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EddieNYC
12-30-2004, 09:50 AM
Going to get Pacific Fighters today. Which Joystick/Gamepad do you recommend getting?

EddieNYC
12-30-2004, 09:50 AM
Going to get Pacific Fighters today. Which Joystick/Gamepad do you recommend getting?

BSR_Dude
12-30-2004, 10:19 AM
What kind of money are you looking at spending? The CH Fighterstick is fantastic. I got mine at newegg.com for $99.

riggs007
12-30-2004, 10:19 AM
definitly get a force fedback! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
it makes the game so much better,i have a microsoft side winder,but im trying a thrustmaster w/throttle"force feedback"
love this sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

DRB_Hookech0
12-30-2004, 10:30 AM
The CH Products Fighterstick is a wonderful stick. They will last long after the others have spiked the pots and are wallowed out in the center. The customer support and programing is superior, and they are a joy to fly with.

I have the Fighterstick, Throttle Quad, Pro Throttle, Pro Rudders, and Flight Yoke. All are USB. I will say that if you have the funds go with CH, you will love them.

If you dont have the funds, then get a stick from Best Buy and make sure you get the extended replacement warrenty. I used to use a Logitech Wingman Cordless, a nice stick....for about 90 days and then the pots start to fail and it had a huge dead zone in the center. With the Best Buy thing....you go back and get a new stick (and buy the extended warrenty) and rinse and repeat. I did this for 2 years running, heck they knew me by name after a while.

actionhank1786
12-30-2004, 10:38 AM
I've just recently gotten the X-45, and while i havent had it long. i've got to say i love it already. It's only been a few weeks, and only a few days of actual game time, but i'm loving the stick and the throttle, not bad for 80 dollars in my opinion.

HotelBushranger
12-30-2004, 10:48 AM
I finally got rid of my old Wingman Extreme, and replaced it with the Logitech Attack 3. This is the, oh whats the word, like the workhorse joystick, nothing too fancy, still works well, and nice and cheap. It has 11 buttons, and a slider throttle. The only bad thing i can think about it is it has no pov hat, so im reduced to occassionally moving the mouse around so i can see. Its $35 Australian, so it would be wat, about $20 American. Its a bargain mate, if you dont have a very big budget.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2221,CONTENTID=6953
In US Dollars, just for you lol

RevvinUK
12-30-2004, 10:51 AM
Like DRB_Hookech0 I have the CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Throttle Quadrant, Flight Sim Yoke and Pro Pedals and enjoy using them in Il-2/PF. I've owned Saitek gear and Thrustmaster (including the Cougar) but it's CH that has worked best for me consistantly over the years.

My previous CH rig was a gameport CH Force FX and Pro Throttle which still work today just as well as the day I bought them. I went USB for the ease of connection and the greatly improved programmability through the CH Control Manager software. The software allows you to use CH devices as plain DirectX devices which you can map in your chosen sim or better still map keys or macro's to buttons in programmed mode and if you really want to take it a step further there is a rather powerful scripting language which allows such things as automated trim functions, fail safe ejection sequences or the ability to turn on the guncam and turn if off after a preset period. Those are just a few examples off the top of my head.

Although I have all the kit I prefer to use the Fighterstick, Throttle Quadrant and Pro Pedals for prop sims like IL-2/PF. I have a profile for Pacific Fighters that has keys mapped to the levers so although some of the levers are set to work as direct joystick axis for controls such as throttle and prop prop pitch some operate the landing gear, arrestor hook or flaps so all I need do is look down at the Throttle Quadrant and I have a visual reference as to the state of these controls. Of course having a set of levers also feels a little more like a WWII warbird.

That's not to say the Pro Throttle is any less useful, it has a handy microstick which can be either used as a mouse to pan your view or it has a nice long 'throw' so if you decided to buy the stick and throttle for the time being and save for the pedals you could map this ministick as a hand operated rudder control.

Should you decide on CH devices then please do drop by a community site I run for CH users which you can find here (http://www.ch-hangar.com). In the forums you'll find many more IL-2/PF players as well as a choice of pre-made profiles you can download and use or easily tweak to suit your own configuration. Help is always on hand to get the best out of your controllers.

You can pick up CH gear for around $100 a piece which puts it at the higher end of the market but due to their quality and durability you'll still be using these in years to come where as the cheaper options are sometimes a false economy. Try Flightsim Central (http://www.flightsimcentral.com/chprodhan.html), or Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm) they have some pretty good offers.

HotelBushranger
12-30-2004, 10:52 AM
actionhank:I've just recently gotten the X-45, and while i havent had it long. i've got to say i love it already. It's only been a few weeks, and only a few days of actual game time, but i'm loving the stick and the throttle, not bad for 80 dollars in my opinion.

Mate, i dunno how you manage to USE that thing! I could prob get used to it, but the X-45 and especially the X-52, just look too complicated, you have to have youre fingers in the right planes, literally 100 buttons! as in far out....lol ill stick with my Attack 3! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cwojackson
12-30-2004, 03:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...just look too complicated...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what Dad said his impression was the first time he sat in something other than a trainer. He was able to make the transition just fine despite his misgivings. Look at the X-45/X-52 as transitioning from a trainer to the real thing.

