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zhenelzuar
11-23-2006, 11:11 AM
I think that it is, fast, powerful, beautiful and easy to pilot.

Defeating big planes in moments:


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ytareh
11-23-2006, 11:57 AM
Was tinkering around with this plane last Sunday.To most it seems slow and fast to overheat and thats what I always thought.BUT if you keep power at 95% max with WEP /boost and full radiator and never try sustained climb under 270kmh or turnfighting its a neat BnZ -er!!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AWL_Spinner
11-23-2006, 01:08 PM
Ah, making the most of Thanksgiving day to quietly assert that the Tempest won the war... like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Heh.

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Bremspropeller
11-23-2006, 02:41 PM
Tempest rawks big time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
11-23-2006, 02:45 PM
i love the tempist. it is far to fast to overheat in this game i think. And IMHO one of the very very few things to come outa G.B that is not fugly. the Tempist and Billie Piper thats it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://boazrimmer.com/wordp/wp-content/billiepiper.jpg<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bremspropeller
11-23-2006, 02:52 PM
We need a Temp II and a high-boost Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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carguy_
11-23-2006, 02:52 PM
Remember real Tempest was a hard plan to pilot.


Generally,Spitfire is the best of`em all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
11-23-2006, 02:59 PM
Tempest is tricky in its wing drop stall, engine overheat, and keeping the plane on an even keel with the trim, but in some respects its nice and easy on the pilot too like having excellent firepower and visibility.

I wouldn't say its the best plane of WWII. There are plenty of planes that do things better than the Tempest. But for a tactical fighter the Tempest is a perfect match to the job.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Arm_slinger
11-23-2006, 03:38 PM
Sort out the atrocious overheat, and it will be fine. The rear vis is iffy (I only know that from other posts), but with a good wingman that shouldn't be a massive issue

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JG4_Helofly
11-23-2006, 03:53 PM
"THE best plane" doesn't exist in my opinion. During the war all sides had good fighters which were very close in performance. Every plane has advantages and disadvantages, but calling one of them the best is subjectiv and not possible because there are to much parameters. Exemple: What is more important, climb or speed; turning circles or manoeuvrability;... For some people or pilots these caracteristics are not as important as for other people or pilots. One would say: Speed is more important the other climb and so on.

At the end the pilot make the difference because planes were so close in performance.

mynameisroland
11-23-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Tempest is tricky in its wing drop stall, engine overheat, and keeping the plane on an even keel with the trim, but in some respects its nice and easy on the pilot too like having excellent firepower and visibility.

I wouldn't say its the best plane of WWII. There are plenty of planes that do things better than the Tempest. But for a tactical fighter the Tempest is a perfect match to the job.

Been tinkering more with Tempest Ice, now Im dowing D9s regularly and Fw 190 As are mince meat. Managed to make a Fw 190 D9 on Ardennes map explode from dead 6 ! Im also keeping speeds up by keeping radiator at 4 in combat and climbing at 85% throttle + pitch and WEP when not in combat. When in trouble its rad closed WEP on ,110% throttle and 70% pitch for a shallow dive run away. Once you level out low build pitch up to 100%. I left 2 Bf 109 K4s for dead that way on the Dortmund map and rtbed with 4 kills (2 D9s, 1 A9 and 1 Bf 109 G10)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG7_Rall
11-23-2006, 08:15 PM
but did it have fowler flaps?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
11-23-2006, 08:40 PM
Fowler flaps and leading edge slats. Whirlwind FTW. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
11-23-2006, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
but did it have fowler flaps?
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VW-IceFire
11-23-2006, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Tempest is tricky in its wing drop stall, engine overheat, and keeping the plane on an even keel with the trim, but in some respects its nice and easy on the pilot too like having excellent firepower and visibility.

I wouldn't say its the best plane of WWII. There are plenty of planes that do things better than the Tempest. But for a tactical fighter the Tempest is a perfect match to the job.

Been tinkering more with Tempest Ice, now Im dowing D9s regularly and Fw 190 As are mince meat. Managed to make a Fw 190 D9 on Ardennes map explode from dead 6 ! Im also keeping speeds up by keeping radiator at 4 in combat and climbing at 85% throttle + pitch and WEP when not in combat. When in trouble its rad closed WEP on ,110% throttle and 70% pitch for a shallow dive run away. Once you level out low build pitch up to 100%. I left 2 Bf 109 K4s for dead that way on the Dortmund map and rtbed with 4 kills (2 D9s, 1 A9 and 1 Bf 109 G10) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sounds like a good technique. I've heard several variations.

My own is to run with the radiator at stage 8 and without WEP until combat. When in combat I alternate between 70% pitch and 90% pitch and throttle being as liberal as I choose. You see the overheat sometimes but I've never found it to be a real problem as I just back off a bit.

Its not perfected yet...but I'm getting better with that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
11-23-2006, 11:08 PM
Nice plane, but I am not too experienced in it.

Can it catch a FW190A9 in a dive/shallow dive?

Because its not often that a Tempest seems to catch me in my 'escape dive'.

At least I seem to be able to get well behind my lines and near my airfield before he gets many bullets into me. Then he gets chased off by teamates.

