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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:50 PM
I flew the D22 for the first time in a VERY long time last night and I must say that thing is a TOP NOTCH fighter now! I can't believe the roll rate improvements and the dive performace and level speed as well as zoom components are working very well now. I must say I think I'll come back to the jug! What do you guys think?

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:50 PM
I flew the D22 for the first time in a VERY long time last night and I must say that thing is a TOP NOTCH fighter now! I can't believe the roll rate improvements and the dive performace and level speed as well as zoom components are working very well now. I must say I think I'll come back to the jug! What do you guys think?

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When does a game end being a game and become a simulator? Interesting questions to ponder while waiting, from Aces-High.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 06:55 PM
I think your wrong. The 190 will have it's way with the P-47.

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Hawgdog
09-10-2003, 06:59 PM
Hey end-dumper, fix that sig
its too big!
Otherwise I'll be forced to start a thread about sig size

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:03 PM
Mind your own business dog.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:14 PM
Relax dude, he's just trying to tell you your sigs too big.

People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:15 PM
People who like big sigs are a lot like people who like big trucks; they are compensation for anatomical insecurities.

Also yes, the jug is now competitive.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:16 PM
Everything about me is big.

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Hawgdog
09-10-2003, 07:18 PM
End_Dump_Earl wrote:
- Everything about me is big.


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:19 PM
Like my red truck?

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Hawgdog
09-10-2003, 07:22 PM
End_Dump_Earl wrote:
- Like my red truck?


No, it looks foriegn. Is that a Toyota? It looks like a rolling JCWhitney advertisement

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:23 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:26 PM
P-47 is a good fighter now, I wouldn't call it a top one (online in DFs you get lots of trouble from those 190s, hard to hit them with more than a quarter second of lead) it can hold its own, but for the most part, you will have trouble with just about anything that has a altitude advantage over you.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:28 PM
I had a dump tuck once....

When I was a kid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:33 PM
Heuristic_ALgor

Now you've moved up to a tricycle?

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:34 PM
That's nothing - I had a dump this morning/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 07:59 PM
well mybe you sould be the higher one ?

You will get in trubble in every fighter if your opponent has an advanage in altitude.
Sometimes aiming b4 shooting increases the rate of bullets that hit an opponent. This is the same in every 109, 190, P40 and so on..

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 09:43 PM
Your right, evan the 27 is a little better.

I startded from 3800m, i made about 6 pass on 2 BF's and 2 FW's. Note they were atleast 2000m below me. I managed to get two kills. Note, i didnt pull any hard turns or climbs, I kept here fast and flew away with a hole in a my right wing. But i crashed landed on are airfeild though, lol.

My point, i never have been able to leave a base in a Jug, score two kills and live.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:17 PM
I was in the D-27 on a DF server last night.

Got jumped right after takeoff, zigged and zagged into a cloud and played hide and seek for a while. I got some help, but then was jumped again as I made my way back to base. I was hurting and couldn't do much but try to dive away. The punishment kept coming - mostly mg fire but some cannon rounds. But despite getting totally shot up, I was able to belly land on the strip (gear wouldn't deploy and I couldn't bail).

On the following flights, I got a couple of kills but was either PK'd or able to land after getting shot up a lot.

IMHO, and limited experience, the P-47, while fast and rugged, lacks the firepower to close the deal. Also, with most FB battles close to the ground, there isn't a lot of options but to zoom to alt when in danger. But the climb is lacking and I tended to lose max alt with each pass.

Similar tactics in a later FW 190A or Dora would have most likely gotten kills and certainly gotten clear of danger.

So, from what I've seen, the v.1.11 P-47 is not a top fighter. But I'll keep trying.

Is the D-22 better than the D-27?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 10:22 PM
Yes...for whatever reason the D-22 feels quite a bit different. Rolls faster, moves smoother through the air and is more responsive. Maybe thats just perception but it seems to be that way. The only downside is the aweful view http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 11:39 PM
I've got a whole 1/2 hour in a real life P-47 (yeah, I know, very little time). All I know is if the P-47 I flew in real life had the same characteristics as the IL-2 version, I would have crashed on takeoff! Yes, it's better, but what's with the boost still being set at idle? Nobody flew it like that in real life! They took advantage of its' strong points. Yes, it was a bit of a pig in a turn, but not that much of a pig. I hold absolutley no hope of the P-47 ever getting a fair shake in this game.

