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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 09:38 PM
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What a beautiful flying little plane. Anyone got any Rata stories or tips ?


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 09:38 PM
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What a beautiful flying little plane. Anyone got any Rata stories or tips ?


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:04 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 03:42 AM
thats a nice sig where is that rata at ? it is a fun fly(in the sim) even though i fly lw almost exclusivly .......dont pitch down !!!=engine no work

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:09 AM
tenmmike wrote:
- thats a nice sig where is that rata at ? it is a
- fun fly(in the sim) even though i fly lw almost
- exclusivly .......dont pitch down !!!=engine no work
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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:19 AM
Well, I know many stories about the I-16. It was (with I-15) the main Republican fighter during Spanish Civil War (I'm Spanish). The Republicans called it "Mosca" ("Fly") because of the reading "Moskva" that appeared in the boxes where they were transported. "Rata" is a name adopted by the Nationalists forces.

Some soviet pilots and instructors arrived in 1937 to help the Spanish pilots with the new plane. Many of them later disappeared during Stalin's "purgues" in the Red Army.

The first I-16s ruled the skies until the arrival of Luftwaffe's experimental Legion Kondor, and their Bf 109 Bs. Even then, some I-16s were equiped with Wright-Cyclone engines that made them superior to 109 Bs, until the arrival of the new 109 Es in 1939. These re-engined "Moscas" were called "Cold Noses" because the propeller hub was painted in white, as a mean to differenciate them.

There was a setback with these planes. Due to the tiny length of the airframe, the elevator controls tended to get inverted in a steep dive, at high speeds. If you wanted to recover from a steep dive, you had to push the stick forward, instead of pulling up. Many novice pilots payed this with their lives. (This has not been modelled in FB!)

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 08:08 AM
Salute

The I-16's actual Russian nickname is "Ishak", which means "Little Donkey", no doubt referring to the small size of the plane and the temperamental nature of its flight envelope. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Rata" is a name the Fascist Spaniards gave to it and shouldn't be used by any self respecting Soviet or Allied Flyer.

The "Ishak" is a wonderful little plane, only outdone in a close quarters all out knifefight by its little brother the I-153.

By the way, the I-16 Type 24 was a relatively rare model. Most I-16's were only equipped with 7.62 mm MG's. The Type 18 was more representative of the I-16's which equipped the Soviet Airforce at the start of the Great Patriotic War.

I-16's were the most numerous Fighter in the VVS at the start of the war, and continued in service right into late 1942.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 05:44 PM
Thank you for the info, it's now Ishak!

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in a campaign. I have taken down a STuka or two with just the 2 .30s which was very satisfying! I think the Ishak's incredible manueverability allows you to get in really close without fear of collision, (assuming you have the speed of course.)

Anmother thing I like is if a tale gunner is homing in on me & I don't feel I have time to evade his fire I can pull the nose up & that big ol'e engine protects my pilots knoggin. Also seems to be a pretty good engine. I haven't really been hit in 1.1b tho so does my little donkey take less fire than before ?

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 05:54 PM
If you go here there's a few films and pictures of I-16s and I-153s flying. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.polikarpov.co.nz/pages/album.html


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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:57 PM
RAF74BuzzsawXO wrote:
- Salute
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- The I-16's actual Russian nickname is "Ishak", which
- means "Little Donkey", no doubt referring to the
- small size of the plane and the temperamental nature
- of its flight envelope.

Hello,

Small correction: "Ishak" is not a "Little Donkey", but just a "Donkey". "Little Donkey" is "Ishachok" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Anyways, this name has nothing to do with the flight characteristics of the plane, it just sounds right.

Pe-2 was called "Peshka" ("Pawn") just because it's sounded right too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:17 PM
I saw one fly at the last Conferate Air Force show in Midland. Largest engine to fuselage ratio I've ever seen. -jim-

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:24 PM
Well i note nobody offered you any tips on flying the Ishak, so heres my 2 cents.

I very much like both the I-16 and I-153 simply because of their outstanding handling, nothing can keep with you in a turn fight. I have found that if you keep it, from low to mid altitudes it can do very well, keep your eyes on opponents who are trying to B&Z you and as they close to about 0.60km (you'll get a feel for distances after a while if icons are off) then flick roll one way and then turn hard the other way, for example, i find if attacked from the right rear quarter a flick roll left and then turn hard right will guarantee their bullets flying by harmlessly. Repeat this until they get sloppy and go to slowly or they get really annoyed and STUPID and try to turn with you once they have done this they should only be going one way, DOWN.

Hope that helps and makes sense.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 09:44 PM
Classic aero,
Thanks for the tips (pun ?)
Anyway how do you feel about turning head-on into 109s ? I understand the Germans found this a bit of a problem, wp when up against I-16s with those nice 20mm cannon.



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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 10:45 PM
IndiaOscar_38 wrote:
- Small correction: "Ishak" is not a "Little Donkey",
- but just a "Donkey". "Little Donkey" is "Ishachok"
- Anyways, this name has nothing to do with the flight
- characteristics of the plane, it just sounds right.

Just to throw more light into the I-16's nickname, Yefim Gorgon in his book "Polikarpov's I-16 Fighter" (Midland Publishing, 2001) says:

"In the Soviet Union pilots affectionately called all versions of the I-16 Ishachok (little donkey) for purely phonetic reasons (the nickname is derived from the Russian pronunciation of the designation [i-16], ee shesnahdtsat)"

And another interesting comment from the same book:

"A unique feature of this fighter was its retractable main undercarriage actuated by a hand crank on the starboard side of the cockpit. This handle so resembled that of a barrel-organ that it was given the Russian name for this instrument, Sharmahnka"

So now you know how to call the thing when you work hard turning the crank 44 times: "playing the sharmanka"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif