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iQv_nuclear
09-03-2006, 09:03 PM
I've made a couple of topics here before, or maybe just one I can't recall. Anyways, I've had this game for almost a year but I never really played that much. I've been playing for about a week now, offline and a little bit online. Offline is mainly target practice, i.e., pecking off friendly AI so I can actually hit something. I also fly a full real compaign for fun.

My main problem, though, is that when I fly online I never survive. I don't even mean that I can't shoot anyone down, I simply don't get that far. Those few situations I actually bring my guns around to bear I miss. Then I get shot down. It is extremely disappointing I will have you know, very discouraging.

So how is one like myself supposed to learn? I've been searching around for tips but there really isn't anything on Google. A few random sites that list different turns and some others with answers to what energy fighting IS (but not how to pull it off). I also noticed there is NOTHING on this site for new pilots, at least not that I've found.

I don't want to be a bother, but I assumed this would be the place to ask for help, seeing as how it is a community forum. I fly the 109 almost exclusively. I don't like turn and burn fighting because it seems very boring and monotonous. I'm 16, from Canada, and need to fly. Help please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS: I have a few of dreyer's old tracks. I watch them and take a bit from them, doesn't help much though.

dieg777
09-03-2006, 09:19 PM
Hi- please realise that there are many many very good players who spend a great deal of time flying on line and have been doing so for years,it can take a lot of time and study to get very good at this game, however there is help at hand- here are some links

check out the guides here

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm

especially In persuit linked here

http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)


also read all the articles by andy bush here

http://www.simhq.com/_air/acc_library.html

If you prefer books then get robert shaws excellent book on fighter combat

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0870210599?v=glance

you can sometimes pick it up on e-bay

when on line try to get on comms using teamspeak and fly wingman with some of the regulers , most servers have a core of friendly fliers who will take time out to help newcomers or check out the squadrons in the squadron forum for ones that suit your style

hope this helps

Dew-Claw
09-03-2006, 09:22 PM
Practice, practice,practice.
then
Practice some more.

iQv_nuclear
09-03-2006, 09:24 PM
Thank you, sir. I will be sure to check out those links you gave me. Unfortunately, due to school and my own personal studies (theology) I haven't the time to read a book on the subject, although I would love to.

Personally, I do not have Pacific Fighters. I have Forgotten Battles AeP, but not the latest. I didn't think it would be worth it to buy since BoB is coming out soon. Thanks again, though.

More replies please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

TeufelHund84
09-03-2006, 09:25 PM
I agree completely with you nuke, as a fellow noob I've had my share of difficulty with this nevertheless fun game.

Unfortunately the only tips I can give (as well as most everyone else on these boards) is that you just gotta keep on practicing. It's a p!ss poor answer I know, and it bugs me to hear it but I do agree with it. Practice, practice, practice. You're already off to a good start by sticking with one aircraft, especially the 109.

And regarding your mention of energy based fighting, I have seen the topic mentioned on these boards countless times, but I too have never actually seen a good procedural explanation. What I've been able to figure out is that energy based combat (aka Boom and Zoom or BnZ) takes advantage of a particular aircraft's superior ability to climb, retain energy, or whatever helps the plane get to high speeds and stay there.

Basically, you use your superior speed/energy to maintain the height advantage (it helps GREATLY if you start there before contacting the enemy) and you swoop down on them like a hawk. On the downward leg of the trip, you will have built up a good deal of speed which you then need to use to get yourself back up to a higher altitude.

Rinse and repeat until the SOB is dead. I don't think the explanation can get much more specific than that because not every combat situation is exactly the same. You will always need to angle yourself different every time, you'll often be at different altitudes, hell you can even do everything right and still lose.
That's where the practice bit comes in.

I believe the 109 is more suited to turn and burn fighting (love those wing slats http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) even though it does have pretty good climb, so if you have a penchant for BnZ combat, try the Focke Wulfs out (this includes the Ta-152, looks like a FW but with much longer body, also it's meant for high altitude fighting).

The only BnZ planes on the allied side that I know of is the P-51, probably the P-38 judging on what the thing looks like, the P-40, the F4U Corsair, and.......that's all I can think of.

