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iSapitntapit
11-19-2011, 12:26 PM
At the end of the movie, who was the man on the bench with Ezio?
Was he just a random character, or was he someone Ezio had run into somewhere else in the games and I just can't remember?

pacmanate
11-19-2011, 12:30 PM
According to the EXCYCLOPEDIA.......... it is unknown how ezio died and who that man was

iSapitntapit
11-19-2011, 12:31 PM
From what it looks like, the man poisoned him.

When he grabs his hand you can see a blade on his wrist.

LightRey
11-19-2011, 12:31 PM
Quoting myself from a PM regarding the same question:


I think he was just supposed to be a random Florentine citizen. I read the Encyclopedia entry on Ezio and they make no mention of the guy. As was clear (and is confirmed in the encyclopedia) Ezio had some illnesses at the end of his life that were likely the cause of his death. I also think that these illnesses were (partially) caused by the massive smoke inhalation that Ezio experienced during the fire in Cappadocia

sticks165
11-19-2011, 12:32 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)

LightRey
11-19-2011, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by sticks165:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)
Ah, good work. I had completely missed that thread.

iSapitntapit
11-19-2011, 12:34 PM
Perhaps I was wrong about him being poisoned, but that is definitely what it looked like haha.

SomaXD
11-21-2011, 05:08 PM
with the scar on the guys face... i thought it could have been someone ezio possibly attacked back in rome?

YHHTQ
11-21-2011, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by sticks165:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)

Can anyone see the question? I sure can't.

LightRey
11-22-2011, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sticks165:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)

Can anyone see the question? I sure can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The top line still has the last part of the question: "the Embers yet?". I don't think there's any good reason to doubt the authenticity of this. Besides, as I said the encyclopedia makes no mention of the guy and there's no good reason to assume he had anything to do with Ezio's death. End of story.

YHHTQ
11-22-2011, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sticks165:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)

Can anyone see the question? I sure can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The top line still has the last part of the question: "the Embers yet?". I don't think there's any good reason to doubt the authenticity of this. Besides, as I said the encyclopedia makes no mention of the guy and there's no good reason to assume he had anything to do with Ezio's death. End of story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not saying he has a good reason to lie or anything but the fact remains I can't see the question. Also, in what shape or form UbiGabe participated in the writing or production of Embers? Just curious really.

LightRey
11-22-2011, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
I'm not saying he has a good reason to lie or anything but the fact remains I can't see the question. Also, in what shape or form UbiGabe participated in the writing or production of Embers? Just curious really.
I have no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public.

Jarith-92
11-25-2011, 03:53 AM
no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle..

LightRey
11-25-2011, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Jarith-92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Cesare died. Period.
This isn't the Matrix, not Inception and not Terminator.

All things that are being said where people try to see clues for such things are merely there for symbolic purposes.

What Cesare said pertains to his attitude and to the way Ezio killed him. It was ironic.

As for the guy at the end of Embers, he was supposed to be a symbol for the kind of person Ezio used to be when he was young. The theme of Embers was to show the contrast between him as a young Assassin and him as an old retired mentor, which was ultimately symbolized in that conversation. That's all it is and imo, that's much more meaningful than thinking of some kind of weird theory that he was a "secret murderer" or something.

alientraveller
11-25-2011, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
As for the guy at the end of Embers, he was supposed to be a symbol for the kind of person Ezio used to be when he was young. The theme of Embers was to show the contrast between him as a young Assassin and him as an old retired mentor, which was ultimately symbolized in that conversation. That's all it is and imo, that's much more meaningful than thinking of some kind of weird theory that he was a "secret murderer" or something.

Quoted for truth. Honestly, some fans here sound like Sibrand, seeing baddies everywhere and inanely speculating Lucy's a Templar agent, that young Florentine poisoned Ezio or that Desmond's dad is evil.

LightRey
11-25-2011, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by alient91:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
As for the guy at the end of Embers, he was supposed to be a symbol for the kind of person Ezio used to be when he was young. The theme of Embers was to show the contrast between him as a young Assassin and him as an old retired mentor, which was ultimately symbolized in that conversation. That's all it is and imo, that's much more meaningful than thinking of some kind of weird theory that he was a "secret murderer" or something.

Quoted for truth. Honestly, some fans here sound like Sibrand, seeing baddies everywhere and inanely speculating Lucy's a Templar agent, that young Florentine poisoned Ezio or that Desmond's dad is evil. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Extra points for perfect analogy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RzaRecta357
11-25-2011, 08:12 AM
Hehe people thinking Cesare would come back. There is no magic here friends. Just technology long passed that the first civ made.

Sure there is the shroud. But it twists and deforms people more than it saves.

Plus, didn't it like imprint another peronality into the kid who was wrapped up as a baby in it. or did the apple do that? I forget now. Haha.

Assassin_M
11-25-2011, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
Hehe people thinking Cesare would come back. There is no magic here friends. Just technology long passed that the first civ made.

Sure there is the shroud. But it twists and deforms people more than it saves.

Plus, didn't it like imprint another peronality into the kid who was wrapped up as a baby in it. or did the apple do that? I forget now. Haha.
It was the shroud, as consus was present in him even before Giovanni had made any contact with the Apple.

RzaRecta357
11-25-2011, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Assassin_M:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
Hehe people thinking Cesare would come back. There is no magic here friends. Just technology long passed that the first civ made.

Sure there is the shroud. But it twists and deforms people more than it saves.

Plus, didn't it like imprint another peronality into the kid who was wrapped up as a baby in it. or did the apple do that? I forget now. Haha.
It was the shroud, as consus was present in him even before Giovanni had made any contact with the Apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! I really hope they touch on these things before AC3 finishes even though I doubt it.

He's the same one that as a young man went to Mexico and found a crystal skull too?

Assassin_M
11-25-2011, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Assassin_M:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
Hehe people thinking Cesare would come back. There is no magic here friends. Just technology long passed that the first civ made.

Sure there is the shroud. But it twists and deforms people more than it saves.

