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ytareh
11-10-2007, 02:34 AM
This is an achingly beautiful addition to the game and frankly I find IL2 without it now a bit of a joke to look at -as if someone put car enthusiast style bright ,glossy vinyl decals on the wings...Installation can be a bit tricky.Basically there are about 4 downloads (2.33-2.36?)and you have to install each one which will put the program software and lots of 'skins' on your hard drive .Then you uninstall the version you already have which takes away the software but leaves the skins in your IL2 folder.After the final /latest edition you need to specify the path to the game folder and most importantly you need to rename your main game executable (il2fb to il2)or copy and paste it and then call the second one il2.
Unfortunately as with so many things after an install of Vista I couldnt not get MAT Manager running (others say they can)But I was able to connect the hard drive from my old pc to my new one and transfer all the skins which means I at least have the german hakenkreuz and weathered markings but cant change between theatres /time periods etc as this amazing program allows

JG52Karaya-X
11-10-2007, 02:40 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The stock markings are just **** compared to the ones IL-2 Mat Manager imports into the sim.

bigbossmalone
11-10-2007, 02:50 AM
indeed, ever since i first used MAT manager, if i ever have to do a reinstall of IL2, it's the first thing i install before even running it. there's just NO comparison. the stock stuff is a complete joke compared to MAT manager's markings. if you only have one utility addon for IL2, it has to be MAT manager.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

muchaclopiec
11-10-2007, 02:58 AM
"the stock stuff is a complete joke"...do people ever wonder why Oleg doesent post here anymore???

waffen-79
11-10-2007, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
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The stock markings are just **** compared to the ones IL-2 Mat Manager imports into the sim.

Are there any screenshots? you know, posting beore and after, differences, etc...

Feathered_IV
11-10-2007, 05:29 AM
It's half the game from a visual point of view. Every bit as good as a paid addon.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2007, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
Installation can be a bit tricky.

Understatement of the year! Very similar to Lowengrin's Dynamic Campaign generator, I find MAT manager needlessly difficult. I will sit here for hours making campaigns or skins, but when it comes to things like MAT manager I can't sit here and pound my head on the desk installing, uninstalling, installing, uninstalling...it's infuriating

Even the websites and instructions are like festival seating in Hell to me

Codex1971
11-10-2007, 07:06 AM
Someone actually merged all the versions into one install (version 2.37 they called it), I just can't locate the link. Made installing it under much easier.

flyingloon
11-10-2007, 07:12 AM
if you ever do find that, or if anyone has it please post it up, i'm sure i missed some markings but there's no way i'm going thru the whole rigmarole again!

RegRag1977
11-10-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Codex1971:
Someone actually merged all the versions into one install (version 2.37 they called it), I just can't locate the link. Made installing it under much easier.

Would be cool to have it! Please post it as soon as you find it again Codex http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-10-2007, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The stock markings are just **** compared to the ones IL-2 Mat Manager imports into the sim.

Are there any screenshots? you know, posting beore and after, differences, etc... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

anarchy52
11-10-2007, 07:24 AM
With the recent developments in the modding community, mat manager will soon be obsolete.

JG51_Rudel
11-10-2007, 07:26 AM
Im trying to get it to work for almost a week now. Im a little confused on the many installs and uninstalls that you have to do. So please find the link to the v3.37, so i can see what the hype is all about.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2007, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by anarchy52:
With the recent developments in the modding community, mat manager will soon be obsolete.

This merits explanation

SeaFireLIV
11-10-2007, 09:33 AM
MatManager is indeed great uility and adds a whole new load of immersion to aircraft. however, and it must be said, for some reason the installing is strangely difficult at times. It always takes me at least 3 tries to get it- but it`s worth it!

I`ve lost my recent version and would like this new `all-in` version too.

I don`t find DCG by lowengrin half as hard to install.

mortoma
11-10-2007, 12:26 PM
Personally, I don't give a rat's digestive orifice what the planes look like. They are going to get blow to complete smithereenies anyway!!
Got any questions????

