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Doug_Thompson
09-28-2006, 08:19 PM
The last known Do 335 is now on display, though not at the Smithsonian's main museum. It's at the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum facility near Dulles Airport in Washington, according to this link (http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/artifacts_air.cfm)

BfHeFwMe
09-28-2006, 08:42 PM
NASM is part of the Smithsonian.

Doug_Thompson
09-28-2006, 08:44 PM
I was referring to the building, but edited the post anyway. The home page of the website I linked clearly said this new facility was built because they ran out of room at the Smithsonian.

Phil_C
09-28-2006, 08:53 PM
Its been there a while... i saw it this past winter on my 2nd visit to the new building http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its real cool lookin in person too

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/Philski24/Airplanes/do.jpg

Doug_Thompson
09-28-2006, 09:00 PM
Thanks for the pix, Phil C. Hope its still there when and if I every get to go to D.C.

Phil_C
09-28-2006, 10:20 PM
Hey no prob! tho that pis seriously resized and cropped from the origional one that i took

slo_1_2_3
09-28-2006, 10:33 PM
Now that's a place I wanna visit someday.

R_Target
09-28-2006, 10:37 PM
I'll be in Virginia next month. Gonna have to pay a little visit.

Xiolablu3
09-28-2006, 10:39 PM
NIce!!!

Thanks for the pic too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
09-28-2006, 11:04 PM
A magnificent beast. Inspires me to try to tackle the two Tamiya models I have of it.

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/do335a0cw_1.htm

Waldo.Pepper
09-29-2006, 12:17 AM
This is gonna hurt!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Udvar%20Hazy/Dornier/DSCN0245.jpg

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leitmotiv
09-29-2006, 12:21 AM
YEEEEEHAW! Great detail shots!

Friendly_flyer
09-29-2006, 12:22 AM
Man, that bird looks weird!

KIMURA
09-29-2006, 12:57 AM
From that close distance that bird looks really impressive. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

F19_Olli72
09-29-2006, 01:58 AM
I know the Dornier was a huge plane, still it kinda always surprises me. The Arado looks puny next to it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I.JG27_Zimmi
09-29-2006, 02:32 AM
awesome shots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

OD_79
09-29-2006, 03:17 AM
~S~
Was going to say that thing looks HUGE next to the Ar234. I knew it was big but not that big! The green looks far too light as well.

OD.

tigertalon
09-29-2006, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
The Arado looks puny next to it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Yeah, that's what stunned me too.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2006, 03:26 AM
http://forums.<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">ubi[/b].com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/<b style="color:black;background-color:#ffff66">2011018684[/b] (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2011018684)

Mini.Me
09-29-2006, 03:34 AM
@Waldo.Pepper

Where's the museum?

Hawgdog
09-29-2006, 05:04 AM
She's a beauty.

What a plane.

SeaFireLIV
09-29-2006, 05:10 AM
Amazing. I knew it was real, but to see it there in its glory and not just part of a flight simulater really does show that WWII could be stranger than fiction! I noticed the Arado too...

The Americans certainly captured a few trophies at the end of the war, that`s for sure.

Thanatos833
09-29-2006, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Hawgdog:
She's a beauty.

What a plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Manu-6S
09-29-2006, 05:29 AM
The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes.</span> Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.

Ok, Do 335 was faster P51, but did she really outclimb the american a/c?

luftluuver
09-29-2006, 06:04 AM
Did any of you notice what German a/c is in the background?

The Ar234 and guess what? No rear firing cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Btw, the Do 335 was restored in Germany at the Dornier factory in Oberpfaffenhofen.

III. JG27 Kenny
09-29-2006, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
Did any of you notice what German a/c is in the background?


It´s a fuselage of a Heinkel He219 "Uhu" Nightfighter

wastel
09-29-2006, 07:31 AM
in the background is the last remaining He219 in the world. hopefully someday they will complete this plane too. or give them over to us germans to built it up.

wastel

Worf101
09-29-2006, 07:54 AM
Isn't it kinda funny that the NASM has no qualms about slappin' Swastika's on planes that had em but we can't do that here? Curious...

Da Worfster

Doug_Thompson
09-29-2006, 08:09 AM
Great shots, Waldo.Pepper. Thanks.

Like everybody else, I'm stunned at the sheer size of the machine. Look how it looms over the He 219, another twin-engined prop plane of comparable power.

