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Sniper62_267
02-28-2005, 04:21 PM
New to flight sims and need some help. I'm just now getting my feet wet in IL2 and loving every minute of it. I"m interested in building a flight sim collection based upon the ones that you guy recommend. I'm interested in WWII and maybe early jets. But not the current jets if you know what i mean. I'm currently running windows xp professional. But I do have win98SE so I can put together a sysyem not running if need be. The ones I'm interested in are the ones that you think give very good simulation not arcade flight. Thanks

Sniper62_267
02-28-2005, 04:21 PM
New to flight sims and need some help. I'm just now getting my feet wet in IL2 and loving every minute of it. I"m interested in building a flight sim collection based upon the ones that you guy recommend. I'm interested in WWII and maybe early jets. But not the current jets if you know what i mean. I'm currently running windows xp professional. But I do have win98SE so I can put together a sysyem not running if need be. The ones I'm interested in are the ones that you think give very good simulation not arcade flight. Thanks

Owlsphone
02-28-2005, 04:28 PM
WWII:
Jane's WWII Fighters
European Air War
Rowan's Battle of Britain
Combat Flight Simulator 1 and 2

Early Jets:
Mig Alley

reddevil49
02-28-2005, 04:46 PM
There is also Aces Of The Pacific and Aces Over Europe. The two sims I cut my teeth. Old games but I think they are classics.

OldPepper
02-28-2005, 05:57 PM
X-Plane is nice, but not a combat sim. Helo's too!

http://www.x-plane.com/

Sniper62_267
02-28-2005, 07:09 PM
thanks for the reply I will see if I can find all these great sims

Bearcat99
02-28-2005, 07:17 PM
Id say the CFS series is a must for any collector. Even though I hated CFS3..... if collecting sims is something you want to do then by all means. I would also say get the original IL2. Rowans. Janes.. Falcon if you can find it... However..... why? Why bother? I hate to say it and sound like Im being snobbish.. but all the sims before this series.... are just not as good overall.... they may have some fetures that are as good.. in sme cases even better.. but ounce for ounce.... for WW2 combat this sim cant be beat.

Skycat_2
02-28-2005, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Owlsphone:
_WWII:_
Jane's WWII Fighters
European Air War
Rowan's Battle of Britain
Combat Flight Simulator 1 and 2

_Early Jets:_
Mig Alley <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Sniper62_267,
While I fundamentally agree with Owlsphone's list, I recommend that you not pay more than $10 for any of the above titles. I've seen some of these 'classic' titles going for outrageous prices on Amazon.com and E-bay ... keep in mind that they were all released between 1998 and 2000, and the gameplay reflects the CPU capabilities and graphics of their time.

1. Jane's WWII Fighters: My first WWII air sim, and still gives me a good feeling when I play it. This title was released in 1998 and had the slickest graphics of air sims that year (the competition was "European Air War", "Combat Flight Simulator 1", and "Fighter Squadron: Screamin' Demons Over Europe.") Notable features of the title include 3-D cockpits, simulated 'head movement' by G-Forces, aircraft damage textures, individual squadron markings, and detailed ground objects. However, gunnery is somewhat unrealistic, the flight model is arcadish, AI planes crash into each other, and the campaigns are simply a series of scripted missions that jump you from one kind of plane to another. Last, you only get one map (the Ardennes region) and seven flyable planes.
I'm not bashing WWII Fighters -- I love it to death, and you can see its influences in the IL-2 series -- but I'm afraid you might be disappointed after FB/AEP/PF. Also, since this title hasn't been available since 2001 you'll have to find a used copy. (Link to community site (http://www.ww2fighters.org/) if you're still interested.)

2. European Air War: This title is also from 1998, but I've seen it sold new in both jewel case and mini box format for around $10 or less at places like Gamestop. Even better, there is a pack that has EAW and Microprose's B-17II: The Mighty Eighth for about the same price. I always liked EAW's missions -- lots of planes in the air, and you get all of Western Europe as a continuous map -- but the graphics were much simpler than other sims of the same release year and will definately look 'dated' compared to IL-2. I was able to get EAW to run in XP, but I had some Nvidia compatiblity problems that made the briefing screens illegible. Tons of mods are available for EAW ...

3. Combat Flight Simulator 1: This 1998 title is still available as a budget-priced 'jewel case' version at places like Office Max for about $10. CFS-1's saving graces are that it has interactive control panels (flip switches and push buttons) -- you'll learn a little something about how to read cockpit guages and fly planes -- and that the missions have an infectuous charm. However, given its age and its simplified graphics, FMs and AI I'd say that CFS-1 is only good for a couple of solid evenings of offline gameplay. It does run in XP, however.

4. Rowan's Battle of Britain: I picked this up used but I never could get it to run properly on XP, even with the latest patches by the BDG modding community. I liked that the aircraft had 3-D cockpits with interactive panel switches, and I've heard that the campaign is really good. My advice, though, is to wait for the upcoming re-release (with advanced graphics) titled Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory. Or, I'll give you my copy of the original. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

5. MiG Alley: Also by Rowan, this title is noteworthy in that it features the Korean conflict. I had the original version but I couldn't get it to run properly in XP. For a short time you could buy a budget-priced two-pack version that also included a modern helicopter sim. All I remember about MiG Alley was that it played really cheesy MIDI music after the crash sequences. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif If you like the YP-80 in FB/AEP, you might enjoy MA.

BaldieJr
02-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Battlefield 1942 is an awesome flight sim.