I never use Prop pitch on the FW190A9 either, just Auto Pitch.

Seems to me that the dive speeds and top speed in the game are very similar.

Never the less, the Tempest is a great plane, and obviously if you are 'only' as fast (top speed and dive speed only) as a FW190A9 then thats still very fast.

I just would have thought that it would have been faster than the FW190A9 and more like the Dora, I have seen lots of quotes saying that the contemporary Typhoon was usually faster than the FW190 it was in service with (same year). (Although obviously the FW190 was a far better all round fighter than the 1941-43 Typhoon regardless of top speed)

Its possibly the whole 9lbs or 12 lbs boost problem we have. We have the earlier lower boost Tempest.

Just one thing I dont like about the Tempest is that it feels like its a biiiig plane and you can really feel it as you haul that big nose around on my computer, just like the Corsair.

It doesnt feel nimble like a FW190 or Spitfire.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
11-23-2006, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Remember real Tempest was a hard plan to pilot.


Generally,Spitfire is the best of`em all. best brit fighter maby<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Aaron_GT
11-24-2006, 01:12 AM
Can it catch a FW190A9 in a dive/shallow dive?

It should do. The RAF rated it as a better diver than the P47 (although I am not sure what balance of diving ability at what heights they used to determine this).

Brain32
11-24-2006, 03:14 AM
Well I don't know if it's the best, but it certanly is my favourite(my first plastic model prop was a Tempest when I was a kid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).
I agree that in regards to Tempest model in IL2 overheat is the biggest problem, after extensive testing I came to following conclusion; as long as you have WEP on but regardless of throtthle setting your engine runs at 3700RPM and 9lbs of boost, no wonder the poor thing overheats even at 75% throtthle, the only way to reduce RPM is to mess around with proppitch settings, however the boost remains unchanged http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif. I also tried running without WEP but at 110% throtthle, then it runs at 3150rpm and 4lbs of boost, this should be "rich continuous" setting, however you will still not only overheat it but it will happen rather soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif There is simply no doubt that in regards to overheat Tempest is heavily punched below the belt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif
I don't need the 11pounder so bad(I will however not complain if we get it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) just a little tune-up of what we have. I also think that very low speed handling is a bit too good for a 5 ton plane as I often hanged with 109's in slow spiral climbs and near the stall manouvers, but the problem here might be more in 109's than in the Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In regards to usage, what I usually do is climb at full power up to about 4500m, then take the cool down period with very shallow climb up to 6000m, and then look for things to kill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
As for the speed and dive, of all German prop planes only Dora is generally faster than a Tempest however, at about 2000m nothing is as fast as the Tempest, not even Mustang3, if you see you are loosing a fight against the Dora, don't dive all the way to the deck to disengage, dive to about 2000m and then run away. As for the dive, nothing accelerates as fast in the dive as the Tempest except maybe P51, you can almost literary leave 109's and 190Antons standing, only a Dora might be a problem(you have to plan disengageing a bit), however do not overspeed the propeller, drop pitch so you can keep about 3500rpm, and trim for the dive, keep the needle centered, you will leave them in the dust http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Maximum dive speed is about 900kph IAS, same as Dora and 50kph more than Anton and 109 break-up speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kwiatos
11-24-2006, 03:50 AM
I could hang these hot in engine and lack of speed in these version but i can't hang these stupid or rather no rear view in Tempest :/

Xiolablu3
11-24-2006, 04:08 AM
The probelm is that the game is modelled in the only way it can be right now - Your head spins 180 degrees as your mouse turns.

As the planes are modelled accurately, then its hit and miss whether you can se behind you by spinning your mouse around.

SOme planes you can, some you cant.

Oleg could have taken the route of 'changing' the cockpits so you you could see out of the back, but making them historically wrong looking.

OR, the way he has done, keeping the cockpits correct.

I feel he made the right choice. The game is striving to be a sim first after all, thats why we love it over Crimson Skies. Although its hard for gameplay reasons in some planes, I would rather have them correct, than altered purely so people can play the game better.

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ploughman
11-24-2006, 04:30 AM
Here's a link (http://www.hawkertempest.se/) to a nice Tempest site.

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RCAF_Irish_403
11-24-2006, 08:18 AM
Fantastic plane. Hope we get the extra boosted model at some point.

Yesterday, I left a late war Gustav in the dirt at sea level. Rads open, WEP engaged, 85% PP....plus 1 ton of bombs (kept the bombs, never ditched them)

I very rarely overheat the engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HellToupee
11-24-2006, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Can it catch a FW190A9 in a dive/shallow dive?

Because its not often that a Tempest seems to catch me in my 'escape dive'.


IMO 190a9 infact most 190s easily outdistance the tempest in a dive, even correctly trimmed mess with prop pitch etc etc, its very pronounced from lower speeds.

Hell once i put bout 10 20mms in a 190 and then had him pull away in the dive before i caught him in the level.



It doesnt feel nimble like a FW190 or Spitfire.


thats usually down to its lower roll rate vs 190 and lower elevator sens vs spitfire, however it is a feature i like, the spitfire feels nimble but it feels highly unstable, tempest feels solid which makes shooting much better where as shooting in spitfire is extremly difficult.