I'm sure our fine community members will correct any and all mistakes I've made (and I'm sure there are some). Also, don't worry about being a bother asking for help, these are decent folks on these boards and always seem happy to help with problems, no matter how many times they get asked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Happy hunting and good luck to you.

MaxMhz
09-03-2006, 09:33 PM
Don't give up, keep practicing, try a squadron (in your time zone) that has online practice, and try not to fly alone online.
oh yeah check the links Dieg gave http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Davinci..
09-03-2006, 09:40 PM
Wellcome to the community!

First off, the best advice i could possbily give you is to start out slow. If your new to the game, going straight to online play is probably going to turn you off from the game.. You have to realize some of us have been playing this game litteraly for years(i personaly have been playing since the original il2). I can assure you the first week i had this game a simple ace ai would have bent me over and had its way with me!

You dont get good over night. Unlike other sims/game, this really isnt a hop in and start shooting things up kinda game. For the most part, there is a lot more going on then simply pointing your nose at someone and pulling the trigger!
Just like the saying you need to walk before you can run... you need to be able to fly before you can fight.. A novie pilot(let alone fighter pilot) is going to be easy pickings for almost anyone allready online these days!

You should proably start off just setting up a quick mission with out any enemy air craft at all! litteraly practice flying, practice landings, take offs, and just fly around. Try horizontal turns, vertical loops and such. How can you possibly expect to fight in an aircraft if you havent learned how to really control it?

heh i remember back in the original il2(and the il2 demo) learning to fly the p39(the first aircraft i really spent time flying), and boy did you have to learn how to fly it. If you didnt know just how to fly the thing, trying to fight in it would have you in a flat spin before you finished a turn http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So take your time, learn to fly, then slowly add 1 enemy aircraft at a time(set its difficulty down), and learn to fight. This will take considerably longer, and you really never stop learning. Just 1 enemy at a time, till you get the hang of dog fighting, tracking a target, aiming, shooting(deflection shooting).
The rest will come in time, but this is a good way to start.

Jumping online with only 1 week under your belt will only discourage you from this wonderfull sim. Take your time, and dont be affraid to ask for help online as well. This is a very friendly community, and there a tons of people out there who will hop on an empty server with you and show you the ropes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
09-03-2006, 10:00 PM
Few short pieces of advice.

Get up off the deck...make your attacks by diving onto the enemy and then flying back up. Never let them shoot you. Always climb.

Practice your shooting...aim to be able to hit the plane infront of you in the first second of firing.

Know your plane and that of your enemy and match your technique to the balance therein. Mantain your speed and altitude advantage over him. Never loose that advantage.

iQv_nuclear
09-03-2006, 10:09 PM
You guys are certainly a huge help. I realize it isn't an over night thing, but you have to realize it's disappointing for me to fail at a game. I've played several strategy games, mostly RTS, and have become one of the best players in one. I ranked among the top 50 players in the world. It is very difficult to go to a new game and get shot down every time. Nonetheless, thank you very much for all you've shown me so far. I'm looking over those links and thinking that I'd better get some spare time over the next couple of days to study up.

Thanks again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

karost
09-03-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by MaxMhz:
Don't give up, keep practicing


Yes that is a most key-reccoment you have to put it in your heart .... coz you will get shoot so many and many time.
first easy way is learning your mistake by yourself by review your track file to locate your mistake compare to other player , read many intel. and practices.

S!

CMHQ_Rikimaru
09-04-2006, 12:18 AM
How to make ur skills? Know aircrafts! But no, not really real AC, maybe it can be helpful, but AC in game are different in game, so dont use rl tactic. U like EF? So? U must use ur plane advantages, not try to EF everywhere. Knowledge is most important, U must know ur opponent and urself first, then u will learn and use tactic, so u must know when u have turn, and when keep ur speed up. And like 1337 persons before me said - practicehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DmdSeeker
09-04-2006, 12:51 AM
1) You mention you didn't get PF as you thought the sim didn't have much life left. This, I think most will agree, is a mistake; and the full, merged installation not only offers the maximum of planes; it also opens up a whole range of on line servers. Off line; of course, it's up to you; on-line there's allways an urge to be "current"; so you'll need the full set. Additionaly; PF and it's later patches do make signigicant differences to the flight models.

