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Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 08:09 AM
Hello everyone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1C realised their original list of unique London buildings was a bit too sketchy, and now they are planning to model more and more of them. Hopefully London will be filled with many historically accurate and recogniseable targets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Unfortunately these buildings cannot be modeled by the photos we have or can be found on the internet. Google, Flickr, Ukheritage, whatever, they only show the interesting front part of buildings in most cases. To model everything the same high standard we need very good photos of every single side of a building has. To make it short, 1C (and I, as the modeler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) is in need of someone from or around London, who has free time, will to help, a camera, a tripod or firm hands (blurry photos are useless) to photograph around the buildings on the list. Payment will be discussed as soon as the final list is completed, so that we all can see how many buildings will it be. Only external photos are needed, and some of the buildings are mostly covered, with the exception of courts, back walls or sided, still it would definitely take a couple days. Anyone interested, please mail me at: szalai.viktor@saturnsoft.hu
Thanks in advance

Zoom2136
07-25-2007, 08:19 AM
Well guess we know that SOW-BOB will not be available in 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-25-2007, 08:20 AM
Come on you Brits...pony up!

Chop Chop...we're waiting.

Capt.LoneRanger
07-25-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Zoom2136:
Well guess we know that SOW-BOB will not be available in 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


LOL - I bit my lips to not answer the same. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

rhinomonkey
07-25-2007, 08:23 AM
Hi, i am a keen photographer and i live in london. I would be very interested in this. I have emailed you

thanks

Deadmeat313
07-25-2007, 08:31 AM
Yaaay! Go rhinomonkey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif


I'd love to be able to get onboard the project in any way, but I live 300 miles away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif


T.

T_O_A_D
07-25-2007, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by rhinomonkey:
Hi, i am a keen photographer and i live in london. I would be very interested in this. I have emailed you

thanks

I hope you have a bloody Bicycle or a horse, Gas is going to eat you alive.

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 09:46 AM
Shouldnt mods show us all an example of staying on-topic ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

danjama
07-25-2007, 09:49 AM
Is camera supplied?

T_O_A_D
07-25-2007, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
Shouldnt mods show us all an example of staying on-topic ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Why would his transportation to tackle this task not be on topic?

Without transportation, he will not be able to even do it much justice at all.

Airmail109
07-25-2007, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jutocsa:
Shouldnt mods show us all an example of staying on-topic ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Why would his transportation to tackle this task not be on topic?

Without transportation, he will not be able to even do it much justice at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a bike, Im an expirenced street rider and XC cyclist so could get around quickly...was thinking of doing cycle courying and I have a DSLR and am fairly proficient with it. So if theyll pay for my train fair and a little extra for my time I'd be quite happy. Im a student and skint as hell.

If not give it to the first guy

rhinomonkey
07-25-2007, 09:57 AM
Ive got several good cameras and a fast bicycle! i work in central london so ive got access to anywhere in the centre of london and it stays light until late at this time of year so im confident that i can can the pics required!

Airmail109
07-25-2007, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by rhinomonkey:
Ive got several good cameras and a fast bicycle! i work in central london so ive got access to anywhere in the centre of london and it stays light until late at this time of year so im confident that i can can the pics required!

Give it to that guy

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 10:08 AM
Listen, why dont all of you who is interested write me, maybe it would be a good idea to distribute the buildings among more ppl, to make sure it is done as soon as possible. So please, if you want to take part, drop me a mail. Its better to have more people anyway to make sure 1C will come to an agreement with at least one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
And no, camera isnt supplied, sorry. If id be in a position of giving you a camera, I could do the job myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But unfortunately all the cheap plane tickets to London are booked till September.

No601_prangster
07-25-2007, 10:28 AM
Jutocsa you don't need a photographer just use http://local.live.com

Centre the map on London and press the 'birdseye' button. Now you can view anywhere in london from a 45 degree angle from the north, south, east & west, you can even zoom in. Simple!

http://www.ijeremiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/locallive.jpg

stalkervision
07-25-2007, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Zoom2136:
Well guess we know that SOW-BOB will not be available in 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by No601_prangster:
Jutocsa you don't need a photographer just use http://local.live.com

Centre the map on London and press the 'birdseye' button. Now you can view anywhere in london from a 45 degree angle from the north, south, east & west, you can even zoom in. Simple!

http://www.ijeremiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/locallive.jpg


Geez...give a photographer a chance to make a crust why don't you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Guys like you are all the same..."you don't need a hand-loom weaver to do that, just go to the mill......."

And look where that led us to...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 11:25 AM
Thanks Prangster, it might be simple but it is also mostly useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The only thing where it could be good is camera matching but thats plays a role after modelling.(still im saving it thx) Top views like Google Earth are good a bit, but nothing birds-eye can stand for high-resolution straight angle shots of every walls. So dont worry all you camera jocks...we still need you a lot. Unless satellite images can show me walls from 90degree angle.

