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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 04:51 PM
I recently saw a picture of an interesting looking Ju-88. I think that it was an anti-shipping version; I'm guessing that it operated in the Bay of Biscay - could have been elsewhere. It appeared to be an A-4 fitted with a small radar array and two or three HUGE drop tanks. The radar array looked like a smaller version of what appears on this A-6:

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/401Squadron/7.htm

Does anyone have any ideas as to what this beast could be? Armament and load-out?

And why don't we have optional radar array for the planes in fb? If the dev team is worried about introducing cockpit details, it could be fitted to the AI planes at least.

Think we could add this puppy to the upgrade?

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 04:51 PM
I recently saw a picture of an interesting looking Ju-88. I think that it was an anti-shipping version; I'm guessing that it operated in the Bay of Biscay - could have been elsewhere. It appeared to be an A-4 fitted with a small radar array and two or three HUGE drop tanks. The radar array looked like a smaller version of what appears on this A-6:

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/401Squadron/7.htm

Does anyone have any ideas as to what this beast could be? Armament and load-out?

And why don't we have optional radar array for the planes in fb? If the dev team is worried about introducing cockpit details, it could be fitted to the AI planes at least.

Think we could add this puppy to the upgrade?

Hawgdog
10-26-2003, 04:55 PM
This particular version stemmed from the Ju 88 A-6, a bomber equipped with balloons cable cutters.

Anyway, these devices caused an unacceptable decay of the flying characteristics.



cable cutters?? NOT with me holding the stick, I bet you can translates into "lawn dart" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 05:18 PM
Yes, it is a A-6, but A-6U.

A-6 was the cable cutter version with huge cutting frame in front of the plane.

A-6U was the re-use of these airframes. The framework was deleted and FuG 200 "Hohentweil" antishipping radar installed. Flying characteristics were pretty much same as in A-4 with some drop in top speed due to antenna arrangement.

All Ju-88 A-4 and later could carry 2 900 liter drop tanks for extra range, and later variants also had the ability to cut cables by wing leading edges which had been reinforced for the job.


-jippo

Ps.

Uhm, I just read the article, and it actually says the things I wrote already.
Yes they were used in Bay of Biscay and Mediterranean at least.Loadouts were similar to that of A-4. Performance was similar with the exception of the added drag of the aerials.

Adding it to the game is not feasible at this point as the radar and it's operation would need too much changes in the system.

I think there will be a new look to radars when BoB is published as it already has some radar components built in it. But I don't think it is feasible yet...


Message Edited on 10/26/0304:23PM by Jippo01

Hawgdog
10-26-2003, 05:33 PM
Jippo, can you possibly imagine the first time a pilot was told, "ok, fly into the steel cable designed to rip off wings...yes, with your wing and cut the cable, trust me LT, it will cut the cable and not spin you around 180"

LOL, sir yes sir Right away sir, attack a cable sir

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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 05:42 PM
Well, I suppose orders are orders. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The framework really was a sturdy one, so maybe that made it a bit easier to do. But of course you are right, I think most pilots have a built in tendency to avoid collision, not seek it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


But even tougher was what some of the Ju-88 nightfighters did. When English pathfinders marked targets in the night raids with parachute light bombs, German had a arrangement where another plane cut the parachute cables with the before mentioned wing leading edges, while another plane dropped decoy light bombs in a same sequence to a false target nearby! In such case there is about 5m (roughly 5-6 yards) of free leading edge from wingtip to the propellor where the parachute must be hit. Other wise the result could be downed Ju-88 or a miss! And this was done in the dark...



-jippo

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 05:54 PM
This is the radar array that my mystery Ju-88 had:

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/JU88-85.jpg


I think it would be a cool addition to the existing Ju-88 model. And speaking of balloon-cutters:

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Ju88-A6-7s.jpg

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 06:34 PM
That's one mean head-on machine /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 06:50 PM
Do I hear anyone saying "Chicken race!"

