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chunkylovepony
12-21-2003, 01:29 PM
I have been flying this plane exclusively for a while now and I must say, I really like it. My question is what do others think of this plane and is it considered a noob plane?

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chunkylovepony
12-21-2003, 01:29 PM
I have been flying this plane exclusively for a while now and I must say, I really like it. My question is what do others think of this plane and is it considered a noob plane?

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Lunix
12-21-2003, 01:31 PM
Interesting question. P40 has a lot of qualities that lend itself "n00b" friendly. I have been flying this bird quite often lately and I have found that there are some subtleties to the FM which lead me to believe it will be a fun plane to "master".

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resev
12-21-2003, 02:13 PM
There is nothing n00bish about the P-40.

Fly it and enjoy it.

Me, i don't fly it, but only because i don't feel like it, not because it is or not worthy.

I fly the P-39 myself, and i've flown it since day 1, and nowadays many peaople complain about how easy to fly it since the FM was reviewed.
To those people that see the 39 as a n00b plane, all i've got to say to them is kiss my rebel ***, because i've flown it since it behaved worse than a Cesna in the middle of a tropical storm, at the epicenter of a tornado in the bermuda triangle, and had to endure with it until the FM was fized recently.
After kissing my ***, if thats not enough, we can allways solve our problems up there in a civilized way.

Cheers.

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ElAurens
12-21-2003, 02:30 PM
Anyone who calls the P40 a n00b plane is totally clueless. It is slow, accelerates poorly at best, has the climb rate of an elephant on a greasy rope, overheats quickly, and will catch you with a snap stall if you are not carefull.

I love it. I fly it almost exclusively. If you master it's quirks it is an effective fighting tool.

The real n00bs are all the guys in F4s and P51s who underestimate it, and think they are going to get an easy kill.

Be Sure!

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chunkylovepony
12-21-2003, 02:38 PM
Well folks, I am a noob and I love the plane. Its good to have some acknowledgement that the plane is not easy to fly. So if it is not a noob plane, what does that make me? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Any suggestions? I sooo need to be labeled.

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resev
12-21-2003, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chunkylovepony:
Well folks, I am a noob and I love the plane. Its good to have some acknowledgement that the plane is not easy to fly. So if it is not a noob plane, what does that make me? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Any suggestions? I sooo need to be labeled. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I guess a proper term would be:

"Balls of Steel"

You take it as you wish.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
12-21-2003, 03:15 PM
Without question the P-40 is modeled much better now (as it should be). But n00b plane? Its lack of speed and power will get n00bs killed. Its better and handles like a dream imo but it is still not a plane that n00bs can just jump into and find success...that would be the LAs and possibly the Ki84...imho. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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RedDeth
12-21-2003, 03:38 PM
there is no noob plane . the easy to fly planes like yaks and LAs arent uber anymore so are risky to fly. your not a noob to fly those....your brave. big difference . and your especially brave to fly the p40

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necrobaron
12-21-2003, 03:43 PM
Though personally I think the P-40 handles incredibly well now(which it should),that nasty snap stall she has might scare some noobs away. Regardless,I love that bird...

Demolisher_
12-21-2003, 04:01 PM
P40s aren't n00b planes, they're targets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ketalar
12-21-2003, 04:32 PM
I wouldn't call the P-40 a n00b plane even though they made it kinder. It's a lot nicer to fly now than it used to be. I remember the days when roll rate was low and vicious stall rate was high. Ahh...those were the days... I often fly with a friend who's into the 109's. We crank up a 1-vs-1 and go at it with the same plane models. Usually when we go up in P-40's it ends with me firing at him and him pulling into a turn too hard and stalling into the P-40-Tumble(R). Fun to watch...for me...

Still, if it's available I will fly the P-40 exclusively, regardless of model (lately I've tended to choose the E). I just love it to death, and as others have mentioned, once you get to know her you start having fun together. I've downed players in -44 models, just wait for them to make a mistake and hose them with .50's.


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arcadeace
12-21-2003, 04:42 PM
The P-40 is an interesting example; it takes off well, lands well and flight handling is easy to control. It's not the greatest in the midst of a dog fight, but I didn't think any 'n00b' plane was. Maybe you should have asked what characteristic qualify a n00b a/c?

p1ngu666
12-21-2003, 04:44 PM
looks like a underwater dog
its not a n00b plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
12-21-2003, 05:10 PM
I wouldn't consider really any plane aside from maybe the La-7 to be an easy plane to fly.

