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norton1974
03-07-2009, 01:28 PM
I was wondering how many hours of online combat people have flown in their il2 lives.
I just read The blonde knight of germany, who flew 1400 missions so i figure he flew at least 3000 hours, and that is a guess, maybe someone else will know better.
The reason i ask is that i have started to fly online in the last week or so and it is apparent that many have been flying for many years and are very good. I have flown offline for a couple years but online i get chewed up and spit out when i get into a dogfight. This does not take the fun out of it though as i have learned a lot in just a few nites time.

Wildnoob
03-07-2009, 02:48 PM
pretty interesting subject for discussion in my opinion norton1974.

I'm figthing for months to try learn how to trim the plane correctly. still have difficults, but I will follow the words of wariors though the history: "never give up". I manage to improve myself a little, but are still far from reach the level I want. in fact use the word "the level I want" is not really correct, because a pilot always need to pratic and learn new things. in modern aviation I already read, don't know if it's truth, that a average F-15 pilot need 1000 fligth hours to completly master the aicraft. the F-22 is FAR superior and much more easy for the pilot mastet. read that a pilot with 100 fligth hours already can master completly the aicraft. I don't know if the problem is about trim as modern aicraft using FBW don't need to be trimmed, just in ocasions of when a wing is damage for example and you have to use trim to be able to compensate the tendency of the plane skied, but at least with me in IL2 it is. of course that real pilot's have to training for things impossible in a traditional fligth sim such as hold high G maneuvers.

I hope that I will learn this correctly some day. when this happen I going to really start to count fligth hours.

megalopsuche
03-07-2009, 02:57 PM
Some people have been flying online flight sims for decades. You would have to calculate their flight time in months, not hours!

Wildnoob
03-07-2009, 03:02 PM
I agreed with megalopsuche.

but just for curiosity, when I put my hands on SOW series I gonna start to account fligth hours to see in how much time I will feel that I master the aicrafts. this if I manage to get capable do so though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Tully__
03-07-2009, 03:25 PM
It might be harder than you think to get as many flying hours as real world pilots, but where sim pilots have their real world equivalents beaten by a long way is combat hours.

I've been flying this sim since late 2001, so about 7 and a half years. Figure an average of 3 hours maybe 200 days per year (lots more in the early days but now I'm married http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) give a total flight time of about 4500 hours. Where that would differ from a real world pilot is that for me, over a quarter of that would be combat, where a real world pilot it would probably be less than 5%.

For the flyers who spend most of their time in dogfight servers, perhaps as much as 50-60% of their flying hours may be combat hours.

DKoor
03-07-2009, 03:28 PM
...another words, they should be much better at game than pilots in RL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thefruitbat
03-07-2009, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
...another words, they should be much better at game than pilots in RL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

even more so , in so far as much as we live to fly again and learn the lesson, instead of die...

fruitbat

ElAurens
03-07-2009, 04:30 PM
Indeed, and it's another reason why combat results in the game do not match the real world.

In the real world there was one Hartmann, one Sakai, one Kozhedub, etc...

Online there are dozens, all in perfectly maintained aircraft, all well fed, well rested, and and in comfortable conditions overall.

Stiletto-
03-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
all well fed, well rested, and and in comfortable conditions overall.

Speak for yourself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Choctaw111
03-07-2009, 06:40 PM
I have had Il2 since the demo and fly about 10 hours per week, depending on the week of course. Some weeks more, some less. My best guess would be around 4,000 hours (probably a lot more). That sounds like a person with no life, but considering that the last 7 1/2 years has over 450,000 hours in it, I have only spend 0.87% of my time flying. Less than 1% of my overall time flying really isn't that much.

Waldo.Pepper
03-07-2009, 06:40 PM
Apparently the research would suggest that for any endevour you need 10000hours at the activity to get really good at it. Anyone (all of us old timers I guess) have 10000 hours playing this game) willing to admit it?

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norton1974
03-07-2009, 07:21 PM
choctaw111 i like your math .87% of your time flying, im going to use that in my argument with my wife when she thinks i spend to much time flying. why i bet i spend more time overall on the toilet.
So hartman flew 1400 missions, Hub Zemke flew 150 missions and 450 hours flight time. They may not be comparible carrers given 2 different fronts of battle but im thinking that natural talent at flying had more impact than just the total hours. Does this also hold true to online play?