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 11:38 AM
Jutocsa, why do you need such detail in the modelling of the buildings. I imagine that we will not be able to see these details unless we fly at building level over London. or Are you preparing a cinematic with pilots outside the royal mews?
Should we expect the same level of detail for all the map?

SeaFireLIV
07-25-2007, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
Unfortunately these buildings cannot be modeled by the photos we have or can be found on the internet. Google, Flickr, Ukheritage, whatever, they only show the interesting front part of buildings in most cases. To model everything the same high standard we need very good photos of every single side of a building has.

Reminds me of the odd times when I`d take my camera out to take pics of streets, buildings, traffic for some art project or other. I`d end up scoping out the entire building to get the full 3D view (except above). You really do need everything even if only part of the building might be mostly shown.

Unfortunately I don`t live round London any more.

Come on you Londoners! Less negativity! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 11:48 AM
If you are modeling/texturing, first you need to see every tiny detail, to decide what should you keep, what can be done, and what cant be. You have seen the examples (Tower Bridge and Parliament) thats the detail you can expect on unique buildings, but to ensure that I need very high res photos first. Also...in case you fly at building level over London, would you prefer ugly buildings ? I wouldnt thats for sure. But please everyone, dont turn this to another "Do we need this level of detail on the ground" thread, read enough of that in Foo.bars locomotive thread..

bhunter2112
07-25-2007, 12:05 PM
so this game is never going to hit the market....great

MEGILE
07-25-2007, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
so this game is never going to hit the market....great

shoo fly, don't bother me

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
so this game is never going to hit the market....great

Yes it wont. Ever. The fact that reference material is still being searched and lots of effort is still being put into the game is just another sign for that.

pathetic

Airmail109
07-25-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
so this game is never going to hit the market....great

Decent developers work like maniacs on games right up until the very few weeks before release.

All the GREAT games have massive delays, eg HL2 or Oblivion.

Spore has been delayed until 2009, possibly one of the most innivotive games Ive ever seen
Halo 3 has.
Mass Effect which is set to be stunning has.
BioShock has.

The list of decent games being delayed or having long development times is endless.

MB_Avro_UK
07-25-2007, 01:10 PM
I'm interested and I've done a number before for free... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
If you are modeling/texturing, first you need to see every tiny detail, to decide what should you keep, what can be done, and what cant be. You have seen the examples (Tower Bridge and Parliament) thats the detail you can expect on unique buildings, but to ensure that I need very high res photos first. Also...in case you fly at building level over London, would you prefer ugly buildings ? I wouldnt thats for sure.
cool, thanks. So we should expect quite a few such unique buildings. At last we'll be able to tell where we are just by looking at landmarks.

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
I'm interested and I've done a number before for free... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro


Someone trying to make a living as a photographer will love you...do you do weddings "free" too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This is a "professional" commission from someone that is earning MONEY for his skill, the photographer has every right to make a few bob as well.

Geez everyone with a digital thinks they're a photographer these days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MEGILE
07-25-2007, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:


Someone trying to make a living as a photographer will love you...do you do weddings "free" too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This is a "professional" commission from someone that is earning MONEY for his skill, the photographer has every right to make a few bob as well.

Geez everyone with a digital thinks they're a photographer these days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Take a pen1s. Insert said pen1s into mouth. Rinse, repeat, die.

trumper
07-25-2007, 02:00 PM
I will be in London Saturday [Weather permitting] and will probably walk most the embankment and around Pall Mall and Trafalgar Sq area.I will take some bits and pieces if you need me to.
Surely buildings will need the "above" type shots as in the web page linked on page 1,after all the planes fly above the buildings. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Anyway you will be welcome to anything i tae but i doubt it would be much better for access to all sides than an average tourist type photo.
If you have anything specific in mind let me know.
No promises as i am out with the family but if i can help i will. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 02:01 PM
Fluffy you have some interesting Irish "terrorist" photos I see. Good job.

MEGILE
07-25-2007, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Fluffy you have some interesting Irish "terrorist" photos I see. Good job.

Hahaha neural.

you are the kind of guy who sleeps with his wife, and buys him a beer.

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 02:04 PM
No, I really liked them. So, who will do the job?

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 02:09 PM
Could u keep this clean of this offtopic sh't please ? thx

And no need to mock Avro UK, he did a great job on lots of buildings already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:


Someone trying to make a living as a photographer will love you...do you do weddings "free" too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This is a "professional" commission from someone that is earning MONEY for his skill, the photographer has every right to make a few bob as well.

