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Lt.Davis
12-27-2003, 05:54 AM
Personal opinion, I feel that P-40 Ammo are too little, it's take (me) lot's of ammo to down a enamy aircraft (maybe i'm not good in shooting.) Either i used up ALL the ammo to down 'a' plane or i just damage the plane partly.

Is that true the ammo capacity of P-40 are so little (to me)?

At least P-47 have extra ammo option.

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Lt.Davis
12-27-2003, 05:54 AM
Personal opinion, I feel that P-40 Ammo are too little, it's take (me) lot's of ammo to down a enamy aircraft (maybe i'm not good in shooting.) Either i used up ALL the ammo to down 'a' plane or i just damage the plane partly.

Is that true the ammo capacity of P-40 are so little (to me)?

At least P-47 have extra ammo option.

Speed is the KEY.

Ketalar
12-27-2003, 06:51 AM
I'm sure the ammo count is correct since this is one of the things that are really easy to check historically and program into FB.

I think it's more a matter of you not quite hitting the sensitive areas on the enemy's plane. I rarely run out of ammo before I have to return to base because of battle damage (not always downing anyone, but still...) or being shot down.

Where are you aiming? Do you land your shots? Did you set your convergence to the distance where you typically fire? Do you allow for lead (aim ahead of the target instead of on the target) and bullet drop?

I find it helpful to start a recording when I start my engine. I then let it run the entire flight and if something interesting happened I review it afterwards. It's a great help to check for bullet hits etc. Or enable Arcade Mode if you're plying offline.

LeadSpitter_
12-27-2003, 07:19 AM
mess around with the convergence of the guns the lower the more destructive power they have at close range

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GoodKn1ght
12-27-2003, 07:23 AM
180 is the magic number

VW-IceFire
12-27-2003, 07:52 AM
Or 250...I find 250 is the right number for me. But its a preference and tactics thing. I can kill 6-7 aircraft with a P-40 (generally offline AI) by shooting engines and fuel tanks. Deadly death dealing destruction.

Also...at least in the offline arena, don't be affraid to stop shooting at a crippled enemy and go after the next one. Usually all they will do is either bail later or crash to the ground...sometimes they make it back but I usually make sure that they are missing so many vital components thats not going to happen. The strength of the .50cal is not total destruction of the plane itself but total destruction of anything useful on it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LeadSpitter_
12-27-2003, 08:16 AM
they most kills in one flight I ever got online was 8 with the p40 in virtual pilots 2, no slouch pilots in there either,

I have my outside .50s set for 200. and the inner 2 for 180, its all a preference but now we can use staggered convergences with the .50s since the all dont fire from one button anymore

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Ketalar
12-27-2003, 08:23 AM
Leadspitter:
Are you kidding me!? When did this happen? I thought the P-47 was the only plane with separate triggers... You mean I've been downing peeps with less than maximum firepower!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bull_dog_
12-27-2003, 08:30 AM
I have just recently started flying on line and I find the human pilots to be much more evasive...I have felt for awhile that the .50's were right on...but that was flying off line. Now that I'm flying on-line I find the P-40, P-47 and P-51 to be more challenging to get a kill in....often it is my gunnery that is lacking, however I find that often a good burst doesn't disable certain planes like the FW's and La's and the human reaction is much more radical than AI so it is much much harder to get a sustained burst of ammo into a plane....

Another factor is that with AI, if I got a plane smoking I would move onto another target and eventually the wounded aircraft would wind up on my kill sheet because the AI are less likely to shoot it down. On small online maps, I litterally have to shoot the plane down or another aircraft is likely to kill it or the wounded plane will make it back to base.

I know if I hit the sweetspot with the fifties, it will saw wings off, I just find it much harder with human opponents. Having said all of that, I am thinking that the .50's might be slightly under powered but not bad....I do believe the damage modeling on some aircraft...especially the FW series to be off...in that I have shot elevators off or ailerons and the aircraft can still maneuver well. The Dora has an inline engine and is just about as tough as the A series. La's are tough too...often I will go after other opponents when the choice is offered because I find the Fw's and La's very tough to finish off.

My gunnery skills are still mediocre at best...I have yet to master the art of rudder correction which will really help once I get it down.