Choctaw111
03-07-2009, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by norton1974:
choctaw111 i like your math .87% of your time flying, im going to use that in my argument with my wife when she thinks i spend to much time flying. why i bet i spend more time overall on the toilet.
So hartman flew 1400 missions, Hub Zemke flew 150 missions and 450 hours flight time. They may not be comparible carrers given 2 different fronts of battle but im thinking that natural talent at flying had more impact than just the total hours. Does this also hold true to online play?

Yeah, a fraction of 1 percent total time sounds a lot better than thousands of hours.
Heck, my wife even gets it. I don't know how long you have been married. I've been married 15 years. My point is that Il2 isn't exactly marriage building or newly wed material if you know what I mean. Now if you can get your wife interested...that's something else. My wife has bought me stuff to make Il2 more enjoyable. Yup, she's a keeper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Shoot, she even bought me a flight on a B-17.

To answer your question about natural talent, I would have to say, "Yes". Natural talent or a lot of practice, or both. Just as in real air combat, it was not really the aircraft that determined the champion of the battle, it was the pilot and their skill that played the biggest role in how well a pilot performed in combat. The same on an Il2 server. A good pilot in an outdated plane can beat a novice (comparatively) in a better (faster, ROC etc.) aircraft.

Skoshi Tiger
03-07-2009, 11:25 PM
Hmmm! I've been married for about 7 years and really love my wife, so, by my calculations, to be really good at pleasuring her I will have had to 'practice' about 40,000 times (in 15 minute sessions) which would mean if I 'practiced' 15 times a day I'ld only be geting good at it now!!! Flashman was a bit off when he compared Ladies to his aircraft! WOOF!


Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Apparently the research would suggest that for any endevour you need 10000hours at the activity to get really good at it. Anyone (all of us old timers I guess) have 10000 hours playing this game) willing to admit it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/apsara%20jet/001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/apsara%20jet/002-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/apsara%20jet/003-1.jpg

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-07-2009, 11:33 PM
I would guess Im around 14,000 hours since 2001. WoW! Too bad I didnt get paid! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S!

P.FunkAdelic
03-08-2009, 02:23 AM
This is why us new pilots who have fewer than probably a couple hundred hours just think... why even bother? How do I compete with someone who's so far ahead of me?

Doesn't mean I actually give up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
03-08-2009, 05:01 AM
HA http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always try to balance any calculation of how many flying hours I may have as it relates to the number of times I should have died (or, my computer blown up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

rnzoli
03-08-2009, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
This is why us new pilots who have fewer than probably a couple hundred hours just think... why even bother? How do I compete with someone who's so far ahead of me? This is why I always wholeheartedly recommend flying cooperative missions, or flying with a squadron. In that case, you will definitely have experts on your side, helping YOU. Not just flying against you all the time, which is certainly frustrating. As soon as you figure out how you are being beaten, the experts take one more card from their sleeves and kill you over and over again... so having a few on your side creates a different game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

btw: somewhere between 1500-2000 hours, 50-70% in combat (including ground attack) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rnzoli
03-08-2009, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
all well fed, well rested, and and in comfortable conditions overall.

Speak for yourself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ROTFLMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
That was a funny comment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DKoor
03-08-2009, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
all well fed, well rested, and and in comfortable conditions overall.

Speak for yourself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

WTE_Galway
03-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
This is why us new pilots who have fewer than probably a couple hundred hours just think... why even bother? How do I compete with someone who's so far ahead of me?




Way back when I actually flew online ... just squad commitments you had to attend consisted of one night training, one night virtual war commitments and one night of the inhouse combat on our closed server at the time.

All up say 20 hours per week regular flying with the squad without any "private" flying or extra squad related activities like an air-race night.

A "couple of hundred hours" is achieved in a few months in a good squad.

Over a few years that kinda adds up to big numbers.

willyvic
03-10-2009, 04:25 AM
Probably got about 4300 hours or so in IL2. About half that much again in the CFS 1/2 series.

WV