Plus, didn't it like imprint another peronality into the kid who was wrapped up as a baby in it. or did the apple do that? I forget now. Haha.
It was the shroud, as consus was present in him even before Giovanni had made any contact with the Apple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! I really hope they touch on these things before AC3 finishes even though I doubt it.

He's the same one that as a young man went to Mexico and found a crystal skull too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, he was kinda famous for it in the brotherhood.. you know as the one who has had most contact with the most number of Pieces of Eden..

RinoTheBouncer
11-25-2011, 10:35 AM
I totally see the young man as a younger version of Ezio, maybe he didn't even exist, maybe he's just some sort of manifestation of Ezio's youth that appeared before him before he passed away.

Embers made me cry, I just finished watching it and came to the forums to say this, I cried ...

RzaRecta357
11-25-2011, 11:14 AM
Haha. It didn't make me sad. I was more happy that he didn't get stabbed and his family wasn't hurt.

LightRey
11-25-2011, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by RinoTheBouncer:
I totally see the young man as a younger version of Ezio, maybe he didn't even exist, maybe he's just some sort of manifestation of Ezio's youth that appeared before him before he passed away.

Embers made me cry, I just finished watching it and came to the forums to say this, I cried ...
I had that thought too. Especially since we don't really see him when Ezio dies.

rubis78
11-25-2011, 11:39 PM
I think he stubbed him with the hidden blade
when he put his hand on ezio shoulder and stand up
you can hear the hidden blade go out and in

LightRey
11-26-2011, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by rubis78:
I think he stubbed him with the hidden blade
when he put his hand on ezio shoulder and stand up
you can hear the hidden blade go out and in
No you can't. You're imagining things. -___-
Again, the guy is not mentioned in the encyclopedia and UbiGabe said the guy was nobody.
Also, Ezio wasn't wounded. He didn't bleed.

Ezio was old and sick. That's why he died. Period.

TorQue1988
11-26-2011, 07:31 AM
The guy has to have some meaning, it can't just be random...from the conversation and the way he nabs his head at the end it's a clear indication that the man knew who Ezio was and Ezio understood what was coming to him.
I think he is a templar and poisons him when he grabs his hand, and he is not mentioned anywhere because no one saw the events unravel and Ezio's death remained a mystery for other assassins or it was just put on his illness or old age(Sofia and his daughter only saw Ezio collapsing after the man had left).
The way the man talked and the way he looked at Ezio at the end is very obvious. Plus he has a scar on his face that indicates he is a warrior.

alientraveller
11-26-2011, 11:10 AM
Ezio has a scar on his lip because Vieri threw a rock at him. The meaning was that man was Ezio when he was younger, a brash brawling womanizer who also possessed a kind heart beneath. "Courage, old man."

winterelf86
11-26-2011, 12:07 PM
Some of the theories about the guy at the end of Embers art just...kind of funny XD. I like the idea of what someone else said. The guy was a symbol of Ezio's youth and that's that.

Smegger_56
11-26-2011, 06:33 PM
Ezio wasn't murdered. The man died of illness and age. Did you not see him smile at his family before his death. He died happy and content. Not of someone who was murdered.

I'll own up... I cried at the end of Embers. Such a humble passing. He didn't die in a blaze of glory. He just passed away, a happy old man, near the ones he loved.

AU7thGear
11-26-2011, 08:39 PM
Wow Ubisoft have made AC fans paranoid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I can't believe someone suggested that it was Cesare! That made me laugh for a good 5 mins! Cesare died in 1507 in real life so it's impossible that it's him anyway. But yes I would say that that man had nothing to do with the story other than to show how much Ezio has grown. I like the notion that the man was just a figment of his imagination. I think this is the most plausible explanation. For those of you hoping for answers don't expect any. I think Ubisoft wants to let you decide for yourselves.

Ishmack
11-27-2011, 02:04 AM
I dunno about you guys but I wanna know what Ezio gave Shao Jun before she left and went back to her country.
Surely it cant be a Piece of Eden, because the one that he takes from Rodrigo Borgia in AC2, Ezio personally sealed that Piece of Eden in the Vault in Italy. We all know that because Desmond retrieves it in AC Brotherhood. When Ezio finds Altair's Piece of Eden in Masyaf in AC Revelations, he leaves it there. So what did he give Shao Jun? lol

SpitfireSpud
11-27-2011, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Ishmack:
I dunno about you guys but I wanna know what Ezio gave Shao Jun before she left and went back to her country.
Surely it cant be a Piece of Eden, because the one that he takes from Rodrigo Borgia in AC2, Ezio personally sealed that Piece of Eden in the Vault in Italy. We all know that because Desmond retrieves it in AC Brotherhood. When Ezio finds Altair's Piece of Eden in Masyaf in AC Revelations, he leaves it there. So what did he give Shao Jun? lol

Maybe the Codex from Altair and himself, as he was writing in a book also ?? as the Codex was from what Altair had seen/learned from the Apple, the same was as Ezio may have seen or learned from it... just maybe.

E-Zekiel
11-27-2011, 04:03 AM
I figure he gave her the Alta´r memories.

Gil_217
11-27-2011, 04:39 AM
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2hhoh36.jpg

IAMONAN
11-27-2011, 04:51 AM
I knew that kid was a Templar. He seemed very cocky and used old man Ezio to push himself off the bench.(I actually think he poisoned him during that motion)

LightRey
11-27-2011, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Gil_217:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2hhoh36.jpg
This is a fake. The video isn't that clear. You can't actually see what shape the red bit on that thing is. In fact, you can't even see well if it's red. This has been fotoshopped.

Bipolar Matt
11-27-2011, 07:48 AM
*sigh* Why can't people just accept that Ezio died peacefully of heart failure and leave it at that? Why do they want him to be poisoned so badly?

blazefp
11-27-2011, 07:52 AM
Lol check out Ezio's daughter's feet. O.o weird

LightRey
11-27-2011, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
*sigh* Why can't people just accept that Ezio died peacefully of heart failure and leave it at that? Why do they want him to be poisoned so badly?
I wish I knew. It's always the same with these things. Just like the red trail and Lucy's death in ACB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Bipolar Matt
11-27-2011, 08:08 AM
I just don't understand. It's almost like a form of passive-aggressiveness. Some people are bound and determined that Ezio is going to be murdered in this horrible, painful death by poisoning. And they're going to scrape up any kind of evidence or speculation to make that happen.