Personally, I love the X-52. I don't have the hugh dead space some people claim to have. Yes the stick is too loose out of the box (I made a nice spacer that put another quarter inch tension on the spring feels good to me), and yes, you have to finese the stick not slam it around like an arcade control.

I'm still working on developing common control profiles that will be as standard as possible between IL2FS/AEP/FP and FS2004 and am getting close...and yes, while I'm getting use to the transition I have a lot of cheat sheets hanging about...which I'm using less and less.

Bearcat99
12-30-2004, 05:48 PM
I highly recommend that you get either a Saitek X45 or a Saitek X52 with an eye towards getting a set of CH rudder pedals down the line. For the cost of getting a CH fighter stick and throttle you could get a set of CH pedals and an X45 or an X45 and a Track IR. If you prefer a twist handle rudder then get the X-52.... if you get the rudder pedals in a few weeks you can assign that twisthandle to rudder trim. If you dont mind a rocker swithch on the throttle rudder solution you can go with the less expensive X45 and assign that rocker to flaps if you decide to get CH pedals.

The Saiteks are decent sticks and this sim screams out for a HOTAS setup. AFAIC since neither the Saitek nor the CH is a FFB stick the Saitek wins hands down by virtue of bang for buck. Go to your local Best Buy and get an X-45 with a PRP (Product Replacement Plan) for @$12 and you are pretty much gauranteeda decent stick for at least the next 4 years. Replace the one you buy now in 2 years with the PRP even if it is still working. After 2 years it will not be the same as new with everyday use even if you dont notice it in the sim... the electrons will know.

As a final plus for the Saitek/CH setup if you are lucky enough to find a MSFFB2 anywhere for a decent price GET IT. That stick in conjunction with an X45 and a set of CH pedals is hands down the abolute best setup you can get. You get THE premier FFB joystick that is almost indestructable, plus the benifit a a highly programmable HOTAS set up with a fully functional throttle and button bay in the X45 with the immersion of CH rudder pedals. I would show you a picture of exactly what I am talking about but my MOBO is porked at the moment so I am reduced to my wifes PC.

Depending on where you go the X 45 can cost anywhere fron $39-$79 US ... reconditioned on loine they go for $39, however if you are in a hurry you can run to local retail for $79.

Stay away from Logitech though... they dont seem to last very long from my personal experience and the experiences of others I have read.

BSR_Dude
12-30-2004, 06:06 PM
I have the Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and the Pro Pedals. Revvin' and Michael are fantastic and I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask a question and have to wait more than 24 hours.

If you want a quality piece and a fantastic customer support then CH can't be beat.

Tully__
12-30-2004, 06:24 PM
If you have money to burn, CH Products setup (stick, throttle & pedals).

If you have a reasonable budget, Saitek Evo/X-45/X-52 with or without CH Pedals.

If your budget is really tight, Thrustmaster Topgun Fox2 Pro or Afterburner II.

Box-weasel
12-30-2004, 08:32 PM
Cyborg Evo Force $69.95 (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo_force.htm)
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/cyborg_evo_force.jpg I actually like it better than my MSFFB2s.
Flying without FFB is like taking a shower with a raincoat on.

Bearcat99
12-30-2004, 09:09 PM
Oooooooo evo force!! Nice!! I dint even know they had one!! How would you compare the forces to the MSFFB? I have a good one and a spare in my closet so its no issue but I am curious.

Chef-Scott
12-30-2004, 10:54 PM
I will strongly second the Saitek Cyborg evo Force joystick. Got one for christmas (I ordered it and my mother-in-law gave it to me as a gift. LOL) I love it!!! Got mine for $56.99 (US) with free shipping the day Amazon got them in!

I have got to agree, flying without ffb is giving up half of the game.

As for the use of a full HOTAS, I use and love my Nostromo n52 by Belkin. Best $40 I have ever spent. Easy to program anything you want into it.

PapaG39
12-30-2004, 11:26 PM
I have worn out 3 Xaitek X45's & am on my 4th one in less then 2 years. While I do like the many buttons that work very well with IL2, I have always found it very time consuming to fine tune for accurate shooting of the X45 joystick.
you can go into the Il2 conf.ini file & tweak the numbers around to work with some aircraft, but then you go fly something else & those tweaked numbers just don't work well... One aircraft becomes to tight while another aircraft is to loose & sloppy.

I already have TIR & CH pedals so I have been wondering if that CH fighterstick may be the better way to go...

I wonder if my Saitek Power unit would work with the CH Fighterstick though...
decisions, decisions...just to many decisions lol... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

John_Stag
12-30-2004, 11:35 PM
May be a bit off topic, but how does the MSFF compare with the thrustmaster afterburner? I had a thrustmaster; interesting, but didn't seem worth all the fuss;just a wee bit of vibration. I couldn't really tell if it was buzzing because I was firing the guns, are on the threshold of a high-speed stall.

ThePassion1973
01-02-2005, 02:28 AM
You guys sound like pro's in the joystick game.

I have a logitech "Extreme 3d Pro" joystick but the game settings do not allow me to assign a joystick. My PC system recognises it so I am confused. Could you throw some guidelines?

John_Stag
01-02-2005, 07:36 AM
Welcome to the forum, TP. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You can't as you say assign a joystick, but if your stick is plugged in you can assign the buttons and axis on that stick in the Controls section of the game.