Geez everyone with a digital thinks they're a photographer these days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Take a pen1s. Insert said pen1s into mouth. Rinse, repeat, die. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WoW! Megile you are brave coming in this forum and stating that,if thats "your thing" go for it, but really I think most reasonable people really dont want to hear about your twisted little peccadilloes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Who will do the job ? I got 2-3 mails from here, and Monstad, the Screenshotart guy, my old mate offered his help too. Id prefer giving it to more than one guy, for the sake of speed, but after all it will come down to Oleg and who will he make an agreement with. Im not responsible for discussing the amount of payment im just collecting people for the job, and will instruct them. The more the better for me thats for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 02:14 PM
<STRIKE>Ok, I repeat. Have you decided who will do it?</STRIKE> I volunteer too if needed. For free obviously.

edit: Saw your reply. I guess I shouldn't take part. Better someone who will be paid.

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Guys at least take a token amount plus expenses of course. I can't think of any other MULTINATIONAL business that gets its photographs for "free", I don't think some of you are au fe with copyright law or reproduction fees.

Really before agreeing to ANYTHING make sure you are clear about the LEGALITIES of print reproduction and COPYRIGHT.

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 02:22 PM
Do as you wish mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just because you dont ask money for it, there is room for more help, should you want to... like photographing generic London houses, shops, anything thats contemporary...large terrace buildings, etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
Guys at least take a token amount plus expenses of course. I can't think of any other MULTINATIONAL business that gets its photographs for "free", I don't think some of you are au fe with copyright law or reproduction fees.

Really before agreeing to ANYTHING make sure you are clear about the LEGALITIES of print reproduction and COPYRIGHT.
You probably don't know that this sim exists because of the endless free work hours we've provided to it. Applications, Guides, Maps, Planes, ...


Originally posted by Jutocsa:
Do as you wish mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just because you dont ask money for it, there is room for more help, should you want to... like photographing generic London houses, shops, anything thats contemporary...large terrace buildings, etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
OK, I'll try to do so during the weekend. Your request is easy (if the weather cooperates).

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 02:25 PM
I approve of the last post...although I understand Fluffys point of view too a bit. But enough said....whoever willing to take part, for free or for money, jump on board, mail me and the rest will be discussed.

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 02:45 PM
Just to clarify: This is aimed at Neural, not trying to put you off m8 just make you aware of the issues.

I think you are confusing the commercial production of a product by a multinational design company, with the AMATEUR help and utilities provided for free TO OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

This is a product which is FOR SALE and will no doubt make PROFITS, you can bet your life that licenses,copyrights and submissions WILL BE PAID FOR because in BUSINESS thats how it works.

Copyright and Licenses for the use of pictures, graphics, software etc HAVE to be legally sorted 100% or else the business can find itself in DEEP do-do ...I give you one example....Grumman.

What is to stop someone six months down the line saying..."oh by the way I want paid for the photographs that you are now using as the MAIN art for BOB that I said you could have free at the time, because I didn't realise you were going to maker them into 30m high banners promoting BoB?"

You guys have to seperate your love of this series from the fact that it is a commercial product.

BTW I am still waiting for the free copy of Pacific Fighters I was promised for doing voice actor work for the series "for free" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Work away enjoy taking your photographs but REALLY make sure you understand the legalities and the concept and application of Copyright Law http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VV_Holdenb
07-25-2007, 02:49 PM
Hi Jutocsa,
Any chance of posting a list up of buildings you need, as some may have "90 degree high res wall shots" that you require already.

Would liked to help out on this one but work in the way for me - sry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ploughman
07-25-2007, 03:04 PM
BTW I am still waiting for the free copy of Pacific Fighters I was promised for doing voice actor work for the series "for free"

You're the Northern Irish accent on the Commonwealth missions? "Oh, bloody hell!"

Sounds like you've got a point though, at the very least the volunteers need to make a binding agreement about ownership of their contribution.

Jutocsa
07-25-2007, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
I think you are confusing the commercial production of a product by a multinational design company, with the AMATEUR help and utilities provided for free TO OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

This is a product which is FOR SALE and will no doubt make PROFITS, you can bet your life that licenses,copyrights and submissions WILL BE PAID FOR because in BUSINESS thats how it works.

Copyright and Licenses for the use of pictures, graphics, software etc HAVE to be legally sorted 100% or else the business can find itself in DEEP do-do ...I give you one example....Grumman.

What is to stop someone six months down the line saying..."oh by the way I want paid for the photographs that you are now using as the MAIN art for BOB that I said you could have free at the time, because I didn't realise you were going to maker them into 30m high banners promoting BoB?"

You guys have to seperate your love of this series from the fact that it is a commercial product.

BTW I am still waiting for the free copy of Pacific Fighters I was promised for doing voice actor work for the series "for free" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Work away enjoy taking your photographs but REALLY make sure you understand the legalities and the concept and application of Copyright Law http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think Fluffy you dont understand something. It wasnt about free help for other community members, but free work on the sim. Many modelers here spent hours of free work making planes, maps, vehicles, buildings, and those made into addons, thus into a commercial product - even if a free one.
One more correction - if you had known modeling/texturing, you wouldnt be afraid of copyright issues, because photographs are used only as reference. Not the actual photos themselves are used. So..its a bit overreacting I think.