IIRC, the Dornier plant was bombed and Heinkel was ordered to cut back on He 219 production and make Do-335s, but Heinkel ignored the order.

SeaFireLIV
09-29-2006, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Worf101:
Isn't it kinda funny that the NASM has no qualms about slappin' Swastika's on planes that had em but we can't do that here? Curious...

Da Worfster

You mean in this sim?

D\L IL2 manager or Stab, they`ll pop `em on automatically. Always feels better destroying something with a Swastika on it!

Haigotron
09-29-2006, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
The Arado looks puny next to it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Yeah, that's what stunned me too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOAW Yes! I really had no idea of the size of the arrow, until I saw that video a while back, and now that it seems huge compared to the Blitz bomber...It really is a sight to behold I can imagine!

So is this the air space museum smithsonian museum in D.C.?

berg417448
09-29-2006, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes.</span> Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.

Ok, Do 335 was faster P51, but did she really outclimb the american a/c? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The Do-335 was certainly faster than Mustangs BUT a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing.

Manu-6S
09-29-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
The Do-335 was certainly faster than Mustangs BUT a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing.

Roger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Willey
09-29-2006, 08:49 AM
It's HUGE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Look at that tiny 234 next to it http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif

Doug_Thompson
09-29-2006, 10:04 AM
So is this the air space museum smithsonian museum in D.C.?


Sort of. It's a "branch office" of the museum, near Dulles airport.

OhCanada
09-29-2006, 10:13 AM
These pics taken in the main building if I am correct. Can be quite sure, been there three times myself, .... long time ago.

For you guys taking a trip down there, if you can get to Silver Hill in Baltimore, go. Its the NASM's restoration facility. That is a must!

Got there on my last trip down and was floored by what I saw. (Bv.335 for one, and the if memory serves me correct the Aichi M6A1 Seiran...Mountain Haze, a IJN float plane under restoration). I think it was the M6A1, I think..

Best part of going there was that the Enola Gay was in its infancy days of being restored. Saw them cleaning out the insides of the engine cowlings with toothbrushes in one hangar and in the main building we were allowed to touch the fuselage on the pilots side. They were testing out 3 or 5 protective coatings and I guess wanted to see how they would hold up. Tres Cool!

Any how get to Silver Hill if you can. You won't regret it.

Phil_C
09-29-2006, 04:00 PM
The pics of the 335 are taken at the U-H facility on the grounds of Dulles Airport. The aircraft, when i saw it, was locates on the gound level, left side of the building just under the 3rd level upper walkway. It sure is a heck of a sight to see when you are 2 or 3 feet away from it.


And as for the Swastikas- The Air and Space museum isnt glorifying anything... they are just showing historical artifacts as they were.. the game is a recreation of those events, portrayed in a more "enjoyable" manner...

thats the difference, IMHO.

The Enola Gay at the museum has a plexiglass shield around the cockpit windows... but its still easy to look inside and see whats in there.

Viper2005_
09-29-2006, 04:27 PM
Beautiful aeroplane. Sad that it is so perfectly restored but will never fly again...

I particularly think that about the Go-229 which is hidden away in the Smithsonian's archives. Nice shots of the Horten glider BTW. Very clever stuff in its time!

As for swastikas, I fly with them, and have done for a long time. There are a variety of utilities available to enable them.

Firstly they're historical, and German aircraft of the period don't look right without them.

Secondly they serve as a reminder of the dark side of human nature. I may be an agnostic but whenever I fly my Fw-190 I look at its tail and think "There but for the grace of God go I!".

Thirdly it is my belief that if you censor History you cannot learn from it. If you fail to learn the lessons of History you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of History in the future.

carguy_
09-29-2006, 04:29 PM
I knew it was big but not THAT big!The Arado there makes a nice comparement.

Manu-6S
09-29-2006, 04:54 PM
Maybe you thought that Arado was bigger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Look at the Arado-FW190 and compare their dimension.

Phil_C
09-29-2006, 05:12 PM
Now the real question is that if we can have this monster in the game... why not a P-61! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BaronUnderpants
09-29-2006, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes.</span> Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.

Ok, Do 335 was faster P51, but did she really outclimb the american a/c? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The Do-335 was certainly faster than Mustangs BUT a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Does that mean that the Do335 could outclimb and outrun the P-51 with less fuel? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Remind me again, what was so special about this P-51 Mustang everybody keeps talking about? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

berg417448
09-29-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes.</span> Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.