2) Every one says "practise". They're right, but a single word doesn't help much. Personaly I like to use off line campaigns to really get to know a plane; and there's oodles of user made campaigns available for free down load for the 109. So I'd recommend:
i)Download one of the better made campaigns for the plane of your choice and finish it at the highest difficulty level you can manage.
ii)Review the tracks you made in the campaign. Look at the fights from different angles. Every cockpit has blind spots; and you need to be able to visualise where you opponant is and predict his flight path.
iii) Take the odd flight in what you consider to be your most dangerous opponant. Learn it's strengths and weaknesses in addition to your own plane's.
iv) Use the quick mission builder to sharpen up your dogfight skills.
v)Success is self confirming. Online; make a habit of taking bombs (yes, even the 109 can jabo) so you can at least hurt the enemy; and be prepared to fight your way home. Taking off and diving into the nearest furball is a sure way to disencouragement for the beginner.

3) Contrary to popular belief; mad dogfighting skills are the least important parts of on line success. All the aerobatics in the world won't help if you can't shoot, and all the gunnery in the world won't help you if you don't know where your opponant is.

So:

Learn your plane
Learn to shoot
Learn your opponants plane.
Set your self up for success, not failure.
Have fun! it's a game; not a job; and you can always hit refly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

StellarRat
09-04-2006, 01:06 AM
The biggest mistakes beginners make is not checking six-o'clock (you should do this constantly), too many tight turns for no reason (slows you down), flying too low (I recommend AT LEAST 3000 m for any plane, for some 4000+ is better), and not being patient when picking a target (find someone below you that is alone and going slow) and finally not getting close enough before firing. I like to get to around 100m. At this range their wings will cover the entire sight ring.

You should also be aware that some planes are just not made for turn fighting. I'd probably put the 190 and most of the American planes (except the P-40) in this category. If you plan to make this your favorite planes you need to learn B and Z and stick with it.

slipBall
09-04-2006, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by iQv_nuclear:
I've made a couple of topics here before, or maybe just one I can't recall. Anyways, I've had this game for almost a year but I never really played that much. I've been playing for about a week now, offline and a little bit online. Offline is mainly target practice, i.e., pecking off friendly AI so I can actually hit something. I also fly a full real compaign for fun.

My main problem, though, is that when I fly online I never survive. I don't even mean that I can't shoot anyone down, I simply don't get that far. Those few situations I actually bring my guns around to bear I miss. Then I get shot down. It is extremely disappointing I will have you know, very discouraging.

So how is one like myself supposed to learn? I've been searching around for tips but there really isn't anything on Google. A few random sites that list different turns and some others with answers to what energy fighting IS (but not how to pull it off). I also noticed there is NOTHING on this site for new pilots, at least not that I've found.

I don't want to be a bother, but I assumed this would be the place to ask for help, seeing as how it is a community forum. I fly the 109 almost exclusively. I don't like turn and burn fighting because it seems very boring and monotonous. I'm 16, from Canada, and need to fly. Help please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS: I have a few of dreyer's old tracks. I watch them and take a bit from them, doesn't help much though.


You have to learn basic offensive/defensive moves off-line with AI. Use a rookie enemy AI, set to Empty, to begin with, then after awhile set to rookie armed. Once you can hold your own, you will do better on-line

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/IL-2_manual_UK.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/IL-2_manual_UK2.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/IL-2_manual_UK3.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/IL-2_manual_UK6.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/IL-2_manual_UK7.jpg

carguy_
09-04-2006, 01:13 AM
You could always try the Top Gun thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You know,the thing where they fight against each other to gain superior position.You should decide if you really want to play or not and if the answer is yes,get updated to version 4.05m and ask someone online to help you by doing some 1v1s.

Finally,I think any of us needs someone to learn from as there is always the point when learning from self is not enough.It is the most skilled players with advanced moves,that will give you a boost of skill.

Finally,the 109 is a good plane to learn in.Not too easy,not too hard to fly.You`ll be flyin it in 80% of all LW missions so its definitely the plane to select.LW side is also better to learn a particular fighter since you only have two possible choices if flying a fighter.


