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GreenLego
11-02-2009, 05:23 PM
I was priviledged enough to attend an Xbox 360 event last night where I was able to check out AC2 a bit.

One thing that totally stood out and made the game looked silly was how the character swims using the front crawl style (sometimes called freestyle in different parts of the world).

Front crawl wasn't introduced to the West (where the game is set) until about the 1800s. Breast stroke was the main style in the West up until then.

I would like to know why the developers chose front crawl for the game? Was this a deliverate choice to be historically inaccurate? For an assassin to be swimming in the open using a 'radical' style would surely bring attention to himself/herself?

It just looks totally out of context when I saw it last night.

Morf113
11-02-2009, 05:25 PM
I think it's just a mistake or maybe your history is wrong.

El_Sjietah
11-02-2009, 05:26 PM
They probably didn't give it that much thought and went with the crawl because it looks cooler.

caswallawn_2k7
11-02-2009, 05:30 PM
also just because something is first wrote in a book at a set date doesn't mean that is when it was first used. (if you believe the history the bloke got it from the native Americans) now you cant tell me no other person in the world ever thought to swim that way.

MartaVasques
11-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Just leave the man alone and let him swim as he pleases... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Wow. Interesting, but I doubt the majority of players will notice or care.

The crawl was most likely chosen because the breast stroke is kind of a sissy stroke. It's not very efficient and it looks funky, especially for an Assassin.

Morf113
11-02-2009, 05:35 PM
If i remember correct i think that Leonardo also was thought weird because of his swimming (not used that much) and how he swam.

Phobos14
11-02-2009, 06:34 PM
Not everything is going to be historically accurate and they have already stated that.

Besides if you are going to critique something like the swimming, how about the fact that most of the assassins were almost always caught and made no attempt to escape. It is suggested that it was even shameful for them to survive.

Now that just wouldnt make the game as much fun now would it?

the amolang
11-02-2009, 06:42 PM
hmmm.... so you think that NO ONE swam similarly styled to the front crawl? I think that some people swam with a front crawl, but it was unusual. I think it would be pretty stupid if no one thought of a style of swimming that was more efficient than the breaststroke. the reason the breast stroke was popular because it looked good for rich people, and when they first saw the front crawl they thought it looked "barbaric" and uncivilized. That doesn't mean no one in Europe had ever swam in a similar style. All the people weren't idiots btw.

Choopius
11-02-2009, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by GreenLego:
I was priviledged enough to attend an Xbox 360 event last night where I was able to check out AC2 a bit.

One thing that totally stood out and made the game looked silly was how the character swims using the front crawl style (sometimes called freestyle in different parts of the world).

Front crawl wasn't introduced to the West (where the game is set) until about the 1800s. Breast stroke was the main style in the West up until then.

I would like to know why the developers chose front crawl for the game? Was this a deliverate choice to be historically inaccurate? For an assassin to be swimming in the open using a 'radical' style would surely bring attention to himself/herself?

It just looks totally out of context when I saw it last night.

No one cares.

And now I'm happy to be part of the dumbest thread ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

keepth3beat
11-02-2009, 08:06 PM
Plus, the breast stroke can be very harmful to your shoulders. I had a friend who threw out both of them when she swam competitively. The crawl is much safer and less strenuous. Also, it's quieter. ;P

J-Nikez
11-02-2009, 08:16 PM
Swimming is historically inaccurate period since most of that water was sewage o.o http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

OniLinkSword
11-02-2009, 08:32 PM
The Parkour that he's performing and the hidden blade and gun he uses is also historically inaccurate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GCconure
11-02-2009, 08:40 PM
lol Choopius. I'm just happy Ezio can swim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

P459
11-03-2009, 10:59 AM
Perhaps the assassins of Masyaf learned how to do crawl, and it was passed down from generation to generation? Or not..

Grandmaster_Z
11-03-2009, 11:13 AM
eh, we'll get over it..

Captain Tomatoz
11-03-2009, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by P459:
Perhaps the assassins of Masyaf learned how to do crawl, and it was passed down from generation to generation? Or not..

the assassin's of masyaf were allergic to water http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

phimo123-FR
11-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Choopius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GreenLego:
I was priviledged enough to attend an Xbox 360 event last night where I was able to check out AC2 a bit.

One thing that totally stood out and made the game looked silly was how the character swims using the front crawl style (sometimes called freestyle in different parts of the world).