The P-40 is fairly solid and stable and its a good plane to start in if you want to iron out your bad habits right away. You'll learn lots of bad habits if you start with the La-7 for instance but I guess thats besides the point.

As it goes right now the P-40 is a good contender although its definately going to stall and spin if you really get out of controlled flight. It'd say it's an interesting plane to master if you can.

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chunkylovepony
12-21-2003, 05:27 PM
Ketalar, that is a picture of my dog taken with a webcam I bought at a yard sale for 5 bucks. She too likes the P-40. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LeadSpitter_
12-21-2003, 08:28 PM
Its not the plane if you turn fight down low with a 190 vs a p40 whos the noob, seems the majority of online fighting is just turn fighting downlow, above 6000 you will find the good pilots

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ElAurens
12-21-2003, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
above 6000 you will find the good pilots

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No, you will just find the pilots who are good above 6000. A subtle difference. To say that there are no good pilots who fly at low altitude is merely opinion on your part.

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GoodKn1ght
12-22-2003, 01:25 AM
i disagree with both of you, above 6k you find the BORED pilots. ;P

Eagle_361st
12-22-2003, 01:36 AM
Hardly bored, you will find me diving on the unsuspecting yankers and bankers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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resev
12-22-2003, 03:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Hardly bored, you will find me diving on the unsuspecting yankers and bankers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You just gave another example for bored pilots, those who can't handle the heat down below.

Above 6K you will only find pilots riding in interceptors that behave like crap when going low.

Give it as many turns has you wish, as you will only find me below 3K, and if you want me, you will have to chase me down, but if you chase me, i will go down even further and drag you with me, until i start lawnmowing and force you to overshoot with the speed you gathered.
If you start going easy on the throttle, your mine, if you don't, you'l never catch me eiher way, and you'l bleed energy like nobody's buisness, until i can get the upper hand in little more than 3 minutes, and start my move slowly to see if you continue to make the mistake of following me down below.
All i have to do at this point is either dance around, or position myself for the kill and see if you try to evade, wish will make you loose even more energy, and if you start to climb to gather more air beetween you and the ground, you will only become a sitting duck waiting for redemption.

If i have a wingman, i can cut all i said in half.
If you also have a wingman, instead of one sitting duck, i will have two.


This is hardly a pipe dream, only the drag and bag tactic that hardly ever fails.

This is the ETO, not the PTO.
High altitude fights will not work with aircrafts that were made for low level fights.
All one has to do is never fly straight for more than 30 seconds, and if the first B&Z fails, your bounty will be lost.

As you said, you will be found diving on the unsuspecting yankers and bankers, but if you mess with the ones who know how to take advantage of they'r low level machines, you won't have much of a chance with B$Z.



Of course if you dive on pilots riding low on high altitude aircrafts, then you will get them easily. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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FI_Crazy
12-22-2003, 03:54 AM
My opinion&gt; There are no 'noob planes'.

Each plane takes time to truly master. As for the P-40 it was my fav plane for a good while, and there's nothing noobish about it. Good plane, and it takes time to master. I call it a challenge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
12-22-2003, 04:30 AM
Absolutely agree with Crazy there. I wonder if any Russian La-7 aces ever tuned into the German radio freqs and listened to them bitterly complain that the La-7 was a noob plane! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif IT AIN'T THE PLANE! I'm not bashing or praising any one plane, but if a certain plane is designed better than another, then don't knock the pilot for flying it. Otherwise we would still be flying the Wright Flyer.

I find it hilarious when somebody says "Well, I fly the _____. I don't fly NOOB La's, Yaks and such! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So humble of them. Want a plane that most anything can outurn and outclimb? Strap on a Jug. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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AFJ_Skyghost
12-22-2003, 04:59 AM
Ola Resev, tudo bem? Bom Natal!!!