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 03:13 PM
I understand perfectly about the free work for the community, I also understand modding etc.

I think what you don't understand is Copyright Law http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You will need to clarify EXACTLY what the photos will be used for, who has the RIGHTS to their use, how often that RIGHT/LICENCE can be used and what time period will be covered by it. Most importantly who legally owns the RIGHTS to the images and the limitations as to their use.

It is a minefield, trust me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-25-2007, 03:27 PM
Well that`s Oleg`s BOB cancelled then. Cheers.

FluffyDucks2
07-25-2007, 03:45 PM
If you look at the title of this thread you will see that it is "PAID WORK" no need for any of this "free" melarkey.

There is absolutely no reason why paying a photographer a few pounds to provide pictures of buildings for reference can have ANY effect on the production of BoB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Signing contracts for the production and use of photographs is COMMON and happens THOUSANDS of times a day in the UK, what is complicated is the the legal details, however most companies/agencies use standard contracts that have already been worked out by experts in Copyright Law and which can be applied to generally to all sorts of commissions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

xTHRUDx
07-25-2007, 04:28 PM
don't rag on Fluffy too much, he right.
Fluffy, i'm in the "industry" too. i feel your pain.

i bet you guys didn't know that you're not allowed to take a picture of the Eiffel tower at night because they copyrighted the light design on the tower. so you can't legally (unless with permission from them)show a pic of the tower at night.

the older buildings you may not have some issues but things like this pop up and you have to permission for these sorts of things.

See? it's anoying. Fluffy has valid concerns

Copperhead310th
07-25-2007, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">BTW I am still waiting for the free copy of Pacific Fighters I was promised for doing voice actor work for the series "for free"

You're the Northern Irish accent on the Commonwealth missions? "Oh, bloody hell!"

Sounds like you've got a point though, at the very least the volunteers need to make a binding agreement about ownership of their contribution. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
agree> THE COUNTLESS HOURS dIZZ & I PUT IN ON REGEMNTS THAT DIDN'T GET USED....
we asked for nothing, just use the damn things. and maybey a t-shirt or a copy of PF when it realesed. sad.

Copperhead310th
07-25-2007, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
don't rag on Fluffy too much, he right.
Fluffy, i'm in the "industry" too. i feel your pain.

i bet you guys didn't know that you're not allowed to take a picture of the Eiffel tower at night because they copyrighted the light design on the tower. so you can't legally (unless with permission from them)show a pic of the tower at night.

the older buildings you may not have some issues but things like this pop up and you have to permission for these sorts of things.

See? it's anoying. Fluffy has valid concerns

you were saying? it's france who gives a Damn. lol
http://www.atkielski.com/PhotoGallery/Paris/Eiffel/images/EiffelNightLarge.jpg
besides let them come after me. lol
there's no judge in the intire state of Alabama that would side with a French company/goverment against one of thier own citizens. lol

BfHeFwMe
07-25-2007, 06:45 PM
The photo's are being used for reference only, not being published, so what need of copyrights? They aren't actually in the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

neural_dream
07-25-2007, 07:14 PM
That's what I thought too, but maybe Fluffy knows the relevant law better.

WTE_Ibis
07-26-2007, 12:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whoever gets the job had better wear a tee shirt that has written in large letters on the back:

"I AM NOT A TERRORIST staking out important buildings"

as I believe they shoot first and ask questions later over there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

.

Stuntie
07-26-2007, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whoever gets the job had better wear a tee shirt that has written in large letters on the back:

"I AM NOT A TERRORIST staking out important buildings"

as I believe they shoot first and ask questions later over there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

.

I thought it was shoot first and don't ask questions at all....

Seriously though that is a valid point.
Whoever is taking the photos would be well advised to notify the building and/or the police of what they are up to.
In particular with important building like the Palace or government buildings.

rhinomonkey
07-26-2007, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Stuntie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whoever gets the job had better wear a tee shirt that has written in large letters on the back:

"I AM NOT A TERRORIST staking out important buildings"

as I believe they shoot first and ask questions later over there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

.

I thought it was shoot first and don't ask questions at all....

Seriously though that is a valid point.
Whoever is taking the photos would be well advised to notify the building and/or the police of what they are up to.
In particular with important building like the Palace or government buildings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfectly legal to take photos of buildings in the uk. Millions of tourists take pictures of londons landmarks all the time.

I got told off in the US for taking pictures at the mexican border at tijuana and got told off in Spain for taking pictures in an undergraound train station in madrid.

Jutocsa
07-26-2007, 03:09 AM
And you cant take any pictures in any Tesco over here....not that it would discover anything new we already didnt know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seriously, clarifying with the authorities what are you up to sounds a good idea to me, maybe they will even help you.