Front crawl wasn't introduced to the West (where the game is set) until about the 1800s. Breast stroke was the main style in the West up until then.

I would like to know why the developers chose front crawl for the game? Was this a deliverate choice to be historically inaccurate? For an assassin to be swimming in the open using a 'radical' style would surely bring attention to himself/herself?

It just looks totally out of context when I saw it last night.

No one cares.

And now I'm happy to be part of the dumbest thread ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh... Actually, it WASN'T the dumbest thread ever... Thanks...

DarkAutocon
11-03-2009, 11:50 AM
They would have had dogs back then, right(obviously)? so they could have easily adopted a "doggy paddle" style swimming, then evolved it. And they would have had dogss ages ago,even before that, so they would have learnt then.

Choopius
11-03-2009, 12:01 PM
We're still discussing this? Really?

CaptainP00face
11-03-2009, 12:06 PM
I can't believe your making a big deal about the "swimming" part.. What's the big deal, the game looks great.

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-03-2009, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Choopius:
We're still discussing this? Really? Some of us find it interesting and different from all the other discussions. If you don't like it, you don't have to be a part of it.

Phobos14
11-03-2009, 12:09 PM
Everyone that has replied, including myself, has made a bigger deal than he has. It was his first and so far only post. He either was bored and wanted to try and show off a bit of knowledge or just wanted to be noticed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

welcome to the forums OP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

El_Sjietah
11-03-2009, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Phobos14:
Everyone that has replied, including myself, has made a bigger deal than he has. It was his first and so far only post. He either was bored and wanted to try and show off a bit of knowledge or just wanted to be noticed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Or all the negative comments scared him off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Phobos14
11-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Unfortunatly that probably happens more often than not if the persons for post is something negative about the game.

AetosEagle
11-03-2009, 01:33 PM
Hey hey hey now! If it's in Assassins Creed 2, me as a fan shall discuss it!

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">even if it is just swimming...</pre>

But wow, you learn something new every day they say. Maybe it's just because it's a faster way of swimming and Ezio cares more about speed than what people think when they see him doing it?

TheEpicWolf
11-03-2009, 01:37 PM
Maybe it's just the way he was taught, i mean like some people have said already it can't have been the one guy to come up with swimming like that.
And for all we know Giovanni may have been taught to swim like that and therefore taught Ezio the same way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I may have over thought this.....

loveboof
11-03-2009, 02:16 PM
I'm pretty sure that the 'front crawl' existed in some capacity before it was named and used in competition for the first time.

But as someone has already said, most people will not care/notice even if the OP happens to be true.

Hideru
11-03-2009, 02:26 PM
Ezio invented swimming. That's why he has that huge villa. The money he made from teaching.

z0nnebril
11-03-2009, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Choopius:
We're still discussing this? Really?

why didn't they know front crawl, it's a move http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

and so what...

bornforhaze
11-03-2009, 03:51 PM
When you first go in water the first thing you naturally do is the doggy paddle which is similar to the front crawl.

keepth3beat
11-03-2009, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Hideru:
Ezio invented swimming. That's why he has that huge villa. The money he made from teaching.

Lollerskates. It makes perfect sense!

By the way, I keep forgetting to say, but your sig is hilarious.

DimmuB0rgir
11-03-2009, 05:36 PM
So we had people complain he couldnt swim in the first game, now we have people having a whinge because he is swimming inaccurately in this game?

Oh I love game forums.

LaurenIsSoMosh
11-03-2009, 06:24 PM
So would you rather have us not complain about Altair not being able to swim, and as a result have an Assassin's Creed sequel that wouldn't have any swimming in it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Complaining: It gets crap done.

An_Idea
11-03-2009, 06:31 PM
complaining: filibusters are better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Choopius
11-03-2009, 07:00 PM
Dear lord, please someone either close or delete this thread entirely.

.... no no wait I'm ****ed that Ezio speaks in English, we all know English didn't become the official language of Italy until 1842.

caswallawn_2k7
11-04-2009, 05:04 AM
.... no no wait I'm ****ed that Ezio speaks in English, we all know English didn't become the official language of Italy until 1842.
you really are going for the poster without a clue award aren't you? you suck as a troll and then you don't even know simple things about the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Realjambo
11-04-2009, 05:47 AM
*Yawn*