Skycat_2
02-28-2005, 09:56 PM
IGN Reviews:
Jane's WWII Fighters (http://pc.ign.com/articles/160/160745p1.html)
European Air War (http://pc.ign.com/articles/153/153996p1.html)
Combat Flight Simulator: WWII European Series (http://pc.ign.com/articles/160/160505p1.html)
Fighter Squadron: Screamin' Demons Over Europe (http://pc.ign.com/articles/153/153128p1.html)
Combat Flight Simulator 2: WWII Pacific Theater (http://pc.ign.com/articles/164/164237p1.html)
MiG Alley (http://pc.ign.com/articles/161/161421p1.html)
Rowan's Battle of Britain (http://pc.ign.com/articles/164/164782p1.html)
B-17 Flying Fortress: The Mighty Eighth! (http://pc.ign.com/articles/164/164238p1.html)
IL-2 Sturmovik (http://pc.ign.com/articles/165/165150p1.html)
Combat Flight Simulator 3 (http://pc.ign.com/articles/375/375449p1.html)
IL-2: Forgotten Battles (http://pc.ign.com/articles/391/391513p1.html)
IL2: Ace Expansion Pack (http://pc.ign.com/articles/500/500346p1.html)
Pacific Fighters (http://pc.ign.com/articles/563/563737p1.html)

dieg777
02-28-2005, 10:13 PM
il2
il2fb
il2 aces
il2 pacific fighters
battle over europe add on for il2 fb
the last days add on for il2fb
extreme ones BOB campaign for il2fb
the blue campaign for il2fb
Uberdaemons mission generator for il2fb+aces+pf
Lowengrins campaign generator for il2fb

Rowans Flying corp.....oops thats WW1 so dont count

Should be enough to get started http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Syama
03-01-2005, 12:09 AM
I tried this recently but after playing IL-2 nothing else felt 'right'...So it was kinda a waste of time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif For me anyway :P

Sniper62_267
03-01-2005, 05:58 AM
Ok everyone thanks for the replys on this subject and you all have a very good point about IL2 being the better and I think I'm going to collect all the series that Dieg777 had mentioned. One more question the other series for IL2 are these all add mods that are brought or third party mods that can be downloaded for free. I current have the first copy of IL2 as well IL forgotten Battels Gold pack and have patched with the two current patches.

Thanks

Skycat_2
03-01-2005, 11:01 AM
il2 ........ The 'original' IL-2 Sturmovik.
il2fb ...... You have this as Gold Pack.
il2 aces ... You have this as Gold Pack.
il2 pacific fighters ... Most recent FB/AEP expansion; also can be played 'stand-alone.'

Battle over europe add on for il2 fb ... This is a 'third party' add-on available at JustFlight.com. It doesn't give you any new planes or maps but it does give you dyanamic campaigns for the USAAF and RAF (and Luftwaffe?) for Normandy and Ardennes maps in AEP. This title costs about as much as Gold Pack.

The last days add on for il2fb ... Another commercial 'third party' missions addon. Based on the closing days of the war and into 1946, I believe. I'm not sure if the missions are dynamic or scripted.

extreme ones BOB campaign for il2fb ... This one is free at Netwings; check Extreme One's signature in the FAQ sticky thread. Actually, I think this is simply an early RAF campaign, not BOB ... his download gives you an RAF speech pack, medals, and some Hurricane skins and missions. (Also, see recommended downloads at end of post.)

the blue campaign for il2fb ... I'm not sure what this is, but I think it is a free download. There are dozens of free missions and campaigns available at Netwings (http://www.netwings.org/) -- just be sure what you download is compatible to your version of IL-2. Anything made in earlier versions should be okay for you.

Uberdaemons mission generator for il2fb+aces+pf ..... This is a free utility. I think there is a link for it in a sticky on the PF forum. If the newest version requires PF, then I'd guess that earlier versions are available at the creator's site or on sites like Netwings.

Lowengrins campaign generator for il2fb ..... This one is a free download as well. Paul has been continuously updating the DCG program since the early days of IL-2. His site is here (http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php). For your version of FB/AEP (IE, Gold Pack) I believe you'll want the oldest version of DCG still offered at his site, v2.74 (http://www.lowengrin.com/download.php?10.list.3.10.download_datestamp.DESC) for FB/AEP. The 3.xx versions were written after Pacific Fighters was released, so I'm not sure how compatible they'd be. The latest version may work just fine for you though ...

While we're recommending add-ons, etc., I have this short list of freebies:
1. Battle of Britain mini campaign (http://www.combatplanes.ca/m_c.htm) and other sample missions from Combat Planes (http://www.combatplanes.ca/). This developer has also published some IL-2 commercial mission expansions that are described on the site.
2. Extreme One's "Real Deal" USAAF Campaign available here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-10.html). This is an essential download for other USAAF campaigns. Also, the RAF campaign folder is on the same page. It is also an essential download for FB/AEP.
3. "Hellhawks" P-47 campaign and "On Our Way to Victory" campaign available here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-11.html).
4. "North and South" campaign available here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-12.html). If you don't have Pacific Fighters, this will give you a Japanese speech pack and medals plus a small campaign for the Pacific Online map.
5. "Italian Campaign Folder" available here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-20.html) if you're interested in an Italian speech pack and some interesting missions in AEP's Italian fighters.

dieg777
03-01-2005, 12:07 PM
Skycat_2 has filled in the gaps - just to add this

extreme ones BOB campaign for il2fb is based on BOB but you will only fly hurricanes

the blue is another free download based on RAF in desert flying gladiators and hurricanes

dont mistake battle over europe which is good with combat over europe which isnt IMHO

you can find free campaigns and missions here

http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm

and http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/missions.php

as well as netwings http://www.netwings.org/library/

enjoy

FoolTrottel
03-01-2005, 01:49 PM
Sniper,

You're right about Dieg's list.
But don't miss Skycat's referral to B-17 Flying Fortress: The Mighty Eighth!
It give's you a lot more of being-in-the-air-combat during WWII besides 'just' being a pilot!

Have fun!