Now in english:

I cannot agree less with what you're saying about the BnZ.
The way yoy say you fight is exactly the same way we find lots of guys doing in AFJ server... and they kept getting shoot down.
Your moves can result against unexperienced BnZ pilots, not with those who have been doing it for the past five or six years.
If the BnZ pilot has experience enough he will go down and up without loosing his energy waiting your distraction or your error.
On another occasions the BnZ pilot will try to drag you up on a climb or drag you to a tail pursuit just to give you as target to his wing man who is already diving on your tail at 900 km/h to kill you.
The BnZ pilot can choose who, where and when to attack and can also depend on his high wingmans to save his arse if he finds himself in trouble.
The BnZ is bored? maybe, but the truth is it works, it's effective and allows you to kill more times than get killed. And I believe this is the main objectiv in this sim

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resev
12-22-2003, 05:50 AM
Skyghost old pal, long time no see, a fat salute and Merry Christmas to you too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Skyghost:
I cannot agree less with what you're saying about the BnZ.
The way yoy say you fight is exactly the same way we find lots of guys doing in AFJ server... and they kept getting shoot down.
Your moves can result against unexperienced BnZ pilots, not with those who have been doing it for the past five or six years.
If the BnZ pilot has experience enough he will go down and up without loosing his energy waiting your distraction or your error.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to count with the experience on both sides, the experienced B&Zer pursuer will be searching for a target, but the experienced D&Ber won't be stupid enough to wait for a move on the atacker and will allways be on his toes if he suspects that he is beeing watched.
You know very well that, at those speeds, the shortest stick motion from the person under atack can easily force the enemy to overshoot.
If the B&Zer fails the frst strike, not only will he be wasting ammo, but he will also reveal his position to the person under atack, and surely he will know where you'l be coming from next and be ready to take a shot at you himself, or letting his wingman to use him as lead spotter while he positions for a shot.
The atacker can pull back up easily, but he will allways have to keep is speed way up if he is expecting to make a second run while his target is allready waiting for him to do that.
The lower the D&Ber goes, the harder will be for the B&Zer to keep his atack effective and at the same time giving him enough headroom to go back up unhindered.

Of course 50 or 60 well spot bullets is enough to destroy an enemys craft while B&Zing if he gets the upper hand on the first unsusopected strike, but at the same time, 50 or 60 bullets on a lead shot will be all it take for the D&Ber to trow at you while you pull back up, regardless of how fast you may go, not to mention that you'r aircraft will be under much more dynamic tension than the craft beeing pursued because of the speed and Gforce, making it easier for a wing to snap off.
Of course this is all "pretty" IRL, but it does seem to affect the crafts on the game as well.

We can't all be Hartmans and Preddys in the game, but we can inmdeed gain experience from past encounters, and act accordingly by using that experience in future.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On another occasions the BnZ pilot will try to drag you up on a climb or drag you to a tail pursuit just to give you as target to his wing man who is already diving on your tail at 900 km/h to kill you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same thing is ditto about the D&Ber wingman, he can use is pal's craft to line up for a shot of chance, not to mention that he will have the upper hand of having you fly straight into his aim, all he has to do is squeeze the trigger.
If you'r wingman his taking care of the enemy's wingman, than the fight will become a 1x1 for both participants, so you won't have that lead of a drag climb, if at all the enemy chooses to keep his climb for long, knowing that he will loose a lot of energy and speed, wich in my case i do not risk it for long, only enough to take a shot.

Regardless of whom, no one can fly faster than a bullet, and experienced pilots on both sides will not be easy prey on either side.
There is no guaranteed results for either pilots.
There is the craft, there is the gun and there is the pilot, if all are used to its limit, the result will be that of pure chance.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The BnZ pilot can choose who, where and when to attack and can also depend on his high wingmans to save his arse if he finds himself in trouble.
The BnZ is bored? maybe, but the truth is it works, it's effective and allows you to kill more times than get killed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did i ever said that it wasn't effective? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If one uses an high alt. interceptor and keeps his speed way up and remains at high altitudes at all times, he WILL have the upper hand, but if for any reason he remains more than 30 seconds on deck for the kill, he will be chewed by the pure T6Bers, wich if using D&B tactics, will be as effective as any B&Zer.

Using the oldest cliché avaiable, i'm not talking about the plane, i'm talking about the pilot AND the plane he uses.



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F19_Ob
12-22-2003, 06:47 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chunkylovepony:
I have been flying this plane exclusively for a while now and I must say, I really like it. My question is what do others think of this plane and is it considered a noob plane?

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Sure many will call it that bcause it turns better than the 109, ofcourse most allied planes do.... and the armament is good, not superstrong but the sprayincapability assures at least some hits.... and those few hits are enough to cripple a 109, and then he is normally finished or atleas incapable of fighting.

I choose the 109 my self though