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bballluva0710
04-28-2011, 09:51 PM
IMO, the future of the AC series depends on how many periods/locations can be played as main settings in a game. It appears that the plot relies heavily on the locations of the Temples built by TWCB.

Now, I'm a bit confused about one thing -- is there a difference between a Temple and a Vault? If you notice on the Codex Map, there are EIGHT assassin symbols scattered around the globe. Also, there are FORTY-SEVEN smaller dots on the map as well. My "soft" theory is the 8 symbols represent the Temples. I have no clue what the 47 dots are for.


Assassin Symbol Locations:

#1: Africa, present-day Nigeria/Cameroon
#2: Off west coast of southern Chile, middle of the ocean
#3: Off west coast of Ecuador, the Galapagos Islands
#4: In state of New York, the coordinates from The Da Vinci Disappearance
#5: Northern Scandinavia, Norway/Sweden
#6: Northern China/Mongolia
#7: Southern Indonesia
#8: south of Australia, middle of the ocean

Smaller Dot Locations:

North America - 5

#1: north Alaska
#2: Nunavut, Canadian territory, NW of Hudson Bay
#3: NW U.S.(Seattle)/SW Canada(Vancouver)
#4: SW U.S., Grand Canyon Region
#5: NE U.S., most likely Philadelphia

South America - 4

#1: Bogota, Colombia
#2: Lima, Peru
#3: eastern edge of the Amazon
#4: Cordoba, central Argentina

East Pacific/West Coast of Americas - 3

#1: middle of ocean, not too far from Mexico
#2: Dominica/French Polynesia
#3: middle of ocean, east of symbol #2

North/South Atlantic - 5

#1: Reykjavik, Iceland
#2: east of Bermuda Triangle
#3: The Canary Islands
#4: off east coast of Rio, Brazil -- appears to be middle of ocean but there are a couple unnamed islands in the area, slightly SW of island of St. Helena
#5: middle of the Southern Ocean, remote islands in the region

Western Europe - 3

#1: Great Britain, Scotland most likely
#2: London, England
#3: Aragon, northern Spain

Eastern Europe - 3

#1: Arkhangelsk, Russia near the White Sea
#2: Odessa, Ukraine NW of Black Sea
#3: eastern Ukraine or SW Russia (possibly Volgograd/formerly Stalingrad)

Africa - 6

#1: northern Morocco (perhaps Casablanca)
#2: Dakar, Senegal or Cape Verde
#3: region of Mali/Niger/Algeria
#4: Lake Victoria (Uganda/Kenya/Rwanda/Tanzania)
#5: Cape Town, South Africa
#6: Madagascar

Middle East - 4

#1: Cairo, Egypt
#2: Jerusalem
#3: north of Persian Gulf near Kuwait/Al Basrah, Iraq
#4: east of Persian Gulf near Shiraz, Iran

East/Southeast Asia & India - 10

#1: northernmost Russia, the Siberian Plain
#2: northeast Russia, Chukotka
#3: northeast Russia, peninsula of Kamchatsky
#4: Mongolia, NE of symbol #6
#5: Beijing, China
#6: Japan, region of Hiroshima/Osaka & Shikoku Island
#7: central India, Madhya Pradesh province
#8: Sri Lanka
#9: Sumatra Island of Indonesia
#10: New Guinea

Indian Ocean - 2

#1: middle of ocean, halfway between Australia and South Africa
#2: many remote islands called the French Southern Lands

Australia - 2

#1: SW Australia near Perth
#2: east coast of Australia, Brisbane/Gold Coast


What doesn't make sense is that some of the dots are very obviously specific cities and other dots are literally in the middle of nowhere. But the ones that are so specific make me believe that those dots are on the Codex Map for a reason.

TwentyGlyphs
04-29-2011, 09:35 AM
I'm glad you brought this up. It seems like the smaller dots are likely locations of Pieces of Eden, though that of course isn't confirmed. I agree that the Assassin symbols must mark the Temples that Desmond has to find. Especially since the one in the top left appears to be at the same coordinates that the modern day Assassins say is a Temple in the Da Vinci Disappearance.

After reading your post I went back and looked at the Codex map. The wiki has a great version of it that's in black and white and easier to read:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529013652/assassinscreed/images/0/0c/Map_eagle_vision.png (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/index.php?title=Codex&image=Map_eagle_vision-png)

After looking at this map and the Assassin symbols, it reminded me of something that had been bothering me. When Ezio uses the Staff and Apple to open the Vault, an intricate shape appears on the door that seemed like it meant something:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/250/staffopeningvault.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/staffopeningvault.jpg/)

Well, look at the shape you get when you connect the Assassin symbols in a similar manner on the Codex map:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9089/codexmapwithlines.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/codexmapwithlines.jpg/)

Interesting. Seems the Temple locations were chosen to make them fit this shape. Don't know that it means anything, but I thought it was cool.

DaVe_RoCk_
04-29-2011, 11:11 AM
Oh my gosh...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

bballluva0710
04-29-2011, 12:29 PM
Yeah I already knew about the shape the symbols make. I wonder if the dots are supposed to make some sort of pattern? It doesn't seem like it but who knows.