R988z
07-26-2007, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by rhinomonkey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stuntie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whoever gets the job had better wear a tee shirt that has written in large letters on the back:

"I AM NOT A TERRORIST staking out important buildings"

as I believe they shoot first and ask questions later over there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

.

I thought it was shoot first and don't ask questions at all....

Seriously though that is a valid point.
Whoever is taking the photos would be well advised to notify the building and/or the police of what they are up to.
In particular with important building like the Palace or government buildings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfectly legal to take photos of buildings in the uk. Millions of tourists take pictures of londons landmarks all the time.

I got told off in the US for taking pictures at the mexican border at tijuana and got told off in Spain for taking pictures in an undergraound train station in madrid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's perfectly legal, but especially within the City square mile, the cops are usually on to you like a shot (and always monitoring on CCTV) if you look at all dodgy/suspicious wandering around with a camera. They are pretty jumpy, especially with the failed car bombs lately. I'd leave the fake beard and trenchcoat at home.

trumper
07-26-2007, 11:38 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifI can understand the arguments for the pro paid photographers and the copyrights.If it is the difference between someone making a living or not then ok let them take the photos BUT anyone with a digital/film camera IS a photographer.
Quick question,
Do the buildings themselves or their present owner /occupiers have any say over the photography of their buildings and use of.Maybe the fact the buildings are going to be used in a 1940's context [pre present day owners] makes a difference.
Regarding photographing London landmarks ,as tax payers do we not have a say if some of our money goes to the upkeep of them.

FluffyDucks2
07-26-2007, 01:00 PM
"I can understand the arguments for the pro paid photographers and the copyrights.If it is the difference between someone making a living or not then ok let them take the photos BUT anyone with a digital/film camera IS a photographer."


Just like anyone holding a scalpel is a Brain Surgeon, anyone holding the keys to a F1 car is a racing driver, anyone holding a sniper rifle is a sniper..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


As for photographing buildings, it is perfectly legal to photograph any public buildings in the UK from the street.
However...you may find that MoD or other government buildings will be subject to the official secrets act and require either permission to photograph them in any detail, or they will be covered by an actual prohibition order.

The fact is legal or not you will probably find yourself the subject of questioning and may or may not be "scooped" depending on whether or not the local fuzz can be arsed or not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

trumper
07-26-2007, 02:09 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographer "A photographer is a person who takes a photograph using a camera." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The difference between a PRO Photographer and an amateur is the payment for doing a job.Many many amateurs take as good a photograph as a Pro.
Digital has allowed people to raise the bar and have access to "developing" their own stuff instead of requiring a darkroom set up, but they do it for fun in their spare time.
Right back on track,
Is there a list of buildings that are needed? Having seen the huge amount of rebuilding going on in London it may be quite a chore to find a building that has'nt been rebuilt,altered or even the same colour as a wartime blitzed city scape.
Does it matter about the weather and lighting? can the 3d modellers work around that.

Choctaw111
07-26-2007, 04:09 PM
Why does all this legal mumbo jumbo need to be discussed in these forums anyway. Too much tit for tat, that's for sure. All that was asked was for someone to step up, maybe go through an interview process(to make sure the person has a decent camera and other such things), accept the "job offer", take the necessary photos and all that legal stuff would be sorted...PRIVATELY. End of story.

Foo.bar
07-26-2007, 04:19 PM
"Do we need this level of detail on the ground" thread, read enough of that in Foo.bars locomotive thread..

Meanwhile I got them all on my side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Well, almost all...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VVS-Manuc
07-26-2007, 04:20 PM
Yes, let's discuss SoW-BoB to death. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

slipBall
07-26-2007, 04:25 PM
Recon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif....the photog may find his name in the game credits http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif...tripod is a must!

Taylortony
07-26-2007, 05:01 PM
I just hope they redo all the villages and towns as well, because all of the screenshots we have seen so far are Dire..... they are nothing like the layout of an old English village, it appears to be a continental view of an English village based on Continental style houses laid out in what no doubt is a Continental style format............ Nothing at all like the UK........ Most older villages in the UK tend to be laid out in a similar style with a pub, green, Church, trees etc at their centre.....

Nice Elizabethan House complete with Moat I shot whilst enroute to inspect an Aircraft for a potential owner....... even being flown to a nearby Airfield then picked up by Helicopter to be be shuttled to see the said plane did not help......... it was not something one would want to buy and we didn't....

Rather fancied the house though......

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8962.jpg

SeaFireLIV
07-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Why does all this legal mumbo jumbo need to be discussed in these forums anyway. Too much tit for tat, that's for sure... All that was asked was for someone to step up.


Agreed. I feel that a couple here have very cynically hijacked a thread asking for help to subtlely scupper or make harder the process of Oleg making a great sim.

I think it`s very underhanded and a nasty way to do things. Those who have a gripe with Oleg should make a new thread or talk to Oleg personally, not try to sneakily derail the whole thing.