Codex1971
11-10-2007, 04:20 PM
Found it!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4341028625

Codex1971
11-10-2007, 04:21 PM
Bugger...I was too eager...file is no longer available http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

crucislancer
11-10-2007, 04:26 PM
MAT manager is great, though to be honest I don't play around with it much. I just set it up and haven't touched it since.

Agreed about installation, very confusing. There is a thread about it in the M4T forums.

F19_Orheim
11-10-2007, 04:26 PM
hmmm I agree.. Mat Manager is a necessity, but PLEASE make ONE FILE installation only available...pleaaaase.

major_setback
11-10-2007, 04:37 PM
I only installed it about a month ago for the first time. I agree that it hugely improves the look of the planes. Even some of the simple default skins don't stick out too much with subtle markings. It was a terrible job installing it, and took a long time to set it up right too.

I think I had to set markings for every theatre and country, otherwise default markings appeared (which made me do several unnecessary installs before I realised what was wrong/right). Mind you I didn't fully read the install instructions and readme http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif - which didn't help.

Feathered_IV
11-10-2007, 04:47 PM
You don't have to install every single update of it if it is too confusing for you. Just installing the main part is enough to improve the look of the thing beyond all recognition.

mandrill7
11-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Agree with all the above. But once you have the bugger installed - assuming it installs correctly, that is - it does look sweet!

Skycat_2
11-10-2007, 05:52 PM
I have a brief, simplified explanation on how to install it in my "Newcomer's Guide to Updating 1946" link in my sig. My notes also tell you how to set it up so it will work in 1946 and under the Vista OS.

I agree that the MAT-Manager provides a vast improvement over the stock decals.

Skycat_2
11-10-2007, 05:56 PM
Oh, I'll just copy and paste here instead:

<span class="ev_code_RED">Improved Markings</span>. The national markings, fuselage codes, and squadron insignias that appear on the aircraft are rendered by decals called MATs. The stock MATs are less than perfect however; for starters, they are too opaque and the aircraft's panel lines are obscured beneath them. More importantly to many players, the stock MATs are often historically inaccurate. Even at best, they are just too 'clean' for typical front line combat aircraft. Aces Artwork (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/) tackled this problem by creating the IL-2 MAT Manager utility and including hundreds of replacement MATs to choose from.

Installation into Windows XP should be pretty straightforward; just follow the procedure below. If you are using Windows VISTA, both IL2-MAT Manager and IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 must be installed outside of your Program Files folder to work ... I learned this the hard way.

1) Copy your 1946 game's "il2fb.exe" and rename the copy to "il2.exe." (You should now have both versions in your game's main folder. Don't simply rename il2fb.exe or else Hyperlobby and other utilities won't work.)
2) Edit the [Game] section of your game's conf.ini file so that clearcache=0.
3) Go to your PaintSchemes folder and make sure that Cache and NetCache are not 'Read Only.'
4) Download IL-2MAT_and_IL-2_MAT_Manager_V2.33_PLUS_Installers (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/IL-2MAT_and_IL-2_MAT_Manager_V2.33_PLUS_Installers.zip). Extract the contents. You won't need il2mat_setup or the hook file.
5) Install the il2-MAT Managerv2_33_PLUS_Full_Installer.
6) Run IL2-MAT Manager and target the program to your game's main folder. The default target location is C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. Installation will take several dozen minutes to complete, so go make a sandwich or something.
7) Customize some MATs and save your changes. Click on the Load tab at the top left corner. Exit IL2-MAT Manager and let the files transfer. Start 1946 and see if the changes appear in the game. For testing purposes, changing the default Japanese insignia to any custom MAT will give very obvious results.
8) If your customization was successful, download il2-MAT Managerv2.34 (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/IL2-MAT_Manager_V2.34_Update.zip). You should uninstall v2.33 through the Windows Control Panel before installing the update.
9) Download il2-MAT Managerv2.35 (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/IL2-MAT_Manager_v2_35_Update.zip). You should uninstall v2.34 through the Windows Control Panel before installing the update.
10) Download il2-MAT Managerv2.36 (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/IL2-MAT_Manager_v2_36_Update.zip). You should uninstall v2.35 through the Windows Control Panel before installing the update.

