get great bang for the buck with the reconned stuff. I recommend that you get the Saitek X-52. Yes it is $70.... which is actually cheap for a decent HOTAS (see an explanation of that term in the Nugget's Guide..)

As for the Mrs.. well most of us are married or have some SO.. so we understand and 60%+ of us are over 30... with 30+% being over 40.. check this out... Who we Are (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/114103926/p/1).. and mind you that was two years ago so everyone is 2 years older.. actually more than likely 3 or 4 because I edited my age but I think I'm the only one that did.. and I edited it on my birthday that year... and it had already been up for 1 or 2 years... so...

The point of all that is... this isn't your normal "gaming" community.. and it is actually a pretty good hobby.... and this bunch is a pretty decent bunch... for the most part... most of us have kids and many have grandkids...

If you think $70 is too steep to pay for a joystick consider these: CH Products (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) Thrustmaster Cougar (http://www.provantage.com/thrustmaster-2960534%7E7THRU00U.htm) Saitek (Full price) (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/joysticks.htm) Saitek Reconditioned (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html)

The reason why I say go for a HOTAS is because the sim works very well with it and it will suck you in and it is better to go and spend the money now.. rather than to buy a lesser stick.. only to spend more money later.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about this one?

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyrufore.html

Extreme_One
10-17-2007, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:


How about this one?

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyrufore.html

I fly (occasionally now) with that stick and it's OK-ish for the money.

I'd struggle to recommend it wholeheartedly though since I find fine control very tricky and if you want to dogfight or bomb accurately you may find it frustrating. I know I do sometimes.

I'm not saying it's a bad stick, I do have the occasional successful sortie having shot down an enemy bird or two, but there are plenty of better sticks out there (but you may need to pay a little more for them)

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-17-2007, 04:51 PM
Here's the one! http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyevoflcore.html Much better stick and cheaper to boot! If you have to have force then pop the extra bill and get the evo force here: http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyevofore.html That's the stick I'm currently using (along with my X52 throttle, Ch pedals, and TrackIR).

Cossack13
10-17-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks
rocks.
Just hang in there, guy! The fact that you came on this forum to try to conquer the problems speaks volumes.

Maybe you need to join up with a squadron?

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Cossack13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks
rocks.
Just hang in there, guy! The fact that you came on this forum to try to conquer the problems speaks volumes.

Maybe you need to join up with a squadron? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldnt even know where to start, I have to figure out if I can put the time in, wife needs to approve the hobby. I think it would be fun. And I need to get an odd job to pay for the new joystick.

Question to all, you dont know me and dont need to trust me, but if you have a used joystick that would work for me let me know.

Thanks
Michael

M_Gunz
10-17-2007, 05:24 PM
Keep your eyes open and if you have to let it wait for some real time. Explain to wifie that
having to wait has loaded you with tension that she has to help you with and then, well time
may pass quicker you know?

That Rumbler... what, a stick with a shaker in it? And one hat to say the most?

Two years ago I paid $80 for an X-52 combo on 20% off and it's $70 on Bear's link? I didn't look.
Anyway coming closer to Christmas you may find an even better deal gives you time to save for what
will last years longer. X-52 is a twisty stick with 2 hats, 4 upper buttons, regular and pinkie
triggers and a MODE selector so you can change button/hat to any of 3 assignments by turning a
knob with colored light to show you red, yellow or green state and 3 two-direction toggles in the
base -- PLUS a throttle quadrant with thumb mouse, 3 rotaries (where did I put that trim?) and a
slider (there it is!), another button (besides the thumb mouse button) and a hat right where your
left index finger wraps to, also an LCD freaking MFD with game and clock/stopwatch functions.

And that's NOT the high end which lives up in CH-Products-ville, the Cougar.

All that for $70 and you have no $70... who knows, there are people here who got new and still
have the old one just collecting dust. It has happened even here. That's how my old MS3DPro
went but I knew Rookie for a couple years then and it was hard-case which, ummm, you are sorta.

What I'm saying is a little time spent waiting is better than buying something you won't really
like and may not last terribly long. But then some people go through Saitek X-sticks in less
time than I took on a Logitech Sidewinder 3D -- they wear loose.

IN THE MEANTIME, have you tried cleaning the pots on the stick you do have? Or is it rattely?
Dust and smoke get in the electronics (post and switches) and need a tuner-spray cleaning from
time to time, there's how-to's on the web, no soldering but some disassembly/reassembly required
(you got any friends who could?) and IT'S LOADS CHEAPER THAN ANOTHER STICK.

Bearcat99
10-17-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Here's the one! http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyevoflcore.html Much better stick and cheaper to boot! If you have to have force then pop the extra bill and get the evo force here: http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyevofore.html That's the stick I'm currently using (along with my X52 throttle, Ch pedals, and TrackIR).

Yes the Evo force is a muchbetter stick.. the extra $10 you will spend will be worth it.. The standard Evo is out of stock anyway.