And if you`re not trying to derail the process, then perhaps consider that you`re not helping Oleg`s BOB to have excellent authentic ground London buildings.

Help the sim get better or stay out.

Jutocsa
07-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
I just hope they redo all the villages and towns as well, because all of the screenshots we have seen so far are Dire..... they are nothing like the layout of an old English village, it appears to be a continental view of an English village based on Continental style houses laid out in what no doubt is a Continental style format............ Nothing at all like the UK........ Most older villages in the UK tend to be laid out in a similar style with a pub, green, Church, trees etc at their centre.....

I remember being said/wrote/told to public by Oleg or other ppl related to 1C that what was on VVS-46 is prealpha and in no way similar to final layouts. As for continental houses...mind you those were my first houses, and as such made after the photographs done in England http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Jutocsa
07-26-2007, 05:37 PM
And I can do nothing but agree with Choctaw and Seafire...seems like every call for help these days lure every whiner here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Btw TT...whats that house and where is it ? Do you have more, closer photos ?

Taylortony
07-26-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Why does all this legal mumbo jumbo need to be discussed in these forums anyway. Too much tit for tat, that's for sure... All that was asked was for someone to step up.


Agreed. I feel that a couple here have very cynically hijacked a thread asking for help to subtlely scupper or make harder the process of Oleg making a great sim.

I think it`s very underhanded and a nasty way to do things. Those who have a gripe with Oleg should make a new thread or talk to Oleg personally, not try to sneakily derail the whole thing.

And if you`re not trying to derail the process, then perhaps consider that you`re not helping Oleg`s BOB to have excellent authentic ground London buildings.

Help the sim get better or stay out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well as an amateur phographer I could post this on a photographic forum I frequent, but as there are people on here interested I wont, let them have a go........ GO FOR IT rhinomonkey http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I do think all this stuff mentioned is rather negative.. if they are getting paid then cool, the pics are not intended for use in the game so I cannot see a copyright issue, they are only being used as a reference source.... Most would be happy with a mention in the game and a payement.

I myself have been involved in copyright issues with my photographic work...... I was ripped off by The Sun National Newspaper no less.........It was eventually amicable resolved with cash coming my way.....

The only problem I have now is the Stigma of possibly being known as a Sun Photographer LOL

Taylortony
07-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
I just hope they redo all the villages and towns as well, because all of the screenshots we have seen so far are Dire..... they are nothing like the layout of an old English village, it appears to be a continental view of an English village based on Continental style houses laid out in what no doubt is a Continental style format............ Nothing at all like the UK........ Most older villages in the UK tend to be laid out in a similar style with a pub, green, Church, trees etc at their centre.....

I remember being said/wrote/told to public by Oleg or other ppl related to 1C that what was on VVS-46 is prealpha and in no way similar to final layouts. As for continental houses...mind you those were my first houses, and as such made after the photographs done in England http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well English streets through to thatched houses may be possible if needed

FluffyDucks2
07-26-2007, 06:18 PM
Which is why you guys are amateurs.

You never know what use people are going to put photographs that you have given them to PERIOD.

You give someone pictures in good faith.....the next thing you know is those pictures are being used in a nationwide advertising campaign, yo get no credit and you get no money because you were dumb enough to hand over your rights because you were "doing a favour" or they asked you to take a few "snaps" just to get an idea..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif


That is why you CLARIFY things by getting clear legal and binding agreements.

BUSINESS is BUSINESS photography is a BUSINESS if you amateurs want to get burned carry on...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You guys that are criticising me, really have NO IDEA about the commercial misuse of photographs and the MANY ways photographers can and do get RIPPED-OFF. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As I said still waiting for my promised(by Oleg) copy of PF.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Jutocsa
07-26-2007, 06:25 PM
You know, at first I saw your point ( I still do) but the more you post the more it seems you use the word amateur as a curseword, which makes u look like a taffy-nosed stuck up "pro" photographer coming here to look down on those who want to help. Mind you Im not saying thats what you are, but you definitely look like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Personally I just hate that its being more and more offtopic.

Taylortony
07-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
Which is why you guys are amateurs.

You never know what use people are going to put photographs that you have given them to PERIOD.

You give someone pictures in good faith.....the next thing you know is those pictures are being used in a nationwide advertising campaign, yo get no credit and you get no money because you were dumb enough to hand over your rights because you were "doing a favour" or they asked you to take a few "snaps" just to get an idea..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif


That is why you CLARIFY things by getting clear legal and binding agreements.