Ok, Do 335 was faster P51, but did she really outclimb the american a/c? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The Do-335 was certainly faster than Mustangs BUT a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Does that mean that the Do335 could outclimb and outrun the P-51 with less fuel? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Remind me again, what was so special about this P-51 Mustang everybody keeps talking about? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Do-335 was faster than the P-51D and outclimbed it with or without drop tanks on the P-51. The Do-335 was a bit slower than the the P-51H which, like the Do-335, never saw combat(well ok...there were rumors of combat).

There was allegedly a "fly off" between a captured Do-335 flown by USAF Capt. Robert D. Brown in a dogfight with 357th ace Major Don Bochkay. The Do-335 was found to be very, very fast, but not quite as agile as the P-51D. So the story goes anyway...

BaronUnderpants
09-29-2006, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The NASM aircraft is the second Do-335A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (werke nummer) 240102 and factory registration VG+PH. It was built at Dornier's Rechlin-Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, plant on April 16, 1945. It was captured by Allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. After checkout, it was flown from a grass runway at Oberweisenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">During this flight, the Do-335 easily outclimbed and outdistanced two escorting P-51s, beating them to Cherbourg by 45 minutes.</span> Under the U.S. Army Air Force's "Project Sea Horse," two Do-335s were shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS "Reaper" together with other captured German aircraft, for detailed evaluation. This aircraft was assigned to the U.S. Navy, which tested it at the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. The other aircraft, with registration FE-1012 (later T2-1012), went to the USAAF at Freeman Field, Indiana, where it was tested in early 1946. Its subsequent fate is unknown, and this is the only Do-335 known to exist.

Ok, Do 335 was faster P51, but did she really outclimb the american a/c? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The Do-335 was certainly faster than Mustangs BUT a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Does that mean that the Do335 could outclimb and outrun the P-51 with less fuel? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Remind me again, what was so special about this P-51 Mustang everybody keeps talking about? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Do-335 was faster than the P-51D and outclimbed it with or without drop tanks on the P-51. The Do-335 was a bit slower than the the P-51H which, like the Do-335, never saw combat(well ok...there were rumors of combat).

There was allegedly a "fly off" between a captured Do-335 flown by USAF Capt. Robert D. Brown in a dogfight with 357th ace Major Don Bochkay. The Do-335 was found to be very, very fast, but not quite as agile as the P-51D. So the story goes anyway... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just messing arround. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The only eyewitness account iv read about the Do335 was in Pierre Clostermans book, where he describes a Do335 completly outrunning a couple of Tempests. If i remember correctly that is.

Doug_Thompson
09-29-2006, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
...it is my belief that if you censor History you cannot learn from it.

Excellent thought, Viper.

BaronUnderpants: You remember correctly.

VW-IceFire
09-29-2006, 09:52 PM
Yep...although both Closterman and his wingman were running low on fuel and were loath to break the throttle pins and take the Sabres upto maximum power. So its a bit of a misnomer on how much the Dornier was able to outrun them....if Closterman had taken his Tempest (a Sabre IIC with Rotol propeller model) upto maximum throttle I think the rate at which the Dornier escaped would have been much lower.

CUJO_1970
09-30-2006, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
a fact that is also often overlooked in this incident is that that escorting Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruising speed and climbing.


And another fact often left out in this incident is that Hans Padell shut down the rear engine of the Do-335 to give the Mustangs a chance to catch up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Do-335 was extremely fast. It could _cruise_ very near the P-51D's top speed.

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2006, 02:49 AM
Quel travail,mais admirez-moi ??a!!! http://forums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2006, 04:13 AM
C'est sur que ce zinc est d'une beaut?? agressive ?? souhait http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif si me souviens bien, c'est celui qui f??t restaur?? en condition de VOl par Dornier m^me ?? la fin des ann??es 70 ou d??but80..sais plus...l'avion ??tant fonctionnel ?? 100% http://forums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif sinon regardez la taille de l'ar234 juste ?? c??t??, on dirait un R5 ?? c??t?? d'un humvee... mais le plus beau il est derri??re, pas complet ,juste le fuselage mais il est l??: le he219UHU...et puis le joli 190F (on dirait du moins un F)...pourquoi on a pas ??a chez nous?hein? les fran??ais avaient plein d'avions allemands apres la gueurre, ils en ont fait quoi???<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Manu-6S
09-30-2006, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Yep...although both Closterman and his wingman were running low on fuel and were loath to break the throttle pins and take the Sabres upto maximum power. So its a bit of a misnomer on how much the Dornier was able to outrun them....if Closterman had taken his Tempest (a Sabre IIC with Rotol propeller model) upto maximum throttle I think the rate at which the Dornier escaped would have been much lower.