Lt.Davis
12-27-2003, 09:25 AM
thanks for all the reply.

After reading all your suggestion and opinion, i can realise that the offline and online are different kind of experience.

During offline, when i saw enemy a/c got black smoke come out from the plane, i'll stop chasing him, and turn to other target.

But in the other hand, when playing online, because you know your oppenent are human, and you know it's 10x harder to shoot down a human pilot (in P-40 or a/c with only MG). I think majority of the people will want to see their enemy 100% down/explore/bailed out then they will stat release their trigger (me at least). And i think it's a big mistake.

Honestly, i did't go for the point during online, i enjoy the process of chasing/being chase/dogfight/bombing...

I set my MG coverage at 200m, and i aim ahead of the target. In offline i can down max 5 zero in a sortie. But in online i can only down 1.

1 more thing that i notice... the advantage of MG was, you can cut your enemy control cable easily. think because of the rate of fire, the amount of bullet come out from your MG are like a sharp knife.

S!

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Ketalar
12-29-2003, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
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I have my outside .50s set for 200. and the inner 2 for 180, its all a preference but now we can use staggered convergences with the .50s since the all dont fire from one button anymore

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Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm away from home for two weeks, and this question's bugging me like you wouldn't believe. The P-40 always fired all it's guns with the primary trigger, has this really changed!? Need to know what to expect when I get home...I'd hate to have to press two triggers for full fireworks display.

pointman23
12-29-2003, 04:41 PM
I am a big time U.S. fighter plane fan and only fly the P-40, P-47, and now the P-51 and one comment on the FW-190 is you will have one heck of a time trying to take it out from right behind as the tail is ammored. You want to wait until he shows his wing surfaces or you will more than likely just waste you ammo.

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RS_Shiesty
12-29-2003, 08:38 PM
just tried this out and from what i can tell, all six guns are mapped to the 'weapon 1' button. i couldn't get the inner and outer mgs to go at different convergence although if there is a way i'd sure like to know.

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gates123
12-30-2003, 12:04 PM
p-40 has plenty of ammo, p-39 seems to run out fast, I'm sure there both historically accurate . I set my convergence on a p-40 at 150. Got 3 kills online last night in one sortie, does the trick for me, I usually zoom and boom with p-40 so if you set to 200 you'll be at 150 before you know it. So i just go with 150m since i'll pull out at around 50m to aviod collisions but he'll be smoking or have 1 less wing by then. Viva la P-40!

LeadSpitter_
12-30-2003, 03:43 PM
rs shiesty i just tested it in 1.21 and they are no longer able to be mapped to 1 and 2, in 1.2b 1.2rc the mustang and p40 with weapon 1 would fire the 4 inner guns weapon 2 would fire the outer 2 and machine gun was for the inner too and outer gun it was for cannon the same as in the jug.

I wonder why oleg has changed it and i didnt even notice until now.

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JG27_Dacripler
12-30-2003, 03:50 PM
Timing is everything in here. (with experience and a lot of luck)
What is the secret formula? Who knows? I see guys who have the best success using the .50 guns are the velocity hitters, or the ones that use severe deflection shooting while the other aircraft is stressing out their airplanes. Other times is when an aircraft becomes in a "static state" (top of a apex in a loop and is completely vulnerable)
I rairly see a .50 do much damage to an aircraft in a "chase" situation at a zero deflection angle. (where an enemy has a slight advantage of speed and is pulling forward without adding stress to their aircraft) I have seldom if ever been able to do much damage to an aircraft accelerating past 500m. It is just waisting ammuntion. Secret formulas and convergiance? Who knows ? GoodKn1ght has his formula and others as well. I use 600m for mine and can say I do fairly well at that number. I looked at a &gt;user STAT command to see the amount of ammo I use. I found out that in a Z & B Scenario, I get a higher percentage of hits and kills than if I were in a T & B with the .50 cal.
Is the .50 cal effective? Yes it is when it used in numbers. Hence, it being mounted on 6 guns (P-40, P-51) or 8 for the P-47.
So, to answer your question: I believe the better Shooter is the one to ask rather than the better flyer.. I see some fellas that lack in their pilot skills but are extremely deadly when they get that one opportunity.