BUSINESS is BUSINESS photography is a BUSINESS if you amateurs want to get burned carry on...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You guys that are criticising me, really have NO IDEA about the commercial misuse of photographs and the MANY ways photographers can and do get RIPPED-OFF. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As I said still waiting for my promised(by Oleg) copy of PF.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Trust me with a bit more savvy, I would retain copyright to my work, I have been down this route before and in my case the Sun knew they where on a sticky wicket so paid up prior to action being taken...... I would not simply hand over pictures without assurances they were only to be used for the intended purpose.......... endo of the day, mountains and molehills

neural_dream
07-26-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
The only problem I have now is the Stigma of possibly being known as a Sun Photographer LOL
Have you just earned brand new text under you name?

and since you have the copyright, can we see the photo?

mbfRoy
07-26-2007, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
As for continental houses...mind you those were my first houses, and as such made after the photographs done in England http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
IMO the best way to settle the discussion is to show some fresh material! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 01:40 AM
Hehhhe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Unfortunately Im not authorised, plus I dont feel the need to settle it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Believe me Id like to show stuff but I cant

trumper
07-27-2007, 02:07 AM
Do you just need photos of London?As Taylortony pointed out the villages in the screen shots were not good and bear no resemblance to real villages.
Maybe some amateurs and pro's can help by volunteering to take some of the southern/home counties villages.
Bottom line is I want to fly over a believable UK,I want to see things i recognise and associate with my country.
If Oleg gets this wrong over here the next stage of the theatres being developed could also go wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Friendly_flyer
07-27-2007, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8962.jpg

Now that is good reference material TT. Is it your photo? This is what I want to see when flying low for a place to ditch my shot up Hurricane!

fabianfred
07-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8962.jpg

Now that is good reference material TT. Is it your photo? This is what I want to see when flying low for a place to ditch my shot up Hurricane! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes... alovely spot to ditch...right in the field by the pub

as for Pro Photographers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif there are few proffessions more full of their own worth...
and all this capitalistic ****..... can't even do a favour without someone complaining..

as a matter of fact I work in the photo proffession too....well woopee

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by trumper:
Do you just need photos of London?As Taylortony pointed out the villages in the screen shots were not good and bear no resemblance to real villages.
Maybe some amateurs and pro's can help by volunteering to take some of the southern/home counties villages.
Bottom line is I want to fly over a believable UK,I want to see things i recognise and associate with my country.
If Oleg gets this wrong over here the next stage of the theatres being developed could also go wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Ohh god...this has now officially become a whining thread full with people who dont read a single post

READ SOMETIMES WHAT OLEG SAID ABOUT THE "VILLAGES" IN VVS46 dvd



As for TTs picture, as is, its useless. Zoomed out and low res. Thats why I asked you TT if you have any more on the building which indeed is a nice one, would be great to have it.

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 04:13 AM
I think I understand the lots of frustration going on by the total lack of updates...but would you all be so kind not to pour it on me ? I only need ppl from London for photographs, no bs like this isnt right this isnt gonna ever happen. Grow up y'all please.

ploughman
07-27-2007, 04:16 AM
Hey, Jutocasa. If you still need any industrial dock photos there's an industrial museum in Bristol with a 30s/40s dock set up I can go photograph. It's a touch out of my way but ask if you're still shy any good reference.

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 04:18 AM
Dock photos are always welcomed mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thx

triad773
07-27-2007, 10:11 AM
A *BUMP* for Jutocsa http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How about it's sticky until they get what they need? For the cause http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks

Triad

FluffyDucks2
07-27-2007, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
You know, at first I saw your point ( I still do) but the more you post the more it seems you use the word amateur as a curseword, which makes u look like a taffy-nosed stuck up "pro" photographer coming here to look down on those who want to help. Mind you Im not saying thats what you are, but you definitely look like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Personally I just hate that its being more and more offtopic.

You couldn't be farther from the truth. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I simply want to make sure that people who have the goodwill and enthusiasm to help 1c in this COMMERCIAL project are not taken advantage of PERIOD.

I dont give a tuppeny damn about pro versus amateur photographers, I have seen bad Pros and I have seen SUPERB amateurs, but when money rears its head ...business comes first.

Good luck to whoever does the job and I hope that 1C looks after them as the responsible business that they no doubt are, I'm out of this one too many idiots who really are talking out their butts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LEBillfish
07-27-2007, 11:11 AM
Jutocsa;

Hope you all get all you need and simply wishing you the best of luck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

To those of you wanting to to argue copyright and so on......Bet you don't pay celebraties caught in public for THEIR image. Nor the owner of a property that invested THEIR time to make it unique and preserve it on and on.

Point blank, and you can argue your foolishness from now till dooms day.....An offer was made to "pay" for photos. Not lease the rights to use, nor purchase rights to utilize under X conditions....Yet buy the time of individual(s) to perform tasks under the developers direction.

QUite simply, a monkey pressing a shutter button.......The end product the developers once paid, the rights theirs. Don't want to do it then don't................As ALL the huffing and puffing is simply a desperate attempt at "job security"....As if the amatures can do the same job for less then the pro's are out of business.

Frankly, for what we have gotten in this sim compared to cost...If you want to argue the value of a photo based upon number of copies sold and proportionally as to content then that makes your copyright royalties worth perhaps 1/100,000,000,000,000,000 of a cent per photo........