The Cyborg is ok.. it is better than any Logitech.. but in the long run you will be better off with the Evo.

mbaumhofer
10-17-2007, 05:39 PM
I have an Logitech Attack 3 joystick, it has throttle, no hat, no rudder capability.

So in essence it sucks.

potpie69
10-17-2007, 05:43 PM
X52 a decent choice, stick and throttle in one package, easy to program, plenty of buttons to use(won't need a keyboard) Trackers a great investment, I'll never go back to using hatswitch for looking around) pricey though(4pro that is) CH rudder pedals also excellent. http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.htmlhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826169103

M_Gunz
10-17-2007, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
I have an Logitech Attack 3 joystick, it has throttle, no hat, no rudder capability.

So in essence it sucks.

How long can you go without playing? Saitek also has the Evo line. You can try out the display
models in most big electronics stores like Best Buys or Circuit City. See if they feel right.

And if this is a problem then you will be playing IL2 for a long time because you will not get
a PC that can SOW for just that long!

Bearcat99
10-17-2007, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
I have an Logitech Attack 3 joystick, it has throttle, no hat, no rudder capability.

So in essence it sucks.

That was my first joystick.. back in CFS1.
I even bought two..... when the first one died. After that one died I got a MSFFB2.. been a fan ever since.

Something to consider.. When I started simming and bought my first joystick I saw the Saitek X-45. It was going for $79.99 then @ Best Buy.. I remember not even considering it...
"I'm not spending $80 for a joystick just to play some game.. ".. well 6 years and hundreds of dollars later.. that being spent on PC upgrades, incremental and major.. and various bits of hardware over the years... my original PII with the 32M video card and 256K PC100RAM has morphed into my present rig.. which is by no means state of the art.

http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/100_2686_0.JPG

arthursmedley
10-17-2007, 06:19 PM
mbaumhofer, I have the saitek cyborg. It's o.k...ish.

Mine stopped doing the shake rattle and roll bit about a year ago but instead of replacing it I sunk my spare cash into something called Trackir.

If you manage to get to grips with this sim it's something you might consider in the future.

But whats really going to happen is that this sim is going to get a grip on you.


Yes, you're right. It's not that user friendly to begin with and its a pity the latest version dosent come with the handy little booklet of the earlier ones.

It took me about a year to fully understand the functions of the 'user defined' control buttons
and five years on I,m still learning things about this sim.

Very good luck with it. Just keep practising and enjoy.

See you on hyperlobby soon.

knightflyte
10-17-2007, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I'm going to second the post for www.Joint-ops.com (http://www.Joint-ops.com) , great place to learn new things, Basic Flight School is more fun thatn you can shake a flight stick at.

Not calling her a "warden" I want to see my 40th birthday hehehehehe
Before I can do that I have to convince my wife of the time commitement and the money to buy the right joystick since mine absolutely sucks rocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, barely done that, lol. Good luck with the warden. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit that link to Saitek that I posted in my first post to you... if money is an issue then Saitek is the only way to go.. and you can get great bang for the buck with the reconned stuff. I recommend that you get the Saitek X-52. Yes it is $70.... which is actually cheap for a decent HOTAS (see an explanation of that term in the Nugget's Guide..)

As for the Mrs.. well most of us are married or have some SO.. so we understand and 60%+ of us are over 30... with 30+% being over 40.. check this out... Who we Are (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/114103926/p/1).. and mind you that was two years ago so everyone is 2 years older.. actually more than likely 3 or 4 because I edited my age but I think I'm the only one that did.. and I edited it on my birthday that year... and it had already been up for 1 or 2 years... so...

The point of all that is... this isn't your normal "gaming" community.. and it is actually a pretty good hobby.... and this bunch is a pretty decent bunch... for the most part... most of us have kids and many have grandkids...

If you think $70 is too steep to pay for a joystick consider these: CH Products (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) Thrustmaster Cougar (http://www.provantage.com/thrustmaster-2960534%7E7THRU00U.htm) Saitek (Full price) (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/joysticks.htm) Saitek Reconditioned (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html)

The reason why I say go for a HOTAS is because the sim works very well with it and it will suck you in and it is better to go and spend the money now.. rather than to buy a lesser stick.. only to spend more money later.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about this one?

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/cyrufore.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NO on that Saitek model, mbaumhofer. It's very sticky and the effect is a rumbling instead of force feedback.

I bought it for my father for X Mas a few years ago and ended up giving him my old Saitek EVO Force because I felt so bad.

sgt.dumpster
10-18-2007, 10:05 AM
stop yore WHinnink,ITZ A CRUEL WURLD HERR STACHEL

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-18-2007, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by sgt.dumpster:
stop yore WHinnink,ITZ A CRUEL WURLD HERR STACHEL

WTF M8?

mbaumhofer
10-18-2007, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by sgt.dumpster:
stop yore WHinnink,ITZ A CRUEL WURLD HERR STACHEL

Huh? What? Im so lost.