Have you ever poisoned someone in-game on AC:2 - AC:R? Poisoned targets do not die calmly and peacefully, like Ezio did.

LightRey
11-27-2011, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
I just don't understand. It's almost like a form of passive-aggressiveness. Some people are bound and determined that Ezio is going to be murdered in this horrible, painful death by poisoning. And they're going to scrape up any kind of evidence or speculation to make that happen.

Have you ever poisoned someone in-game on AC:2 - AC:R? Poisoned targets do not die calmly and peacefully, like Ezio did.
True. The Italian Templars preferred Cantarella, which was a kind of arsenic. It was a horribly painful and ugly way to go.

E-Zekiel
11-27-2011, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by blazefp:
Lol check out Ezio's daughter's feet. O.o weird

Tip toes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lone-momo
11-28-2011, 02:22 PM
I was watching the movie and I also nabbed a screenshot of a single frame in the movie while the dude is walking up to Ezio, before he sits down. That frame you can clearly see the red templar cross. I don't believe the dude poisoned Ezio, he might have, but it's already established through the rest of the movie that he's sick and in very poor condition.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/lone-momo/Picture2-10.png?t=1322514949
and the full screen:
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/lone-momo/Picture1-7.png?t=1322514959
There is no way this random guy, with all the 'evil' archetypical expressions was just a coincidence, especially seeing ezio's horrified and enraged reaction to the knowing look in the younger man's eyes.

blazefp
11-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Damn you lonemono, you are going to make watch the video again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:19 PM
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

Smegger_56
11-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me.

LightRey
11-28-2011, 03:26 PM
How did you guys get such clear screenshots? Every time I freeze the frame there it's just a red blur on his arm.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in.


Originally posted by LightRey:
How did you guys get such clear screenshots? Every time I freeze the frame there it's just a red blur on his arm.

VLC Media Player, mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

albertwesker22
11-28-2011, 03:28 PM
If he is a Templar, why are Ubi being so quiet about it?

LightRey
11-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
VLC Media Player, mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
That's what I'm using.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by albertwesker22:
If he is a Templar, why are Ubi being so quiet about it?

Is there anything at ALL not to be quit about? You can anaylse the ending in whichever way you want it. The fact that a nameless templar shows up does NOT mean that Ezio was killed by templars but rather - at least - they were a constant presence in his life, even in death.


Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
VLC Media Player, mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
That's what I'm using. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try Media Player Classic then; Works for me also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Smegger_56
11-28-2011, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you deal with the fact he died from illness alone? The whole film showed Ezio to be an unwell man, nearing his end. Maybe that guy was thrown in to make us, you know, debate and question. (also, I'm not trying to be confrontational. Just debating).

For me, Ezio died of illness and age. But he died happy and peacefully.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you deal with the fact he died from illness alone? The whole film showed Ezio to be an unwell man, nearing his end. Maybe that guy was thrown in to make us, you know, debate and question. (also, I'm not trying to be confrontational. Just debating).

For me, Ezio died of illness and age. But he died happy and peacefully. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learn how to read or interpret things properly, unless you can proove of course that I previously said that Ezio was poisoned by said nameless templar guy.

All I'm saying is that the guy WAS a templar. Period. Deal with it and move on.

Other than that, I ALSO think that Ezio died of natural causes.

Smegger_56
11-28-2011, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you deal with the fact he died from illness alone? The whole film showed Ezio to be an unwell man, nearing his end. Maybe that guy was thrown in to make us, you know, debate and question. (also, I'm not trying to be confrontational. Just debating).

For me, Ezio died of illness and age. But he died happy and peacefully. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learn how to read or interpret things properly, unless you can proove of course that I previously said that Ezio was poisoned by said nameless templar guy.

All I'm saying is that the guy WAS a templar. Period. Deal with it and move on.

Other than that, I ALSO think that Ezio died of natural causes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, lets BOTH stop with the aggression (the whole 'Deal with it' is getting out of hand... from both of us lol).

I apologize for interpreting what you said was Ezio was poisoned. I mis-understood with the whole Templar comment.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you deal with the fact he died from illness alone? The whole film showed Ezio to be an unwell man, nearing his end. Maybe that guy was thrown in to make us, you know, debate and question. (also, I'm not trying to be confrontational. Just debating).

For me, Ezio died of illness and age. But he died happy and peacefully. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learn how to read or interpret things properly, unless you can proove of course that I previously said that Ezio was poisoned by said nameless templar guy.

All I'm saying is that the guy WAS a templar. Period. Deal with it and move on.

Other than that, I ALSO think that Ezio died of natural causes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, lets BOTH stop with the aggression (the whole 'Deal with it' is getting out of hand... from both of us lol).

I apologize for interpreting what you said was Ezio was poisoned. I mis-understood with the whole Templar comment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok then. My apologies as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's just that ever since I posted that pic, everywhere I go I'm being accused(?!) of saying that Ezio was poisoned which, once again, I don't believe was the case.

Again, it was just the templars messing with his head, most likely even displaying some respect for the man. Ahmet and the guy from the DLC DaVinci clearly admired Ezio to say the least, just to mention a couple of nemesis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LightRey
11-28-2011, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
Try Media Player Classic then; Works for me also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Still didn't work. :/

Smegger_56
11-28-2011, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Smegger_56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
By the way, the first picture of said frame posted in the previous page was taken by ME(!) and no, it was NOT done using Photoshop since I don't even have that kind of software installed.

Why people have an issue believing that's a templar cross is beyond me...

And why people can't accept that he was a 'nothing' guy and that Ezio died peacfully, which for me carries more emotional weight, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pictures don't lie; Deal with it. If you don't like it, you can always e-mail Ubisoft saying you dislike the notion of Ezio being killed by some nameless templar, a scenario in which I don't believe in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you deal with the fact he died from illness alone? The whole film showed Ezio to be an unwell man, nearing his end. Maybe that guy was thrown in to make us, you know, debate and question. (also, I'm not trying to be confrontational. Just debating).