My main point is that with sooooo many locations that have yet to be visited, there's no way the AC series will be done after the next installment. No way.

ChaosxNetwork
04-29-2011, 01:26 PM
Nice I never noticed this!
+1 Cookie for you!

rileypoole1234
04-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Could somebody try and read the text on the map?

lilbacchant
04-29-2011, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by bballluva0710:
Now, I'm a bit confused about one thing -- is there a difference between a Temple and a Vault?

I hadn't really thought about it before now, but now I'm assuming there must be a difference. Otherwise, you'd expect there to be a marker (assassin symbol) in Rome.

But if you ask what the difference is, I'm mostly clueless.

TwentyGlyphs
04-29-2011, 11:22 PM
There's also this map that Alta´r put in the Codex that shows lots of locations in Europe, Asia and Africa. It looks like most if not all of these locations line up with the map on the Codex Wall.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529015803/assassinscreed/images/d/dd/Zw-codex-22.png (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/index.php?title=Codex&image=Zw-codex-22-png)

I wonder how much thought went into what locations are on these maps. It certainly does seem like a lot of the outline for historical places and events is there and ready for them to continue the series forward. I'm all for continuing to explore more historical time periods in future games after they finish Desmond's story. I just don't know what overarching story they'll go with to build as much tension and interest as the 2012 angle.

I also wonder why the Vatican Vault isn't on the Codex map. The really ironic part is that by looking at this same map at the end of AC2, the Assassins figure out that they need to go to the Vatican. How did they figure that out when there's not even a small dot on the map in Rome?

bballluva0710
04-30-2011, 01:13 PM
If you're talking about Desmond and them -- they figured out to go to Rome in ACB

If you mean Ezio and Mario and Co. -- They went to the Vatican to get the Apple back from Rodrigo. I think Ezio kinda got "lucky" and stumbled upon Minerva's temple

TwentyGlyphs
04-30-2011, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by bballluva0710:
If you're talking about Desmond and them -- they figured out to go to Rome in ACB

If you mean Ezio and Mario and Co. -- They went to the Vatican to get the Apple back from Rodrigo. I think Ezio kinda got "lucky" and stumbled upon Minerva's temple

No, Ezio already had the Apple. He kept Rodrigo from getting it in Venice. He lost it to Savanarola at the end of Sequence 12 and got it back at the end of Sequence 13, The Bonfire of the Vanities. Rodrigo takes it to use it with the Staff after defeating Ezio in their fight in the Sistine Chapel.

I think the main point of the entire Codex was to tell the prophecy of the Prophet using two Pieces of Eden to enter the Vault. So it's kind of funny that other than the Assassins talking about where the Vault is, you can't tell from the Codex where it is.

lilbacchant
04-30-2011, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
I think the main point of the entire Codex was to tell the prophecy of the Prophet using two Pieces of Eden to enter the Vault. So it's kind of funny that other than the Assassins talking about where the Vault is, you can't tell from the Codex where it is.

'nother plot hole, maybe? I agree, it doesn't make sense.

TwentyGlyphs
04-30-2011, 11:28 PM
Wow, I feel kind of silly now. I totally forgot what happens at the end of AC2, so I just watched it on YouTube. When Ezio finds and arranges all the Codex pages on the wall, he sets the Apple on a pedestal in front of the wall and it displays the same star pattern that I drew on the map earlier. Somehow he knows what the Apple is showing him on the map and sees that the Vault is in Rome. So the map shows part of the clue, but the Apple revealed the location of the Vault on the map.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1286/codexwall.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/codexwall.jpg/)

bballluva0710
05-01-2011, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bballluva0710:
If you're talking about Desmond and them -- they figured out to go to Rome in ACB

If you mean Ezio and Mario and Co. -- They went to the Vatican to get the Apple back from Rodrigo. I think Ezio kinda got "lucky" and stumbled upon Minerva's temple

No, Ezio already had the Apple. He kept Rodrigo from getting it in Venice. He lost it to Savanarola at the end of Sequence 12 and got it back at the end of Sequence 13, The Bonfire of the Vanities. Rodrigo takes it to use it with the Staff after defeating Ezio in their fight in the Sistine Chapel.

I think the main point of the entire Codex was to tell the prophecy of the Prophet using two Pieces of Eden to enter the Vault. So it's kind of funny that other than the Assassins talking about where the Vault is, you can't tell from the Codex where it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yikes! You're right. My bad lol.

I guess the Assassins at the end of AC2 didn't really "figure it out" to go to the Vatican because a Vault was there. Ezio went to the Vatican to kill Rodrigo Borgia with the aid of the Apple. And then the fight's conclusion conveniently led Ezio to the entrance of the Vault! lol

Pavan_NL
05-02-2011, 06:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSt4YIztdaM

Check at around 7:30

The assassins knew about the vault.

M4ST3R0fPUPPi3S
05-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Remember - The Renaissance Assassins knew about the vault because Leonardo noticed that there are words that "seem to cross from one page to the next", thats where they find out about the 2 pieces iin the floating city, the prophet appears stuff, it might be what the small writing on the map is.

At least I THINK I'm getting it right... :/