As far as the issue with the truck goes; they were trying to tell you in a not so polite way that the moderator has asked us to limit the size of pictures. Beyond that, I'll let the boys who get paid the big bucks (yeah right!) for being mods here address the issue. Just wanted to give a polite and respectful heads up on the issue at hand.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 11:45 PM
yes, fix it! what is the deal w/ anti jug sentiment?

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 11:59 PM
Sniper762x51 wrote:
- what is the deal w/ anti jug sentiment?

The soviets didn't like it and gave it a poor evaluation. So as a result, we are getting screwed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Zayets
09-11-2003, 12:14 AM
I'm a Jug fan , but I admit : if is one on one any FW , I mean , ANY! will eat alive in less than 5 minutes any Jug and that's no joke. Well , if there are 4 Jugs against 4 FW then my bets are 51% on Jugs and 49% on the FW's.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:22 AM
It's hard to use a P-47 as it was intended.

In a 1vs1 against a late FW190. The P-47 is outclassed.

In a 2vs2 against a Fw190. The P-47 is outclassed.

Two P-47's against one Fw190. The P-47 should win.

This of course is with equal pilots. I hate to admit this, but that's how it is. If the P-47 could take damage as it should, it might be different.

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:25 AM
Zayets wrote:
- I'm a Jug fan , but I admit : if is one on one any
- FW , I mean , ANY! will eat alive in less than 5
- minutes any Jug and that's no joke. Well , if there
- are 4 Jugs against 4 FW then my bets are 51% on
- Jugs and 49% on the FW's.
-
- Zayets out
-

True, in real life war they always operated in groups of 4. Lone wolves in the game should realize that. The 47 is a pack animal. Zemke realized that when he formed his wolf pack tactics against the german trying to intercept the bombers.
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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:13 AM
all depends on the pilot but flight wise the 109, 190, p-39, the la's, 262, brewster... will still hold dominant to the P-47, shes a tough old bird though

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:46 AM
I have gotten FW-190D-9s on my 6, shaken them, gotten into a knife fight, then gotten a fireing solution on them in my P-47D27. Don't say you can't beat the focke wulf in a knife fight because it is possibile if you fly your plane better than his. Ok he rolls better, thats fine. Both of you have sucky turn, great firepower, awsome dive, and a good zoom climb. Sounds like a good match up to me.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:52 AM
Knife fight? you mean a scissor...

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09-11-2003, 01:58 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:20 AM
Was a 190 really able to outdive a P-47..?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 12:16 PM
Flokkie wrote:
- Was a 190 really able to outdive a P-47..?

Not really, first, the 190 accelerated faster in dive, but then the Thuderbolt gained pretty fast if you kept diving long enough /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 01:05 PM
Its much better than it was and as long as you don't get into a turning fight it can be pretty effective. Not sure if it has been changed but the guns seem more effective now.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 02:07 PM
the jug is very competitive now...even the 27 model. I used to never make it home alive..now if u fly it right (start high and end it fast) and learn to make good deflection shots u can survive. I am loving the improvements. I think teh roll rate could be improved slightly on the D27 but it's useable now. One has to remember tho to never get in a turning fight with anyone....just BnZ that sucker. The .50's are more than capable now.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 02:34 PM
Yes,I found it can hold it's own against anything, it's huge weight ( and therefore inertia ) can be used to advantage when you get 'slow and low'. You you can make something like an Fw190 overshoot much easier than trying to out turn it. But in a energy fight, it's second only to the Me262

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 03:48 PM
It has been improved, yes. I actually had an extended opportunity to fly one last night and can say it is much better than it was. The D27 still rolls a little slow and the .50's must be concentrated to be effective.

My major criticism has been addressed though...speed. this bird can now (almost) keep up with anything in the game in level flight over 1000m. I was cruising at 4000m and bounced many opponents and would continue my dive on past. They had NO chance of catching me. I was diving consistently over 930 and 940 kph with very little wobble or shake and lost none of my control surfaces. I also had a very good wingman which made a huge difference, but nonetheless, even if I didn't have a wingy i would be confident in being able to attack and run without fear of retribution from my intended victim. At least not until he respawned and came looking for me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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