* Edit: Direct link to the MAT Manager download page (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/MATfiles.htm). Includes descriptions of each stage and specific instructions for installing each update.

Bearcat99
11-10-2007, 07:19 PM
This is one utility that I have been seeing around since day one and have yet to use but everyone raves about it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Are there any screen shots with the differences? I always thought it was just a marking utility.

MaxMhz
11-10-2007, 07:33 PM
hah - just see for yurself BC what a difference "just" a markings utility can make http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Mind you, it will install a huge number of files and takes a lot of time and effort to install. Not for everyone, specially if you use custom marked skins (they need to be compatible), but worth it for many. Try it! You'll either hate it because of the install or love it because of the resulting looks.
Don't forget it will put all the correct markings on the AI too - a definite plus when playing campaigns.

TSmoke
11-10-2007, 08:13 PM
Hi, I tried installing this Mat Manager a dozen times or so over the years, I can never get it to work.

The read me isn't made idiot proof, for people like me who know diddly about computers,its kind of manditory. If it's so good why has it never been made as a self install.

Many freebie add-ons be it CFS or otherwise are self install. Till it such I won't waste another dozen tries getting something to work that makes no sense to this schmuk.

Skycat_2
11-10-2007, 08:27 PM
Comparison screenshots courtesy of Aces (http://aces_artwork.airwarfare.com/example.htm).

Some of the differences are dramatic while others are subtle. The setup menu is a powerful tool and even something as 'simple' as the Soviet or Japanese national insignia has several options. The US insignia, for example, has a few alternatives based on early, mid and late war borders around the star's roundel; if nothing else, we don't have to use the stock oversized star on hideous blue.

Then there is the matter of adding historic markings like swastikas (if you don't have Stab or the swastika enabler) on German tails and the authentic Finnish national markings on the wings.

Looking into the options a little deeper, you can choose to use smaller squadron shields (so they don't take up half the fuselage); alternate fuselage codes that are randomized numbers or are more historically correct in design; and several new staffel position markings. The German fuselage code numbers can be changed to different colors; RAF markings have alternative hues; US codes can be applied in various stencil designs.

The most obvious graphical improvement, however, is simply how much better the MATs look when they are slightly transparent and you can see panel lines, rivets and other details behind them. Slightly weathered, dirty and chipped makes for a better overall appearance.

Skycat_2
11-10-2007, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by TSmoke:
The read me isn't made idiot proof, for people like me who know diddly about computers,its kind of manditory. If it's so good why has it never been made as a self install.
For the most part it is self-installing. You just need to prep your IL-2 game folder first. The 'uninstall' part of the process isn't to remove the full program, just the registry entry for MAT-Manager and I believe the files where MAT-Manager's settings are saved.

Changing the 'ClearCache=' value in your conf.ini is probably something that an installer can't do for you. Similarly, I don't think it could change the properties of your Cache and Netcache folders for you. Those are two steps you must do for yourself. And you must have a copy of the game's execute icon named to il2.exe. I don't know why the old name is still needed by MAT-Manager--perhaps it is simply too difficult to change the MAT-Manager's coding--but its something you must do for the program to work properly.

That's only three things you must do. If you can rename a file, edit a text document and change the properties of a folder so it isn't 'read only' then you know enough diddly about computers to get the main part of this to work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Many freebie add-ons be it CFS or otherwise are self install.
Most are not. Especially with the CFS series, LOL!

Edit: MAT Manager installs fairly easily into IL-2 1946 but I know there are extra steps if you are intalling into IL-2 Sturmovik. Furthermore, I don't know how compatible the current MAT Manager version is with older versions of the game. I know these links are compatible with FB/PF v4.04m, the first version I remember installing MAT Manager to.

JG51_Rudel
11-10-2007, 09:24 PM
Its easier to install now thanks to th new all in one v2.36 installer i created.

Skycat_2
11-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Where is this 'all in one' installer Rudel? Is it available to the public?