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:18 AM
If im not mistaken, that is a mine sweeper. The loop emits a magnetic field that triggers sea-mines to detonate. Since the aircraft is flying fast over the water, the explosion is behind it by the time it hits the surface. Can anyone back this up?

Gib

Oso2121 wrote:
- I think it would be a cool addition to the existing
- Ju-88 model. And speaking of balloon-cutters:
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http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Ju88-A6-7s.jpg

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No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:22 AM
negative gibbage, thats a balloon-cutter. minetriggers are always a complete ring, has to do something with the nature of electromagnetism i guess.
thats a minetrigger (called Mausi, which sounds pretty funny if you understand german):

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/271003-Ju52-3m-10smausi.jpg




Message Edited on 10/27/0312:30AM by DeBaer.534

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 03:49 AM
It slices

It dices


Tired of those cheap imitation cable cutters


Tired of spinning to your death from a wing losses


Try the new Ronco CableCrusher



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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 05:32 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:

So I'm curious - I haven't seen any models with radar antennas (not the Ju-88, the bf-110 or even the new Condor). Is there a reason for this?

Great job on the Spit, btw.

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 05:58 AM
Wow. I did not think balloons were such a problem they needed special cutter aircraft. Thanks for the info!

Gib

No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 06:04 AM
I sa w the same picure at the History chanel.com

They said it was a prototype MAD,"Magnetic Anymolly Detector"

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/271003-Ju52-3m-10smausi.jpg


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Message Edited on 10/27/03‚ 05:04AM by Ick_352nd

Message Edited on 10/27/0305:05AM by Ick_352nd

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 12:39 PM
Ick_352nd wrote:
- I sa w the same picure at the History chanel.com
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- They said it was a prototype MAD,"Magnetic Anymolly
- Detector"

MAD, umm. no its Mausi.
Minen Ausl√¬∂se- und Suchindikator.
(Mine triggering and search indicator)

those who want to see some more pictures of cablecutters and minensuchringe, see there:

http://www.luftarchiv.de/gerat/ballon.htm <- ballooncutter

translation of the maintext:
the british balloonblockades were a big problem to attacks against static targets. To encouter this danger, a huge balloon off-keeping and cutting installation was developed, that should cut the balloon tightropes. it was attached to Ju88 and He111. The procedure to cut the ropes and the installation itself were life-threatening to the planecrew.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/gerat/ms.htm <-minetrigger.

translation of the maintext:
the metal alloy ring was composed of several parts, which were attached to the fuselage and the wings. low voltage was switched to the ring when the plane flew over expected enemy seamines. the developing electro-magnet field triggered the seamines to explode. The Ju52 and the BV138 of the Luftwaffe's minesearching groups, and on trial also
the Do23 and the Blohm und Voss Ha139. (so no ju88 with minetrigger)

im not gonna translate the picturetextings,
i do this without any payment.






Message Edited on 10/27/0311:59AM by DeBaer.534

XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 01:31 PM
It was not only the Germans that had such a/c. The Wellington was also used in the 'war' against magnetic mines.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/wwii/images/europe/angleterre/armes/aviation/vickers.jpg


The S/S InAction book(1076) on the Wellington has a section on the Wellington DWI.

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XyZspineZyX
10-27-2003, 04:53 PM
Oso2121 wrote:
- Gibbage1 wrote:
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- So I'm curious - I haven't seen any models with
- radar antennas (not the Ju-88, the bf-110 or even
- the new Condor). Is there a reason for this?
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- Great job on the Spit, btw.



I told you already, they will not be modelled at this point, so there is no point in making them.

BoB will have at least land based radar functional and may become possible to have airborne radars then.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 07:19 AM
- I told you already, they will not be modelled at
- this point, so there is no point in making them.

I meant for AI aircraft: as a strictly non-functional appearance item.

Cheers.


P.S. I suppose that once you add them to the exterior people will want them for the interior as well. I'll just let this thread die here....