The bad news is that most newcomers need time to grow some more,some less.

karost
09-04-2006, 01:38 AM
and soon when you learned to understand the meaning of Energy Tactic vs Turning Tactic and the code of team-play tactics for online fun ....

I sure you can not to stop playing this game for a years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Viper2005_
09-04-2006, 08:22 AM
Step #1 - get patched up to the latest standard

Step #2 - download teamspeak http://www.goteamspeak.com/

Step #3 - download teamspeak overlay
http://www.teamspeakoverlay.com/

Step #3 - get a microphone if you haven't already.

Step #4 - download hyperlobby
http://hyperfighter.sk/

Step #5 - find a dogfight server which also has a teamspeak server. Off the top of my head:

WarClouds
http://www.war-clouds.com/

UK dedicated

Warbirds of Prey
http://www.warbirdsofprey.org/

needless to say there are others.

Now, join the teamspeak server. If it's empty, go elsewhere. If it's populated, join the server. WarClouds is excellent because there are usually people on T/S.

Watch and listen.

You'll hear lots of stuff over T/S. But most importantly you'll be able to ask for help when you get into trouble.

Learn the NATO phonetic alphabet so that you can easily give your grid reference on the map to your friends. This is generally referred to as "Grid".

Then learn the numpad system, to give a more accurate indication of your position within the grid.

789
456
123

Logically enough this is generally referred to as "numpad". So I might give my position as Alpha Charlie 16 numpad 3.

When you are attacked and need help, you need to give an short and accurate message to your team mates. I suggest:


MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY <<CALLSIGN>> under attack in <<GRID>> <<NUMPAD>> at <<ALTITUDE>>. Will drag <<DIRECTION>>. Bandit(s) is/are <<TYPE>>.

You'll want to drag bandits towards the nearest friendly base as a rule.

Makes sure that teamspeak works by asking for a radiocheck when you join the channel:


<<CALLSIGN>> Radiocheck

But make sure not to "step" on anybody, especially if they are requesting assistance. You can wait until there's a lull.

You'll find that in general, you'll want your teamspeak set to push to talk (PTT). Otherwise background noise can and does pollute comms, making you very unpopular with your team mates, who may mute, kick or even ban you.

At this stage, you should be flying around, probably getting shot down a lot, and perhaps sometimes getting a kill or two. Keep working at it. It's not easy, very few people pick it up quickly, and many of the people you're flying against are extremely good!

Always check 6, especially low 6.

Never get low and slow at the same time.

Record tracks of your flights and learn from your mistakes.

Step #6 Buy track IR 4. It's awesome and will considerably improve your SA.

Step #7 Buy Shaw's excellent book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0870210599?v=glance

Step #8 Consider improving other aspects of your rig, especially your stick and rudder pedals. I use a modded Cougar (FSSB R2) and it gives me a very real advantage. Next stop simpeds!

Never stop learning!

danjama
09-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by iQv_nuclear:
I've made a couple of topics here before, or maybe just one I can't recall. Anyways, I've had this game for almost a year but I never really played that much. I've been playing for about a week now, offline and a little bit online. Offline is mainly target practice, i.e., pecking off friendly AI so I can actually hit something. I also fly a full real compaign for fun.

My main problem, though, is that when I fly online I never survive. I don't even mean that I can't shoot anyone down, I simply don't get that far. Those few situations I actually bring my guns around to bear I miss. Then I get shot down. It is extremely disappointing I will have you know, very discouraging.

So how is one like myself supposed to learn? I've been searching around for tips but there really isn't anything on Google. A few random sites that list different turns and some others with answers to what energy fighting IS (but not how to pull it off). I also noticed there is NOTHING on this site for new pilots, at least not that I've found.

I don't want to be a bother, but I assumed this would be the place to ask for help, seeing as how it is a community forum. I fly the 109 almost exclusively. I don't like turn and burn fighting because it seems very boring and monotonous. I'm 16, from Canada, and need to fly. Help please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS: I have a few of dreyer's old tracks. I watch them and take a bit from them, doesn't help much though.

