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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:23 PM
I've never been a huge fan of the real P-47 but I just started flying it online and was surprised at the success I had with it. It's possibly my favorite mid-war plane and easily my favorite mid-war allied plane. I was even more surprised to find out I prefer the 10 and the 22 to the 27 but I've heard the 27 couldn't turn as well as earlier models because of the increased size/weight that came with the extra fuel capacity and the bubble canopy prevented it from rolling as well. The only thing I can't stand about the 10 and the 22 is the total lack of rear visibility. And I thought the German planes were bad! I also always thought it was an ugly bird until I started watching some tracks. It looks awesome in action. From its large wing profile to its high speed and acceleration in dives and zoom climbs, everything about exudes power. It looks like a "graceful fist" punching through the air, if such a thing is possible. And those .50s!

Anyways, enough P-47 fanboy talk. I have an actual question for you P-47 flyers. I haven't flown the 10 much at all yet, mostly just the 22. Is there much difference between these two planes? If so, which is better and why? Do any of you think the 27 is better?

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:23 PM
I've never been a huge fan of the real P-47 but I just started flying it online and was surprised at the success I had with it. It's possibly my favorite mid-war plane and easily my favorite mid-war allied plane. I was even more surprised to find out I prefer the 10 and the 22 to the 27 but I've heard the 27 couldn't turn as well as earlier models because of the increased size/weight that came with the extra fuel capacity and the bubble canopy prevented it from rolling as well. The only thing I can't stand about the 10 and the 22 is the total lack of rear visibility. And I thought the German planes were bad! I also always thought it was an ugly bird until I started watching some tracks. It looks awesome in action. From its large wing profile to its high speed and acceleration in dives and zoom climbs, everything about exudes power. It looks like a "graceful fist" punching through the air, if such a thing is possible. And those .50s!

Anyways, enough P-47 fanboy talk. I have an actual question for you P-47 flyers. I haven't flown the 10 much at all yet, mostly just the 22. Is there much difference between these two planes? If so, which is better and why? Do any of you think the 27 is better?

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:35 PM
The main difference is the addition of bomb pilons on the P-47D27, and 400kg more weight from various things (when fully loaded). So roll and turn is a bit worse in D27, and top speed is a hair slower.

But other than roll, I can't really tell a difference. Normally you wouldn't be fully loaded anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:24 PM
The D10 has a super rollrate. But still prefer to fly the D27 because it has he better cockpit.
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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:53 AM
Thanks guys. But I was hoping for a comparison between the 10 and the 22 and maybe why some comments on why someone might prefer one of the other.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:01 AM
I fly the 27,22, and.D10

I only use the 27 for bombing. Why, just like what was said, the pylons on the 27 and 22 creat drag while flying straight or while truning.

Olag and his team decided not to have the option of taking off the Pylons. In real life if the sqaud wasn't going to use the plane for bombing then the Pylons where removed.

Hence the Pylons reduce the roll, max speed and trurning ability.

But we still have the D10 without Pylons. Yaaaaaa. any way it rolls alot better, turns better and is a little faster, but not munch faster.

Yup the gunsight and vew suck but becuase the game is made by non northamericans are planes get under moddeled.

And people. no flame's about the P-39 being uber. The russions did reduce the wheight and a few other things to the 39. Fact the P-39 was a supurior plane compared to the german planes AT Low Alt.



Message Edited on 09/18/0301:03AM by Maple_Tiger

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:14 AM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- I fly the 27,22, and.D10
-
- I only use the 27 for bombing. Why, just like what
- was said, the pylons on the 27 and 22 creat drag
- while flying straight or while truning.
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- Olag and his team decided not to have the option of
- taking off the Pylons. In real life if the sqaud
- wasn't going to use the plane for bombing then the
- Pylons where removed.
-
- Hence the Pylons reduce the roll, max speed and
- trurning ability.


Pylons were not generally removed when not in use. They were sometimes capped. In otherwords, the bomb shackles were removed and a small cap was placed on the underside of the pylon. But for the most part, they were simply left in place, shackles and all. Pylons were not easy to install or remove, as that contained fuel line plumbing and linkages for bomb release mechanisms.

Plyons had a negligible effect on speed and roll rate. Pylons weighed less than 200 lbs. The P-47D-25 was as fast as C models and early D models without pylons. Peak roll rate of the P-47D-25 was the same as the P-47C (around 85-90 degrees per second), just at a higher speed. The roll rate of the P-47N was even faster (around 110 degrees per second), despite its longer wings, pylons and zero-length rocket rails.



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Message Edited on 09/18/0305:15AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:02 PM
They might not have been "generally" removed, but, it was possible to remove them. Removal would certainly help reduce drag a bit and that, in turn, would help with top speed at all alt.s and zoom climb. Even acceleration. Granted, the amount would be small, but with it the way it is we need every bit we can get.

What sucks is that the soviet pilots of the early planes did not "generally" fly with the canopy closed. The soviet aircraft industry did not "generally" produce anything of any quality to speak of (almost never did really), preventing the designs potential from being realized. Yet, none of that is present here. Instead we have the optimal, and most optimisitic, situation - for the VVS. Why can't that be done for the US and LW planes as well? Well actually, I know why, and many others are beginning to come to terms with it, but too many here still refuse to accept it, so I shouldn't mention it. lol