For me, Ezio died of illness and age. But he died happy and peacefully. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learn how to read or interpret things properly, unless you can proove of course that I previously said that Ezio was poisoned by said nameless templar guy.

All I'm saying is that the guy WAS a templar. Period. Deal with it and move on.

Other than that, I ALSO think that Ezio died of natural causes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, lets BOTH stop with the aggression (the whole 'Deal with it' is getting out of hand... from both of us lol).

I apologize for interpreting what you said was Ezio was poisoned. I mis-understood with the whole Templar comment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok then. My apologies as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's just that ever since I posted that pic, everywhere I go I'm being accused(?!) of saying that Ezio was poisoned which, once again, I don't believe was the case.

Again, it was just the templars messing with his head, most likely even displaying some respect for the man. Ahmet and the guy from the DLC DaVinci clearly admired Ezio to say the least, just to mention a couple of nemesis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I may have been one of those guys. So sorry from my part too :-).

But yeah, I like that theory. That a Templar came to him as a sign of respect. It would show the Templars are not all dishonorable people too (though they're wrong in what they do lol).

But yeah, I think Ezio dying naturally, happy and peaceful, was far more emotional. All the tragedy in his life, he dies happy. Beautiful.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
Try Media Player Classic then; Works for me also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Still didn't work. :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try to install CCCP. I just used and it works fine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
Try Media Player Classic then; Works for me also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Still didn't work. :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try to install CCCP. I just used and it works fine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nah, I'm not gonna download yet another media player. I believe you.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
Try Media Player Classic then; Works for me also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Still didn't work. :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try to install CCCP. I just used and it works fine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nah, I'm not gonna download yet another media player. I believe you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it odd that VLC player doesn't work for you. You are using the cursor keys I assume...?!

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
I find it odd that VLC player doesn't work for you. You are using the cursor keys I assume...?!
Well it plays it just fine. It's just not as detailed as that picture for some reason.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
I find it odd that VLC player doesn't work for you. You are using the cursor keys I assume...?!
Well it plays it just fine. It's just not as detailed as that picture for some reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know what to say really. I grabbed the screenshot from the DVD which came included with the Animus Edition.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a proper graphics card or is it onboard?

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
I find it odd that VLC player doesn't work for you. You are using the cursor keys I assume...?!
Well it plays it just fine. It's just not as detailed as that picture for some reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know what to say really. I grabbed the screenshot from the DVD which came included with the Animus Edition.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a proper graphics card or is it onboard? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have a proper graphics card, so that shouldn't be the problem and even if it were I tried playing it on my xbox with the same results.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
I have a proper graphics card, so that shouldn't be the problem and even if it were I tried playing it on my xbox with the same results.

The Xbox 360 is NOT suitable since it does not allow a frame-by-frame method of play; Also...

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3729/72263680.jpg

Just grabbed.

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
I have a proper graphics card, so that shouldn't be the problem and even if it were I tried playing it on my xbox with the same results.

The Xbox 360 is NOT suitable since it does not allow a frame-by-frame method of play; Also...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I know. It was just to check the quality of the picture.

Still not working btw.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
I have a proper graphics card, so that shouldn't be the problem and even if it were I tried playing it on my xbox with the same results.

The Xbox 360 is NOT suitable since it does not allow a frame-by-frame method of play; Also...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I know. It was just to check the quality of the picture.

Still not working btw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Three possibilities then...

- Graphics card
- Drivers
- Codecs

- - - -

That's all I can think of.

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
I have a proper graphics card, so that shouldn't be the problem and even if it were I tried playing it on my xbox with the same results.

The Xbox 360 is NOT suitable since it does not allow a frame-by-frame method of play; Also...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I know. It was just to check the quality of the picture.

Still not working btw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Three possibilities then...

- Graphics card
- Drivers
- Codecs

- - - -

That's all I can think of. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well I doubt it's a codec problem since that usually causes the player to refuse to play the file.
I'm quite sure all my drivers are up to date too.
I guess it could be my graphics card.

rain89c
11-28-2011, 07:19 PM
I can confirm that screenshot is not photoshopped.
100% legit.

blazefp
11-29-2011, 12:05 PM
I can't get that pic so detailed either. It seems a cross but with the image so blurred I can't say for sure.

He actually says "coraggio, vecchio" which is Italian for "courage, old man" so I would say Ezio knows him, or at least knows someone related to him. The look in Ezio's eyes after coughing is somewhat revealing and the approval of the templar afterwards was like "yeah, I'm the guy you're thinking". He also disappears after Ezio's death and innocents don't flee.

If I were to bet, based on his face, I would say he can be one of the many Cesare's sons. I don't know if Duccio had sons too but if he did then he's also one of my bets (notice Ezio and the bad guy are around the same place Duccio has been beaten for the first time)

TorQue1988
11-29-2011, 12:48 PM
Dude Duccio is a loser scared ****less by Ezio, so he is definitely out of the question...

blazefp
11-29-2011, 01:07 PM
I didn't said Duccio, I said Duccio's son

LightRey
11-29-2011, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by blazefp:
I didn't said Duccio, I said Duccio's son
Did he have a son though?

blazefp
11-30-2011, 04:54 AM
I don't know. That's why I used a conditional sentence http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

EscoBlades
11-30-2011, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
*sigh* Why can't people just accept that Ezio died peacefully of heart failure and leave it at that? Why do they want him to be poisoned so badly?
I wish I knew. It's always the same with these things. Just like the red trail and Lucy's death in ACB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe i can get Darby to explain who that guy was on a podcast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

roostersrule2
11-30-2011, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by EscoBlades:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
*sigh* Why can't people just accept that Ezio died peacefully of heart failure and leave it at that? Why do they want him to be poisoned so badly?
I wish I knew. It's always the same with these things. Just like the red trail and Lucy's death in ACB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe i can get Darby to explain who that guy was on a podcast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Holy Crap Yes!!!