You see this stuff used to be stickied, until the mods unstickied it! Those bastard mods http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Join me on my quest to resticky the stickies!

rnzoli
09-04-2006, 09:06 AM
Unfortunately, due to school and my own personal studies (theology) I haven't the time to read a book on the subject,

Well, maybe you'll not like this message now, but I will be straight with you.

If you are short on time, give up now, or at least shelf your ambitions to become a recognizably good online Bf109 pilot. Unless you have 5-10 hours to burn every week, you are going to be the practice drone of almost everyone else online, in the next 6 months. This game has a learning curve of the Himalayas and only a few can reach the top, the ones who sacrifice almost everything else, their jobs, their spare time, their families, their close friends.

In short: consider that online success comes at a price that you might not want to pay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

mrsiCkstar
09-04-2006, 09:23 AM
What was the name of that online IL2 school thing where they held courses?

nuclear dude should definitely sign up there!

iQv_nuclear
09-04-2006, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
If you are short on time, give up now, or at least shelf your ambitions to become a recognizably good online Bf109 pilot.

My goal never was to to become "a recognizably good online Bf109 pilot". I simply didn't want to get shot down every time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although I see where you're coming from, thanks but no thanks.

And much thanks to everyone else. I didn't realize there was this much information (in book/online reading form). I'm going to go buy PF next time I'm out. Unfortunately, school starts tomorrow.

rnzoli
09-04-2006, 09:37 AM
Please don't get me wrong, I am happy that you are here and ready to learn. I just wanted to make sure that you know what you are up to.

Here is the link to the flight school mentioned earlier:

http://www.joint-ops.com/

Showing things in practice is the best way to learn, tons of reading is nothing compared to that.

WOLFMondo
09-04-2006, 10:16 AM
My advice: Join closed pit server like warclouds, Zeke vs Wildcat, Spits vs 109s or Winds of War (don't learn on servers with externals on, too many use F6 which kills all the immersion and doesn't teach you anything!), get on their teamspeak server and talk to the guys your flying with and wing up with someone and follow and watch them.

It might be jumping in at the deepend but in the end you'll be a much better virtual pilot...and get to meet people in the community.

Also, the QMB is your best freind for learning. Uberdaemons mission builder is also a very good tool for practising offline.

slappedsilly
09-04-2006, 10:54 AM
What little I've learned so far: Always try to be the one to pick the fight. Don't pick a fight when you don't have the advantage. Running away when someone else has the advantage works well.

Bearcat99
09-04-2006, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by iQv_nuclear:
My goal never was to to become "a recognizably good online Bf109 pilot". I simply didn't want to get shot down every time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although I see where you're coming from, thanks but no thanks.

And much thanks to everyone else. I didn't realize there was this much information (in book/online reading form). I'm going to go buy PF next time I'm out. Unfortunately, school starts tomorrow.

My suggestions are:
1)Lower your expectations and make it a bit easier on yourself. Try flying with more relaxed settings until you get better. By morte relaxed I mean say... a closed pit but with icons.... A lot of that depends on your rig. I f you have a good rig that will render the aircraft well then thats a plus. But be aware that it will take lots of practice.... and that means time.. so an hour a day is good enough to really show improvement in a few weeks time...

2)Consider flying in coops. It is a more rookie friendly environment and in a lot of coops the opposition is usually a mix of AI and human. The DF servers udsually have the most competitive and bloodthirsty among us waiting with baited breath for fresh meat.

CMHQ_Rikimaru
09-04-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by iQv_nuclear:

2)Consider flying in coops. It is a more rookie friendly environment and ina lot of coops the opposition is usually a mix of AI and human. The DF servers udsually have the most competitive and bloodthirsty among us waiting with baited breath for fresh meat.

If u are talking about virtual wars(yes, coops), then u are totally wrong, and its opposite situation, best pilots flys there.

tomtheyak
09-04-2006, 12:05 PM
Hi nuclear! Try this thread for size...
Surviving the online dogfight (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6261082574)

The tips from a lot of good pilots here and also explained in slightly more depth.

Best of luck chum!

Bearcat99
09-04-2006, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by CMHQ_Rikimaru:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iQv_nuclear:

2)Consider flying in coops. It is a more rookie friendly environment and ina lot of coops the opposition is usually a mix of AI and human. The DF servers udsually have the most competitive and bloodthirsty among us waiting with baited breath for fresh meat.