I'll mail you a penny and you can consider yourself bigtime http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

neural_dream
07-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Stickies are a nice way for a thread to die.

SeaFireLIV
07-27-2007, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:


Good luck to whoever does the job and I hope that 1C looks after them as the responsible business that they no doubt are, I'm out of this one too many idiots who really are talking out their butts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Well hopefully that`s the last of the attempts to derail what could be a great sim. Now, how about a few volunteers to take pics of London?

FluffyDucks2
07-27-2007, 11:38 AM
Seafire you do talk complete BOLLOX http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

trumper
07-27-2007, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Jutocsa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
Do you just need photos of London?As Taylortony pointed out the villages in the screen shots were not good and bear no resemblance to real villages.
Maybe some amateurs and pro's can help by volunteering to take some of the southern/home counties villages.
Bottom line is I want to fly over a believable UK,I want to see things i recognise and associate with my country.
If Oleg gets this wrong over here the next stage of the theatres being developed could also go wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Ohh god...this has now officially become a whining thread full with people who dont read a single post

READ SOMETIMES WHAT OLEG SAID ABOUT THE "VILLAGES" IN VVS46 dvd



As for TTs picture, as is, its useless. Zoomed out and low res. Thats why I asked you TT if you have any more on the building which indeed is a nice one, would be great to have it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A simple "yes " please to buildings in London and a "no thanks" to the villages as we have already made a note of the changes req'd and WIP will ensure accuracy of type and placement of buildings and layouts in villages, would've sufficed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Don,t accuse people of whining when they are offering their time and imput and concerns.
You still have'nt told anyone which buildings you require.

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 01:16 PM
Sorry but I was a bit upset by the constant thread hijack and the copyright/pro/amateur issue. Didnt mean as an offence to you, my apologies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, I already told what buildings, at least to those that emailed me. Well, most of the buildings, as Im still waiting for the final list. Dont worry, all who are willing to make the job will know about it. I dont want to write it in public, once I did and it launched another offtopic wave with " why this isnt on the list" etc. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
As for other photos, well, anything that is on the map area, (southern counties like you said) could be useful, but collecting reference for generic houses is now in my boss' hands. I think flickr is sufficient for this, but if any of you find something nice, like on TT's photo, or just frequent, common, Id be thankful for a good photo. London is priority now though.

ploughman
07-27-2007, 01:23 PM
How far west are you goind J? I heard some one was modelling Stone Henge, which is pretty far over, thing is the building type changes once you get much further west as the geology switches from chalk downs to limestone so brick dwellings become much rarer and stone buildings (like Bath) become common.

trumper
07-27-2007, 01:42 PM
Jutocsa,
No problems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Another question though,how far north of London will you require,is Duxford,Debden ,North Weald or Cambridge going to be included?

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 01:46 PM
I will search for the map and tell you what area approximately to the north and west. Stonhenge is included indeed, I am modelling it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Toten_Waffe
07-27-2007, 03:01 PM
I have just noticed this thread and will also be able to help you if you need it. I regularly travel to london (going this sunday) and live in Harlow (5 mins from North Weald which I drive through on the way to work and also close to Matching airfield and about 35 mins to Duxford etc) I will gladly help you out with photos of anything you want within these areas if you post a list of buildings or of an area/location. I will also do this for FREE as I enjoy taking photos as an amateur it gets me out in the fresh air and I could not give a t0ss if an evil corporation uses them without my permission. (I would be honoured that they thought it was good enough) Those complaining about about taking a buck from paid photographers....maybe they should find a job instead of hobby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jutocsa
07-27-2007, 03:26 PM
Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just to have it here too: All who would like to help, (either you do it for free, or for money, after all its a paid job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif please mail me at szalai.viktor@saturnsoft.hu so that I have your address. Thanks

Foo.bar
07-28-2007, 04:16 AM
Viktor, will Ipswich be part of the map?

touchdown42
07-28-2007, 04:41 AM
Hi,
just out of interest. From rumors of map sizes i guessed that Rouen, Caen ad Amiens are possibly on the map.
Are there any french cities modeled in greater detail as well? Cathedrals in these cities are famous.

Taylortony
07-28-2007, 11:20 AM
Sorry for the delay, I do not know if these will be clear enough as they were last minute shots as we went overhead, the house in question was in Norfolk close to Little Snoring
I believe it to be Elizabethan as they laid their houses out in the shape of the E for Elisabeth.

see

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/L/Little_Snoring.htm

Jutocsa

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8962_close.jpg

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8961aa_close.jpg

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/_MG_8960_close_1.jpg

As for Little Snoring.

This shows the tower today and the remains of the runways still in use, all be it grass and concrete

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/tower.jpg

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/donno2006/runway.jpg

Taylortony
07-28-2007, 11:33 AM
How much of the UK is going to be used?