LightRey
11-30-2011, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by EscoBlades:
Maybe i can get Darby to explain who that guy was on a podcast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
That would be awesome. Though it would not completely finish it (just like with the whole red trail thing), it would at least be enough quell the discussion every time it's revived.

TorQue1988
11-30-2011, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by blazefp:
I didn't said Duccio, I said Duccio's son
It's the same thing...why would Duccio's son want revenge on Ezio?
Like i said Duccio is a loser and just a funny element in AC , and probably he doesn't even have a son in the first place, but if he had do you think he would tell his son that there is an evil man named Ezio Auditore that kicks his butt whenever they meet?
Seriously Duccio is scared ****less by Ezio and wouldn't want to **** him off even more, thus becoming a worthless drunkard.

blazefp
11-30-2011, 09:45 AM
Yeah that wasn't a decent theory. I just thought of it because Ezio dies close to the same place he first beat Duccio

TorQue1988
11-30-2011, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by blazefp:
Yeah that wasn't a decent theory. I just thought of it because Ezio dies close to the same place he first beat Duccio
Yeah well i guess that dude remains a mystery, unless EscoBlades gets an official answer from the devs, which would be great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

tarrero
11-30-2011, 10:00 AM
There is thread in which is explained that he is a nobody

check this out

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)

TorQue1988
11-30-2011, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by tarrero:
There is thread in which is explained that he is a nobody

check this out

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)
Yeah i know that but this picture actually proves that he can't be just a random guy. So probably Gabe was just misinformed.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/lone-momo/Picture2-10.png?t=1322514949

exellano626
11-30-2011, 10:31 AM
On one hand it might just be a the clasp for his bracer. And the perpendicular line might just be the shadow underneath...
Our brains tend to fill in the gaps with ambiguous pictures and we may just be seeing Templar crosses were there are none.
Also all he does is squeeze Ezio's hand, I don't see how he could've administered poison...
But on the other hand they do share a Look and I may just be drawing these excuses from my reluctance to accept the fact that Ezio was poisoned (horrible!)
That podcast can't come quick enough!

luckyto
11-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by rain89c:
I can confirm that screenshot is not photoshopped.
100% legit.

Yes. It is fuzzy with motion blur up until one exact frame, and then it is clear as day: a Templar Cross. Not a clasp or anything else. A clearly defined Templar Cross. I'm using Quicktime. Make sure your video is showing it in Progressive mode.

That guy is a Templar. The whole time I kept waiting for him to say, "Lucrezia sends her regards."

Grandmaster_Z
12-01-2011, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by EscoBlades:


Maybe i can get Darby to explain who that guy was on a podcast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes please

Grandmaster_Z
12-01-2011, 11:42 AM
looks like he has ezios facial features...am i being paranoid?? hah.

IFlip92
12-01-2011, 06:08 PM
Here is my opinion of it.

Seeing the picture posted above he clearly was a templar but if you look at him he is not some big hot shot templar he is probably some new recruit who doesn't know who Ezio is or was but it just so happens to sit next to him on that day to provide contrast on the story. He also seems to be around the same age as Ezio was when he was like him, "a playful and slightly disrespectful womanizer, but with a kind heart". Ezio has definitely noticed that he is a templar and he is scared for his family's life but soon realizes that the guy doesn't know who he is, hence why his face goes funny and then he becomes calm, but he sees himself in the young Templar and that he could have easily made a bad choice when he was young and have gone with the Templars instead of the Assassins and his mind finds its piece thinking that he has made the right choice and lived his life doing good and is finally at peace with the path he followed in his life.

naran6142
12-01-2011, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by IFlip92:
Here is my opinion of it.

Seeing the picture posted above he clearly was a templar but if you look at him he is not some big hot shot templar he is probably some new recruit who doesn't know who Ezio is or was but it just so happens to sit next to him on that day to provide contrast on the story. He also seems to be around the same age as Ezio was when he was like him, "a playful and slightly disrespectful womanizer, but with a kind heart". Ezio has definitely noticed that he is a templar and he is scared for his family's life but soon realizes that the guy doesn't know who he is, hence why his face goes funny and then he becomes calm, but he sees himself in the young Templar and that he could have easily made a bad choice when he was young and have gone with the Templars instead of the Assassins and his mind finds its piece thinking that he has made the right choice and lived his life doing good and is finally at peace with the path he followed in his life.

I like this, make perfect sense to me

but in ACB one of the trade items was a poison ring, so maybe this guy was wearing one and poisoned ezio when he grabbed his hand...

just throwing it out there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

for the record i dont think he was poisoned http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

blazefp
12-02-2011, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by IFlip92:
Here is my opinion of it.

Seeing the picture posted above he clearly was a templar but if you look at him he is not some big hot shot templar he is probably some new recruit who doesn't know who Ezio is or was but it just so happens to sit next to him on that day to provide contrast on the story. He also seems to be around the same age as Ezio was when he was like him, "a playful and slightly disrespectful womanizer, but with a kind heart". Ezio has definitely noticed that he is a templar and he is scared for his family's life but soon realizes that the guy doesn't know who he is, hence why his face goes funny and then he becomes calm, but he sees himself in the young Templar and that he could have easily made a bad choice when he was young and have gone with the Templars instead of the Assassins and his mind finds its piece thinking that he has made the right choice and lived his life doing good and is finally at peace with the path he followed in his life.

Good theory. That would explain why Gabe said he was nobody

Assassin_M
12-02-2011, 05:25 AM
When Ezio was going to sit down on the bench, I thought that it will change to a shot with a sniper pointing right at Ezio.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LightRey
12-02-2011, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by IFlip92:
Here is my opinion of it.

