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GR142_Astro
12-27-2005, 03:43 PM
In the past I have looked around the interweb for a diagram of the P38 maneuver known as the "cloverleaf," but have never come across anything that looked right.

I decided to whip one up on my own. Expertens, is this basically what the maneuver looks like?



http://members.cox.net/kinetic/P38Cloverleaf.jpg

Hristo_
12-27-2005, 04:30 PM
I think I remember Tommy McGuire shot down 4 Oscars doing a cloverleaf. One Oscar even panicked and stalled into the ground.

Hmm, or was it the other way around ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
12-27-2005, 04:32 PM
Something about a stalled p-38 which is so alluring to MG-151s.

MEGILE
12-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Also, any P-38 pilot flying your diagram would get one serious headache from pushing negative Gs.

F19_Olli72
12-27-2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Also, any P-38 pilot flying your diagram would get one serious headache from pushing negative Gs.

I think you look at the diagram the wrong way, IIRC the the cloverleaf was a horizontal maneuver, the "cloverleaf pattern" was seen from above (or below).

GR142_Astro
12-27-2005, 04:51 PM
Terrific responses to a perfectly neutral question.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh, and megile, I took you for a bit more knowledge than what you've displayed here. This diagram is show from above, looking down on horizontal turn fight. Nobody is pushing negative Gs, the P38 is gently stalling and allowed to naturally recover.

anarchy52
12-27-2005, 05:01 PM
Yep that curve looks like something that could be done in FB. IRL however it's utterly impossible.

It's ridiculous (and I don't mean the pathetic attempt to be funny).

Hristo_
12-27-2005, 05:03 PM
http://www.artthrob.co.za/99apr/images/leonardo.jpg

chris455
12-27-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
I think I remember Tommy McGuire shot down 4 Oscars doing a cloverleaf. One Oscar even panicked and stalled into the ground.

Hmm, or was it the other way around ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Not funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

anarchy52
12-27-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by chris455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
I think I remember Tommy McGuire shot down 4 Oscars doing a cloverleaf. One Oscar even panicked and stalled into the ground.

Hmm, or was it the other way around ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Not funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I found it way funnier then astro's pic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Badsight.
12-27-2005, 05:11 PM
astro , at the orange circle part of your flight path you have the nose going into negative G - apruptly

this is megiles meaning

the cloverleaf flightpath is like what has been posted (poorly drawn) in ORR

berg417448
12-27-2005, 05:15 PM
you guys got it all wrong:

http://www.policedriving.com/burnsflat/BurnsFlat03/cloverleafOutside.MPG http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BSS_Goat
12-27-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
http://www.artthrob.co.za/99apr/images/leonardo.jpg

Isn't that you in the middle Hristo?

MEGILE
12-27-2005, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
astro , at the orange circle part of your flight path you have the nose going into negative G - apruptly


bbbbbbBINGO!

hehe Hristo.. too funny.

Brain32
12-27-2005, 05:58 PM
As a person which actually likes the P38, I can't resist to comment. First of all I don't see any actuall benefit of executing such manouver unless maybe for shooting down total noobs. Also to get such caracteristics from a plane, some drastic improvements would have to be made, I'm not sure a mutant between Harrier and Su-27 could do that...

GR142_Astro
12-27-2005, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
astro , at the orange circle part of your flight path you have the nose going into negative G - apruptly

this is megiles meaning

the cloverleaf flightpath is like what has been posted (poorly drawn) in ORR

I am fairly amazed at how literal this is being taken. The angles at which the stall happens probably should not be DRAWN so sharply.

Basically, the stick is pulled back until the plane GENTLY stalls and the stick is released and the aircraft NATURALLY recovers. This is a very low speed and COMPARATIVELY non-violent move.

Yes this is a last-ditch effort kind of move. Amazing how many trolls have taken over these forums.

Badsight.
12-27-2005, 07:20 PM
your idea of the cloverleaf is probably closer to the 3 leaf kind

but i have heard it described like the ORR diagram before as well

CUJO_1970
12-27-2005, 07:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif This thread cracks me up.

wayno7777
12-27-2005, 09:45 PM
And with a little practice with engine management, you could practically swap ends in level flight. A level flight hammerhead....