If u are talking about virtual wars(yes, coops), then u are totally wrong, and its opposite situation, best pilots flys there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nuclear didnt post that .. I did... and I said Coops... not Virtual Wars.. if I meant Virtual Wars I would have said Virtual Wars.

BaronUnderpants
09-04-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
My advice: Join closed pit server like warclouds, Zeke vs Wildcat, Spits vs 109s or Winds of War (don't learn on servers with externals on, too many use F6 which kills all the immersion and doesn't teach you anything!), get on their teamspeak server and talk to the guys your flying with and wing up with someone and follow and watch them.

It might be jumping in at the deepend but in the end you'll be a much better virtual pilot...and get to meet people in the community.

Also, the QMB is your best freind for learning. Uberdaemons mission builder is also a very good tool for practising offline.


Honestly, closed pit servers, limited icons/no icons and so fourth is hardly the best place for him/anyone to start if he wanna avoid getting shot down all the time, is it.

If u want some fun, get a chance to shoot at something use WW servers by all means. Learning to fly, see your opponent, understand whats going on isnt helped by hard core simmers with the whole nine yards of doodas ( peddals, Track Ir and so on ) who will swoope down on u so fast your head will spinn, and while its spinning u wont see a singel trace of what hit u.

Everybody uses F6 on WW servers, so what..so can u.

Pay no mind to the closed pit vs WW stuff and its pros and cons. U can fully dedicate your time to Full Real right from the bat but as someone said before, this game has a steep learning curve..much like Himelayas and constricting yourselfe to closed pits only, pretty much means u have to climb the mountain to get to the foot of the steep learning curve.

Or even better...as outragouse as it may sound, try both and find out what helps U the most.

No ofence intended Wolf.

major_setback
09-04-2006, 06:20 PM
Energy!
Start off with simple manouvres, I've tried to show friends how to fly and they often try turning too hard, which leads them to losing energy too fast and stalling/spinning.

Height is your friend, it's your potential energy (speed). Gradually build up speed and gain height before trying manouvres. You will lose energy as you turn, especially in a hard turn. Turn sparingly, and dive to gain more speed. Remember that your engine will also give you energy, but let it have enough time for speed to build up, don't bleed off all your energy.

Lots of people who fly online are excellent virtual pilots, so don't be put off by being shot down. Some people play for hours each day. They can still be beaten in time though, especially if you play intelligently. ex. Don't go after anyone if it means someone can sneak in behind you. It's better to take a quick passing shot at someone and carry on going, than to try and outurn an experienced flyer. You can always come back into the fight again later.

I had played for years offline before flying FB online, but was still shot down all the time when I first went online; ALL THE TIME!! I hated it.

Use your rudder. Gradually add rudder (or vary it) as you turn so that you are not turning as if you were on rails in the sky - this makes the moves too predictable.
Use opposite rudder too!! By this I mean turn the rudder the opposite way you would normally do in a turn, this makes the plane 'slip' sideways. This is useful in evading shots.

Shoot a long way ahead of your opponent if he is moving at an angle to you. Otherwise he's gone by the time the bullets reach where he was.
This takes real skill and timing, and should be practiced offline. If you can do this you will get him when he's not expecting it (he will mainly expect shots from behind), and you won't even need to outturn him.

Using unlimited ammo is great for practice.

Good luck!

rnzoli
09-05-2006, 01:06 AM
practice tips for newcomers, a formerly sticky thread

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/890...901086932#8901086932 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8901086932/r/8901086932#8901086932)


one of the best resource for beginners on almost all topics
http://www.airwarfare.com

karost
09-05-2006, 03:58 AM
the first skills for a virtual wwii pilots is a shooting skill and to shoot a moving targets with alot of fun you need to develop defection shooting skill. it's fun because you no need to start behind your target to shoot. you will meet a lot of markmans out there in DF server and you will see how they shoot at you from a difference direction which you can review from track file.

so if you see they can do , it mean you can do too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
airwarfare.com->deflection shooting (http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/deflection_guide.htm)
learn and practice to shoot them back with fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!