Like he did against the Me262: some minutes at full throttle without gaining on the german plane when his engine overheated (as he stated numerous times in the book) and he returned to base leaving the Me262 with on engine smoking.


Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Remind me again, what was so special about this P-51 Mustang everybody keeps talking about?


American Museum with Do335's description written by an American guy: why shouldn't he talk about the plane who won the war? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

KIMURA
09-30-2006, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by III. JG27 Kenny:
It´s a fuselage of a Heinkel He219 "Uhu" Nightfighter

IIRC some shots of that UHU fuselage were posted by "Womanfly" some month ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VW-IceFire
09-30-2006, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Yep...although both Closterman and his wingman were running low on fuel and were loath to break the throttle pins and take the Sabres upto maximum power. So its a bit of a misnomer on how much the Dornier was able to outrun them....if Closterman had taken his Tempest (a Sabre IIC with Rotol propeller model) upto maximum throttle I think the rate at which the Dornier escaped would have been much lower.

Like he did against the Me262: some minutes at full throttle without gaining on the german plane when his engine overheated (as he stated numerous times in the book) and he returned to base leaving the Me262 with on engine smoking.


Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Remind me again, what was so special about this P-51 Mustang everybody keeps talking about?


American Museum with Do335's description written by an American guy: why shouldn't he talk about the plane who won the war? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok...the ME-262 is a bit faster than the Dornier...a bit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even with an engine out...

Phil_C
09-30-2006, 08:33 AM
I have just under 400 pics from my 2 visits there in the last 2 years... some i still need to color correct... but in order to host them anywhere, i have to crop all of them lol

enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(if ya wana see anything else ask away and ill see what i can do!)


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Waldo.Pepper
09-30-2006, 01:59 PM
I have even more detail shots of the Dornier and the Uhu. The Uhu not being fully restored (yet) is a great tragedy to my sensibilities.

Manu-6S
09-30-2006, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Ok...the ME-262 is a bit faster than the Dornier...a bit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even with an engine out...

What I mean is that we don't know if Do335 was at max speed, but we know that Tempest can't fly for several minutes at max speed without overheating.

How many minutes I don't know (needs help from Tempest experts) but surely he shouldn't catch the german plane since the max speeds of both planes were similar.

goshikisen
10-01-2006, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I have even more detail shots of the Dornier and the Uhu. The Uhu not being fully restored (yet) is a great tragedy to my sensibilities.

That and the Ki-45 Toryu fuselage they have on display. I believe the NASM has all of the parts for both the Uhu and Toryu so they may be completed in time.

Crimea_River
10-01-2006, 01:28 PM
What's up with the doors under the Dornier fuselage? Did it have a bomb bay? That's a new one to me.

berg417448
10-01-2006, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Crimea_River:
What's up with the doors under the Dornier fuselage? Did it have a bomb bay? That's a new one to me.

Yes. The Do-335 had a bomb bay.

WOLFMondo
10-02-2006, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Ok...the ME-262 is a bit faster than the Dornier...a bit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even with an engine out...

What I mean is that we don't know if Do335 was at max speed, but we know that Tempest can't fly for several minutes at max speed without overheating.

How many minutes I don't know (needs help from Tempest experts) but surely he shouldn't catch the german plane since the max speeds of both planes were similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on the engine and prop the Tempest had. Clostermans had a few different Tempests. The last being the best version of the Series II with either a Sabre IIB or C, 13lbs boost and Rotol prop. He claimed it could do 465mph but at what height he doesn't say, probably at the FTH of the 2nd Stage, so 17,500ft. The Sabre VA Tempest V prototype could do 475mph at that height with a full load out and the engine power was similar.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2006, 06:39 AM
.... tout ?? fait ! Nos mus??es sont blind??s de zincs rosbif, burger, ruskov mais pas l'ombre d'un emil ou d'un nippon ni mauvais !<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2006, 07:23 AM
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