Seeing the picture posted above he clearly was a templar but if you look at him he is not some big hot shot templar he is probably some new recruit who doesn't know who Ezio is or was but it just so happens to sit next to him on that day to provide contrast on the story. He also seems to be around the same age as Ezio was when he was like him, "a playful and slightly disrespectful womanizer, but with a kind heart". Ezio has definitely noticed that he is a templar and he is scared for his family's life but soon realizes that the guy doesn't know who he is, hence why his face goes funny and then he becomes calm, but he sees himself in the young Templar and that he could have easily made a bad choice when he was young and have gone with the Templars instead of the Assassins and his mind finds its piece thinking that he has made the right choice and lived his life doing good and is finally at peace with the path he followed in his life.
This appears to be the most sensible explanation.

kriegerdesgottes
12-11-2011, 09:53 PM
Maybe i can get Darby to explain who that guy was on a podcast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Please do. Even if he can't talk about who the guy is, I'd like to at least know if he has any significance whatsoever. Thanks again for asking the good questions.

LordWolv
12-11-2011, 11:26 PM
Whether that kid was a templar or not, I expect it doesn't matter.

The Official Assassin's Creed Encyclopaedia says this:

"In 1524, after a lifetime of intense fighting and incredible heroism, Ezio Auditore passed away suddenly in a Florentine Piazza at the age of 65, his wife by his side. While the precise circumstances of his death remain a mystery, the prevailing opinion holds that Ezio, having suffered from chronic ailments for many years, finally succumbed to the injuries acquired during his three decades as one of the most talented and devoted Assassins to the Brotherhood had ever known."

There.

adittza89
12-15-2011, 05:05 AM
In the end, Ezio recognizes that man... If you check the image you will see how his eyes got wider, and then it shows the other man`s face with a smile and shortly approves with his head telling him that he is right.

It`s to bad Ubisoft left this unfinished. I hope they will clear it

LightRey
12-15-2011, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by adittza89:
In the end, Ezio recognizes that man... If you check the image you will see how his eyes got wider, and then it shows the other man`s face with a smile and shortly approves with his head telling him that he is right.

It`s to bad Ubisoft left this unfinished. I hope they will clear it
Ubigabe already explained that the man was supposed to represent Ezio as a young man. Ezio realized that when he saw him. He recognized the man as himself, not that the man was him of course, but to Ezio the man symbolized him when he was still young.

There is nothing more to it. Let it go everyone.

CRUDFACE
12-15-2011, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Isaac500:
Whether that kid was a templar or not, I expect it doesn't matter.

The Official Assassin's Creed Encyclopaedia says this:

"In 1524, after a lifetime of intense fighting and incredible heroism, Ezio Auditore passed away suddenly in a Florentine Piazza at the age of 65, his wife by his side. While the precise circumstances of his death remain a mystery, the prevailing opinion holds that Ezio, having suffered from chronic ailments for many years, finally succumbed to the injuries acquired during his three decades as one of the most talented and devoted Assassins to the Brotherhood had ever known."

There.

The other stuff you high lighted seem to be just add on to basically saying that he had a heart attack. While I don't like it. It is what it is.

xsparrowxx
12-16-2011, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Jarith-92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Cesare fell off a castle, survived... And then got younger? Interesting theory. I would like to know more. How did Cesare get this magical anti-aging juice?

LightRey
12-16-2011, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by xsparrowxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jarith-92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Cesare fell off a castle, survived... And then got younger? Interesting theory. I would like to know more. How did Cesare get this magical anti-aging juice? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why from the gift shop in hell of course.

Assassin_M
12-16-2011, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xsparrowxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jarith-92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Cesare fell off a castle, survived... And then got younger? Interesting theory. I would like to know more. How did Cesare get this magical anti-aging juice? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why from the gift shop in hell of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Awww come on guys, he said he wasnt sure..

r4inm4n1991
12-16-2011, 12:41 PM
The guy that speaks to Ezio in the end reminded me of Vieri de Pazzi! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

LightRey
12-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by r4inm4n1991:
The guy that speaks to Ezio in the end reminded me of Vieri de Pazzi! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Not surprising. I think Vieri was supposed to represent the "Ezio" of the Templars, when he was still young.

SteelerLuke
12-16-2011, 03:04 PM
When I first watched Embers my initial thought was that the guy at the end had killed Ezio. My reasoning for this is that the guy only had one arm-brace on which I automatically assumed as weaponry. Also, when the guy touches Ezio's hand Ezio looks down towards it, but to be fair he might have looked down just to see what the hell the guy was doing touching his hand!

However, after watching the video twice more, I do not think Ezio was killed. I also do not think the guy at the end was anyone significant, he was just a Florentine citizen just like Ezio used to be & I thought this little scene was to symbolize the journey Ezio has made - from an ordinary citizen to Master Assassin Mentor.

In the video Ezio worries that when he dies he won't have achieved anything else other than the work he did whilst an Assassin. However, when he sees the similarities between the guy on the bench & himself when he was that age, he realises just how far he has come from that stage (that old saying - in the end you start thinking about the beginning) & recognises that everything he did has resulted in him having his family. That's why he looks over & smiles at them, he is finally content & his worry is over.

The main reason I think Ezio wasn't murdered though is because I think it would be a little odd of Ubisoft to have Ezio murdered in a spin-off 25 minute video clip. To be honest if I hadn't Googled this forum 2 days ago & began reading through the threads I wouldn't have known anything about Embers. Ezio being murdered would be a pretty big deal seeing as though we've played as him for 3 games, & if that wasn't included in the game I would be VERY disappointed.

r4inm4n1991
12-16-2011, 03:54 PM
Also, anyone knows whats inside the box that Ezio gives to Shao Jun?

blazefp
12-16-2011, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by r4inm4n1991:
Also, anyone knows whats inside the box that Ezio gives to Shao Jun?