JG51_Rudel
11-10-2007, 09:29 PM
yes it is follow the link:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9491037606

Feathered_IV
11-11-2007, 12:46 AM
This is one utility that I have been seeing around since day one and have yet to use


I find this incredible. It is the single greatest utility ever created for this sim. Nothing else even comes close.

bigbossmalone
11-11-2007, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by muchaclopiec:
"the stock stuff is a complete joke"...do people ever wonder why Oleg doesent post here anymore???

my original statement reads: 'the stock stuff is a complete joke <span class="ev_code_RED">compared</span> to MAT manager's markings.'

muchaclopiec - if you're going to quote somebody, DO IT PROPERLY. quoting half a statement, the piece you don't like, is pointless. as anybody with half a brain can see, your half-quote does not convey my original statement. the operative word in this case is 'compared'. seeing as you didn't bother to quote that, I'm going to overlook your moronic half-quote, this is the kind of stupidity that leads to unnecessary flaming and arguments. Please, dude, I repeat, if you want to do something, do it properly. btw, Oleg himself endorses MAT manager, and has also rated it as a much better marking system than the original one. So there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

carts
11-11-2007, 01:06 PM
Now heres a thing,try as i might i cant find the "il2fb.exe"in my game folder,and in my confi file under the game section i have no entry for clearcache at all,I had mat manager working on my pre 46 installs no problem,so i must have done something right then,any ideas?

SeaFireLIV
11-11-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by carts:
Now heres a thing,try as i might i cant find the "il2fb.exe"in my game folder,and in my confi file under the game section i have no entry for clearcache at all,I had mat manager working on my pre 46 installs no problem,so i must have done something right then,any ideas?

I think you have to rename the 1946 execute to `il2fb.exe` or `IL2` then it should work.

DuxCorvan
11-11-2007, 02:12 PM
Once you go IL2 MAT Manager You will NEVER go back!

They say the same about the gay thing, and it doesn't tempt me.

But, MAT is great. If only it was easier to setup, and the interface wasn't so confusing... Because this utility has become absolutely necessary for me.

Feathered_IV
11-11-2007, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carts:
Now heres a thing,try as i might i cant find the "il2fb.exe"in my game folder,and in my confi file under the game section i have no entry for clearcache at all,I had mat manager working on my pre 46 installs no problem,so i must have done something right then,any ideas?



I think you have to rename the 1946 execute to `il2fb.exe` or `IL2` then it should work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


One should be called il2fb.exe, make a copy of it and rename the copy il2.exe then put that one in the 1946 folder too. You need to have two in there.

Luke5skywalker4
11-11-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by carts:

and in my confi file under the game section i have no entry for clearcache at all,I had mat manager working on my pre 46 installs no problem,so i must have done something right then,any ideas?

Same, I have 1946 4.08m and there is no "clearcache" in my conf.ini

I followed the above instructions exactly and was confused when I did not find this. I still can not get MAT Manager to work.

FoolTrottel
11-11-2007, 04:44 PM
You can always try and just add that line under the [Game] section.

Luke5skywalker4
11-11-2007, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
You can always try and just add that line under the [Game] section.

Tried that, but I don't know exactly where it is supposed to be in the [Game] section in comparison to those who do have it.

Mine looks like this:

[game]
Arcade=0
HighGore=0
mapPadX=0.66
mapPadY=-0.020952381
viewSet=42
Intro=0
NoSubTitles=0
NoChatter=0
NoHudLog=0
NoLensFlare=0
iconTypes=2
eventlog=eventlog.lst
eventlogkeep=0
3dgunners=1

Skycat_2
11-11-2007, 05:30 PM
About a month ago I reinstalled 1946. I think I dropped a pre-saved conf.ini into my new install, but maybe I started fresh. Anyhow, tonight I found I didn't have a ClearCache= line either.

It is possible that I typed slightly inaccurate advice when I created that simplified instructions. Maybe I meant you have to add ClearCache=0 if you don't have it already, and change it if you have the line but with a different value.

Just paste the line in at the end of the [game] block. It doesn't have to be the last item, BTW, so don't worry about it being in the "wrong place." There are many lines that can be added to the conf.ini that aren't there by default.