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pielkop
07-31-2005, 12:30 AM
i was looking thruogh my plane pics and thuoght that some of you would like to see this one .It is a pic of the Aichi M6A Seiran (mountain haze) and it was designed to fit in a water tight hanger on the huge japanese I-400 class of submarine .None of the planes saw action and this is the only one left of it's kind .The picture was taken at the new wing of the air and space museum outside Washington DC
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v52/Pielkop/Dscf0046.jpg

woofiedog
07-31-2005, 01:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Excellent photo of a Very Rare Bird. Quite the story behind this aircraft.
Thank's

HotelBushranger
07-31-2005, 01:01 AM
Beauty! Nice lookin bird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heliopause
07-31-2005, 01:14 AM
They wanted to set sail towards the Panama-canal, let the planes take-off and bomb some of the floodgates. That way the americans couldn't use the canal anymore

VFS-214_Hawk
07-31-2005, 07:14 AM
From what I read a while back...They DID set sail to Panama but where turned back when the allies attacked Okinawa. I guess in other words, it was too late to hit Panima !!??

ChwyNiblet
07-31-2005, 07:30 AM
Yes yes that is a very nice bird ya got there. Oh wait a minute is that an Ohka wing next to it? Dun Dun Dun!

MrBlueSky1960
07-31-2005, 07:43 AM
Very interesting...I had not heard of this a/c or its 'carrier' Thank you for posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine

More info!

p1ngu666
07-31-2005, 07:50 AM
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pielkop
07-31-2005, 10:53 AM
yhwyNiblet it is a okha wing that you see in the pic if you are interested i will post pics of it to .I plan to go back there soon with a better camera and take better pics .Oh and just for those of you who did not know this is the same museum where they have the fully assembled Enola Guy

-HH-Dubbo
07-31-2005, 11:30 AM
"Enola Guy"? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sounds surly....

Platypus_1.JaVA
07-31-2005, 01:11 PM
This aircraft should be returned to Japan I think. The most beautiful Japanese aircraft for me!

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
This aircraft should be returned to Japan I think. The most beautiful Japanese aircraft for me!

It's a fricken Stuka with floats. How much uglier can it get?

nakamura_kenji
07-31-2005, 03:37 PM
i think nice be better gear with though
http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/other/m6a1-7.jpg

Daiichidoku
07-31-2005, 03:53 PM
no details, but i know it was made with landing gear instead of floats, as well

-HH-Dubbo
07-31-2005, 04:59 PM
Actually wasn't it originally designed to have no floats and be catapult launched and later ditched? When they decided to make the aircraft recoverable it could still jettison it's floats for extra speed/range. I always thought it was designed to be sub-borne. The wings folded against the fuselage and extended hydraulically, the tail assembly folded either port or starboard (can't remember which) and the horizontal stabilisers folded down to vertical. I thought it was designed from the outset to fit in the I-400 hangars....(I could be wrong) Hence no wheels.......ever....

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Dubbo:
Actually wasn't it originally designed to have no floats and be catapult launched and later ditched? When they decided to make the aircraft recoverable it could still jettison it's floats for extra speed/range. I always thought it was designed to be sub-borne. The wings folded against the fuselage and extended hydraulically, the tail assembly folded either port or starboard (can't remember which) and the horizontal stabilisers folded down to vertical. I thought it was designed from the outset to fit in the I-400 hangars....(I could be wrong) Hence no wheels.......ever....

Wrong.

http://www.yumodeller.150m.com/Slike%20Aviona%20Galerija/Ju-87%20Stuka.jpg

-HH-Dubbo
07-31-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Wrong.

http://www.yumodeller.150m.com/Slike%20Aviona%20Galerija/Ju-87%20Stuka.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You know it really only looks as much like a Ju87 as a Hurricane looks like a P40. It's single inverted V engine and the fact it is a low wing mono-plane is about where the similarities end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh that and it appears to be greenish, which a lot of Ju-87 also appeared to be..

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Seiran.jpg


...Mmmm greenish....

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 08:21 PM
Yeah, the 109E looks totally different from a 109K. That means they're totally different and unrelated planes.

Please.

The Japanese ripped off quite a few German planes, so it doesn't quite surprise me if they borrowed a little "inspiration" from the Stuka.

-HH-Dubbo
07-31-2005, 09:18 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
"..borrowing a little "inspiration" from..."
&
"It's a fricken Stuka with floats." aren't exactly the same thing now, are they?

C'mon, from the firewall forward sure, but back..??? Please.
If it wasn't green I'm sure you wouldn't be fooled. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 10:14 PM
Okay, fine, but the canopy, is Stuka-ish, too.

NonWonderDog
07-31-2005, 10:23 PM
Uhhh...I guess I could like it, if it didn't have the ugliest floats known to man. It would probably look pretty good with retracts.

-HH-Dubbo
07-31-2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Uhhh...I guess I could like it, if it didn't have the ugliest floats known to man. It would probably look pretty good with retracts.

Now, is it the colour of the floats you object to? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Here is a drawing of the original configuration

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/65_2.jpg

And a profile with no floats and folded

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Seiran-folded.jpg