Ezio knows :|

Millhouse3rd
12-16-2011, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by TorQue1988:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tarrero:
There is thread in which is explained that he is a nobody

check this out

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1039408/m/4371016269 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/4371016269)
Yeah i know that but this picture actually proves that he can't be just a random guy. So probably Gabe was just misinformed.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/lone-momo/Picture2-10.png?t=1322514949 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These were the times when the Catholic Church reigned supreme over the hearts and minds of most citizens, so it wouldn't be weird to see someone carrying the symbol of the cross as an ornament.

xsparrowxx
12-16-2011, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xsparrowxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jarith-92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no idea. However he is a spokesperson for Ubisoft to the fans and as such he has most of the information that is allowed to be released to the public

I think it was cesare borgia.. I'm not sure, but perhaps he survived the fall from the castle.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Cesare fell off a castle, survived... And then got younger? Interesting theory. I would like to know more. How did Cesare get this magical anti-aging juice? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why from the gift shop in hell of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Next AC game. Desmond has to go to Hell's gift shop and get magical anti-aging juice to bring back Ezio, Altair, and Those Who Came Before. Because Desmond can't do anything and needs to get some people who can.

richterthiago
12-20-2011, 09:12 AM
For some reason, I thought the brat next to Ezio might have been a descendant of the Vieri de' Pazzi. The attitude, the smirk, it just reminded me of him. Besides, they're sitting really close to where Fracesco was shown hanged by Ezio in AC2, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it would make some ironic sense, if that was really the case.
I do not think he killed him, though. That would be a ludicrous way of killing Ezio. C'mon, he's a legendary assassin. If he was killed by a Pazzi (or whoever that lame kid is) brat, it would be extremely lame.

Assassin_M
12-20-2011, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by richterthiago:
For some reason, I thought the brat next to Ezio might have been a descendant of the Vieri de' Pazzi. The attitude, the smirk, it just reminded me of him. Besides, they're sitting really close to where Fracesco was shown hanged by Ezio in AC2, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it would make some ironic sense, if that was really the case.
I do not think he killed him, though. That would be a ludicrous way of killing Ezio. C'mon, he's a legendary assassin. If he was killed by a Pazzi (or whoever that lame kid is) brat, it would be extremely lame.
Vieri never married http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

richterthiago
12-20-2011, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Assassin_M:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by richterthiago:
For some reason, I thought the brat next to Ezio might have been a descendant of the Vieri de' Pazzi. The attitude, the smirk, it just reminded me of him. Besides, they're sitting really close to where Fracesco was shown hanged by Ezio in AC2, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it would make some ironic sense, if that was really the case.
I do not think he killed him, though. That would be a ludicrous way of killing Ezio. C'mon, he's a legendary assassin. If he was killed by a Pazzi (or whoever that lame kid is) brat, it would be extremely lame.
Vieri never married http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hum, indeed, but you do not have to be married to have a kid. Hence Cesare (and a million other less famous faces). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He almost raped Cristina once. He could have raped or engaged in less morally-questionable sexual encounters with a lot of girls before he died.

Gil_217
12-20-2011, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Assassin_M:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by richterthiago:
For some reason, I thought the brat next to Ezio might have been a descendant of the Vieri de' Pazzi. The attitude, the smirk, it just reminded me of him. Besides, they're sitting really close to where Fracesco was shown hanged by Ezio in AC2, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it would make some ironic sense, if that was really the case.
I do not think he killed him, though. That would be a ludicrous way of killing Ezio. C'mon, he's a legendary assassin. If he was killed by a Pazzi (or whoever that lame kid is) brat, it would be extremely lame.
Vieri never married http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know he never married??

H3llboy01
12-20-2011, 06:00 PM
ezio was dying we all know this, and as a result he was imagining things as he came to his final hours he began to imagine his own murder. if you watch embers when the man first walks up he has a Templar symbol on his wrist. but when the cam pan out the man is not here, also ezio began hallucinating in the berry field... conclusion he hallucinated his own murder.

LightRey
12-21-2011, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by H3llboy01:
ezio was dying we all know this, and as a result he was imagining things as he came to his final hours he began to imagine his own murder. if you watch embers when the man first walks up he has a Templar symbol on his wrist. but when the cam pan out the man is not here, also ezio began hallucinating in the berry field... conclusion he hallucinated his own murder.
Actually, Ezio wasn't hallucinating in the berry field. He saw Shao Jun approaching, but she had disappeared when he looked again. His age and possibly his condition (which was likely related to the smoke he inhaled in Cappadocia) might also have had an effect on his eyesight.

Oh, and Vieri never married, because there's not record of him ever marrying. He died young, so it's not surprising.

sealyalf
12-28-2011, 06:07 PM
My personal idea of what happened is that the man who is seen at the end IS a Templar however he does not exist. As we all now Ezio was old and probably ill. He would of died by the illness anyways but all the fighting ( and the smoke ) would of exelerated his illness.
I think that the man was a figment of his imagination and was the opposite of Ezio, here are my reasons.

First is the scar, Ezio has a scar on his right of his cheek however the stranger has it on his left. Also Ezio never wanted to move to Rome and the big citys he wanted to stay in Florenze ( or whatever its called ). The stranger also thought that Florenze had ugly women but Ezio seemed to like quite a few of there women.

There I think is no dought the man was a Templar, which leads to another reason. I think that this man is what would of happened if Ezio had become a Templar not a Assassin, he would of been a jerk. The stranger did not exist because only a 1 second after he walked away Ezio died ( in the film its about 20 secs but its in slow mo ) nd the man no matter how hard you look when the camera moves up he can not be seen. Ezio died of natural causes END OF.

Blacksheep045
01-19-2012, 11:26 AM
I'll repost my post from another thread here.

This was taken from the official assassins creed wiki-
"During an online chat session, Gabe Graziani confirmed that the young man at the end was not an important character in the franchise, merely a reference to Ezio's past attitude and views as a young man. However, he has since retracted this statement, explaining that he did not know all the details behind the stranger and his significance in the scene."

I think that this pretty much settles that the opposite of Gabe's original statement is true. ALSO, for those that do not know, the templar cross is very distinct and significant.

Templar Cross- http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/images/templarcross2.jpg
Traditional Cristian Cross- http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/spiritual-wallpapers/cross.gif

The cross on the young man's hand is clearly templar.

LightRey
01-19-2012, 11:31 AM
I'll repost my post from another thread here.

This was taken from the official assassins creed wiki-
"During an online chat session, Gabe Graziani confirmed that the young man at the end was not an important character in the franchise, merely a reference to Ezio's past attitude and views as a young man. However, he has since retracted this statement, explaining that he did not know all the details behind the stranger and his significance in the scene."

