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FA_Whisky
08-24-2005, 03:37 AM
Just wondering how this bird flies and how it would compete in EAP......

http://www.martin-baker.com/history_mb5.html

http://www.insideairracing.com/gallery/MB5/101_MB5_003.jpg

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot064.jpg

http://apma.org.au/membersmodels/alan_yee/yee095.jpg

http://www.airventure.de/reno2004/reno04_trophy_mb5_02t.jpg

dazza9806482
08-24-2005, 03:48 AM
I was under the impression it was a bit of a beast and among the best prop fighters ever along with bearcat and la9 etc....

however hopefully someone will jump in with more information rooted in fact....

Hristo_
08-24-2005, 03:58 AM
It would be often PKed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

dazza9806482
08-24-2005, 04:01 AM
LOL

Good point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


whats the reason for the contra rotating props?

do they act as push/pull like DO 335?

dazza9806482
08-24-2005, 04:02 AM
i also like the bit about the fitted uncluttered floor

so the more refined RAF pilot could perhaps fit a nice shag pile?

ClnlSandersLite
08-24-2005, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by dazza9806482:
LOL

Good point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


whats the reason for the contra rotating props?

do they act as push/pull like DO 335?

The same reason there's counter rotating props on the lightning.

I imagine it'd be like a higher horsepower/heavier p-51 with no tourque.

Philipscdrw
08-24-2005, 04:40 AM
It looks like the lovechild of a Spitfire and a Mustang.

dazza9806482
08-24-2005, 04:44 AM
Ah, well no torque would be cool..

kind of like a bf109? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ploughman
08-24-2005, 05:08 AM
Is it just me or does it look like a dog is flying this plane?

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot064.jp

Hristo_
08-24-2005, 06:29 AM
That's why they called it a dogfighter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Deadmeat313
08-24-2005, 06:48 AM
LOL

Go Fido!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
08-24-2005, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
It looks like the lovechild of a Spitfire and a Mustang.

The top and bottom photo is actually a Mustang thats been converted to look like an MB5 but won't have anything near its performance. Would have been a total monster and all who flew it thought it was fantastic but it was never to be fully put into production.

Deedsundone
08-24-2005, 07:25 AM
I think I´ve read about a counterrotating propfighter wich sound caused nausea.Was it the Baker,or maybe the Wyvern.

Zyzbot
08-24-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I think I´ve read about a counterrotating propfighter wich sound caused nausea.Was it the Baker,or maybe the Wyvern.

Perhaps you are thinking of the XF-84:

"The Thunderjet was so loud that it could be easily heard about 35 kilometres away. On one occasion, they powered up the engines of the XF-84H on a runway, while what they thought was an empty C-47 transport plane was parked on a nearby runway. This C-47 was side-on to the propeller of the XF-84H, where the noise was loudest. When they shut down the engine, they heard banging noises from the C-47. An engineer had been doing maintenance inside, and the incredibly loud banshee-like noise had thrown him into an epileptic fit. The banging noise was the flailing of his limbs. And yes, he did recover after a few days."

http://www.cloud9photography.us/x/X05_REPUBLIC_XF-84H_PRODUCERPETERMANCUS.jpg

MEGILE
08-24-2005, 07:58 AM
Cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heliopause
08-24-2005, 11:24 AM
No mention of an ejection seat....

Secudus2004
08-24-2005, 03:38 PM
The MB5 used the Rolls-Royce 2,350 hp Griffon 83 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid- cooled engine driving two three blade D.H. contra-rotating airscrews. It first flew on May 23rd 1944.

Martin-Baker own patented steel construction was used, which gave easy servicing and maintenance. The fuselage was a steel tube construct with a covering of quick removal metal panels. The wings employ a D type torsion box, the main spar built up with laminated plates. Split flaps and inwardly-retracting landing-gear are pneumatically operated.

The Grffon power plant installation is very clean, with the radiator assembly, including coolant and oil radiators and intercooler grouped together, in a laminar-flow duct under the rear fuselage.

Armanent of the MB5 consisted of four wing mounted 20mm cannon, two on each side of the fuselage outboard of the landing gear.

Maximum speed of over 450mph

And yes it is a dog... Is that so strange http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

MB_Avro_UK
08-24-2005, 05:40 PM
Did Martin Baker make the first ejection seats??

Regards,
MB_Avro

p1ngu666
08-24-2005, 05:47 PM
possibly, they still make the best in the world, i think

Hristo_
08-24-2005, 05:53 PM
Weren't first ejection seats used by Do-335 and He-162 ?

Also, I believe Russian ejection seats are on top currently.

Zyzbot
08-24-2005, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Did Martin Baker make the first ejection seats??

Regards,
MB_Avro

Quite possibly the Swedish:

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/saabejec.htm

I know that the Germans had them by the very end of WWII. I've read about an ejection from a He-162 before the end of the war.

LeadSpitter_
08-24-2005, 06:31 PM
I could be wrong but didnt the italians experiment with them late 30s-40s with thier comproni jet, first flying jet in the world in which germans learned about jet engines.

Just whittel made it more effecient as well as the germans later in the war

MrBlueSky1960
08-25-2005, 02:24 AM
http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/

ploughman
08-25-2005, 02:34 AM
Currently Russian seats are best. They make even the most insane crash survivable, as routinely demonstrated by Russian display pilots.

A former colleague of mine's sister's husband was/is a Tornado pilot. He had an engine fire going up some Cumbrian valley in 2000 and so he and his buddy needed to punch out but they were currently pointing at a population centre so they took the time to turn the jet around and point it out to sea before ejecting. As they came down in their chutes, complements of Martin Baker, they saw a farmer waiting for them with a tray of what turned out to be tea and biscuits.
The perplexed aircrew were astounded.
'How'd you know we'd be here?' Asked the pilot.
'Oh I saw you going up the valley on fire and new you'd be back." Replied the farmer pouring them each a cuppa..."Just like the last lot."
That wasn't the first Tornado with an engine fire to go up and down that valley.

WOLFMondo
08-25-2005, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Weren't first ejection seats used by Do-335 and He-162 ?

Also, I believe Russian ejection seats are on top currently.

Dunno by MB ejector seats are probably the most popular, theres even a club for pilots that have used them.

Daiichidoku
08-25-2005, 12:04 PM
the very first bang seats were installed and tested in the He 280 (first flown 1941) also the worlds FIRST jet fighter

the first production type with ej seats was the He 289

AFAIR, both of these were pneumatic types

the Do 335 and He 162 had bang seats, but using a cartridge for propelling....but these induced a G load of over 19 Gs, AFAIR

post war, the french had a single and two seat version of the Do 335 for testing, and tried a bang seat on the ground....it failed to work

Salfordian
08-26-2005, 02:18 AM
I like the 'Lives saved to date' counter on the home page. Nice touch.

Atzebrueck
08-26-2005, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
the Do 335 and He 162 had bang seats, but using a cartridge for propelling...


As far as I know the 335 used a pneumatic ejection seat. At least the cockpit contains a "Ejector seat system pressure gauge" (FI 20516-3) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Daiichidoku
08-26-2005, 08:21 AM
ok, i have a few articles about the 335...im at work, so i will post what i can see about it tonight

F19_Olli72
08-26-2005, 08:42 AM
I found this page (in swedish) where it says that there were some quarrels between Sweden (Saab) and Martin (Baker) about the patent that Martin got on the ejection seat. Saab for whatever reason did not register a patent so it seems they thought Martin copied stuff from them.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21