I think that this pretty much settles that the opposite of Gabe's original statement is true. ALSO, for those that do not know, the templar cross is very distinct and significant.

Templar Cross- http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/images/templarcross2.jpg
Traditional Cristian Cross- http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/spiritual-wallpapers/cross.gif

The cross on the young man's hand is clearly templar.

Which still means absolutely nothing.

PurpleHaze1980
01-19-2012, 12:09 PM
I thought that young man looked a little like Vieri de Pazzi from Assassins Creed II and had wondered if perhaps he'd sired some kind of illegitimate offspring who had maybe vowed to assassinate the Assassin who ruined the plans of his corrupt family.

Either that or he was meant to be some kind of 'angel of death' (I don't like the reference of him being a younger counterpart to Ezio so Ezio can look upon him and realise who he used to be before he snuffs it). I did think the young man looked a little 'smug' in reaction of Ezio's 'heartattack' and regardless of being told he was some 'random character', the whole thing was suspicious and why put it in there if it had no meaning? I think it really did have meaning, and one can only wonder if it will end up somewhere in a DLC or another game.

LightRey
01-19-2012, 12:19 PM
I thought that young man looked a little like Vieri de Pazzi from Assassins Creed II and had wondered if perhaps he'd sired some kind of illegitimate offspring who had maybe vowed to assassinate the Assassin who ruined the plans of his corrupt family.

Either that or he was meant to be some kind of 'angel of death' (I don't like the reference of him being a younger counterpart to Ezio so Ezio can look upon him and realise who he used to be before he snuffs it). I did think the young man looked a little 'smug' in reaction of Ezio's 'heartattack' and regardless of being told he was some 'random character', the whole thing was suspicious and why put it in there if it had no meaning? I think it really did have meaning, and one can only wonder if it will end up somewhere in a DLC or another game.

Of course it had meaning, but it could much better be explained by him simply being a young Templar, who reminded Ezio of what he was like when he was young, which is something of great significance within the theme of Embers.

GunnarGunderson
01-20-2012, 12:58 AM
I saw a screen grab of Embers. I'm unsure if it was editied because I can't find a version of Embers with a high enough quality online but in this screenshot you could see the Templar insignia on the inside of his wrist

LightRey
01-20-2012, 01:51 AM
I saw a screen grab of Embers. I'm unsure if it was editied because I can't find a version of Embers with a high enough quality online but in this screenshot you could see the Templar insignia on the inside of his wrist

eh, yeah, we know. It's posted in this thread.

ElvisMasur
01-20-2012, 03:17 AM
That picture pretty much answers the question: Ezio was killed by a borgia guy. And yeah, I know, it's hard to accept such lame ending for a legend.

sticks165
01-20-2012, 03:34 AM
wrong there were no more borgias alive at that time except for lucrezia and she wasn't affiliated with the templars

LightRey
01-20-2012, 11:29 AM
wrong there were no more borgias alive at that time except for lucrezia and she wasn't affiliated with the templars

Exactly. It doesn't answer any question at all. The guy did absolutely nothing and Ezio just *happened* to have been chronically ill for months if not years. He died because he was a sick old man. The Templar had merely a symbolic meaning.

BenlovesBeyonce
02-02-2012, 03:53 AM
I really think the guy at the end of Embers was an assassin. Because Ezio is stressing in the movie that he didn't get everything done, and the way the mysterious man smiled and nodded his head at Ezio was a way of saying it's okay kinda thing...I mean he did tell Ezio to rest! And Ezio died knowing that his legacy went on, hence the smile!

kenshijr
02-02-2012, 06:09 AM
i agree with others that it could have represented ezio when he was younger back in AC2 how he chased women afterall ezio was a young playboy in the beginning of AC2, talking bout women and all. I just think its crazy both ezio and altair died sitting down. Altair on a chair and ezio on a bench, maybe ironic. both of them mentors, killed hundreds of people possibly thousands. you never know desmond might die while sitting on the animus at the end of AC3

nevio_m
05-13-2013, 03:01 AM
wrong there were no more borgias alive at that time except for lucrezia and she wasn't affiliated with the templars

Wrong. According to Ubisoft's own AC Encyclopedia and Project Legacy, Lucrezia had several children. One of them, Giovanni, became an Assassin.
It's uncertain if he was son of the assassin Perotto Calderon or Cesare himself. Anyway, he was born with several malformations and was cured by Perotto using the Shroud, despite the opposition of fellow assassins.
Due to that, he was cured but gained the ability to relive the past memories of his ancestors (Brutus among all) and to communicate telepatically with an invisible entity he called Consus.
He had unique abilities using the fruits of Eden nobody had, like being able to use them to make to his own thoughts into real things, therefore conjuring matter from nothing.
He found a Crystal Skull during Cortez espedition, was able to read Paracelsus' Book (a relic containing informations so powerful that made men nuts just briefly looking at them).
He dedicated his own life to the study of the Skull and did it for more then 20 years.
I'm not suggesting he is the guy in the video, but telling no Borgias were alive at the time is simply not true.

Bashilir
05-13-2013, 03:16 AM
Wrong. According to Ubisoft's own AC Encyclopedia and Project Legacy, Lucrezia had several children. One of them, Giovanni, became an Assassin.
It's uncertain if he was son of the assassin Perotto Calderon or Cesare himself. Anyway, he was born with several malformations and was cured by Perotto using the Shroud, despite the opposition of fellow assassins.
Due to that, he was cured but gained the ability to relive the past memories of his ancestors (Brutus among all) and to communicate telepatically with an invisible entity he called Consus.
He had unique abilities using the fruits of Eden nobody had, like being able to use them to make to his own thoughts into real things, therefore conjuring matter from nothing.
He found a Crystal Skull during Cortez espedition, was able to read Paracelsus' Book (a relic containing informations so powerful that made men nuts just briefly looking at them).
He dedicated his own life to the study of the Skull and did it for more then 20 years.
I'm not suggesting he is the guy in the video, but telling no Borgias were alive at the time is simply not true.

You realize how old of a comment that you're replying to is, right?