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chriswatton
10-05-2005, 01:16 PM
After 2 years since I bought IL2, I still find myself playing it almost every night to get my 'fix'
I can't understand why I have never tired of it!, have played HL2, got bored with it, CoD, good, but don't play it anymore,,,, but IL2 (complete with every add on you can buy!), I still love it to bits!
I try to convince myself its childish wanting my 'fix' of flying, I'm 38 and design kits for a living, but I have been hooked on this game for ages!
Anyone else had the same experiences?? Do I need help??? lol

Chris

FoolTrottel
10-05-2005, 01:28 PM
Same here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

You need help too ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's start a group ... sessions and such .... wanna talk about it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

chriswatton
10-05-2005, 01:58 PM
Yep, need help alright!
Am just learning to fly the ME262 properly, one of the things that narks me is that, when one of the engine's are on fire, I select the engine and turn it off, go into a little dive and the fire goes out, 5 mins later its on fire again, even though it must be stone cold by that time, and I lose my wing! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
(am going through the German campaign with the me262, loads of B27s to fire at!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but engines seem very vunerable!

zlin
10-05-2005, 01:59 PM
Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I'm 37 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif yea another one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif and taking aspirin 325mg sometimes ...

Maple_Tiger
10-05-2005, 02:45 PM
You nutt jobs lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I started the FBAA(Forgotten Battles Addiction Anonymous) once. Here, I'll add this to me signature.

3.JG51_BigBear
10-05-2005, 02:58 PM
Nothing else gets me my fix. I go back to CFS3 every now and again but I get vicious withdrawal and I start to see horribly pixilated terrain everywhere I go.

Maple_Tiger
10-05-2005, 03:02 PM
Do you guys find that CF3 makes a nice coaster?

Pig_Mac
10-05-2005, 03:54 PM
Are the FBA meetings being held in Hyperlobby? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i've been playing IL2 since it was released, and i still suck pretty much at it online. but it's the one and only game that never left my harddrive since i installed it.

every few weeks i find some new plane to fuel my addiction.

i reinstalled CFS3 a week ago, it didn't stay on for long. also tried BOBII:WoV, but it didn't help either.

my E-veins still needs IL2!

Closter
10-05-2005, 04:56 PM
Same here! 31 by now, and amongst all the games I've played (the intense kind), Il-2 brought me to new levels of sweatiness. I think we get the true meaning of immersion here....

Hail King Oleg The First!!!

Jason Bourne
10-05-2005, 05:01 PM
man, I know what you guys mean. In fact, for me its so bad, that my next desktop is going to be SLI and dual core JUST so that i can run IL2 on perfect at 1600x1200 :P (gets 4000 bucks out of pocket)

Bearcat99
10-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
Do you guys find that CF3 makes a nice coaster?

Hey MT... lets not turn this into a CFS3 bashing thread pls... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yeah I am feeling the same way.. thats why I am such an ardent defender.... what the otherwise opinioned may call a "fanboi".. this sim is the shiznit... It has no equal warts and all... and most of those guys who constantly complain about it are really so full of it... and I'll tell you why...... THEY ARE STILL HERE!!!!! Spouting the same old BS day after day... bitc#ing about this that or the other... but THEY DON'T LEAVE!!!!

Hey Chris... how often do you visit the HL2 or CoD forums? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

How many guys from this community do you see regularly trolling in the CFS forums? Not too many.... we are too busy having a blast here.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Between hitting these forums, real life and flying... who has time to troll in CFS? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Not me...... I dont get tired of this sim either.. thats why I am here.

RAF92_Moser
10-05-2005, 08:14 PM
For those who crunch over there online stats and spend days in the tailgunner of a SBD. Do you scream at your monitor and throw your joystick at your dog and cry afterward? Are your eyes swollen and dry, your stomach emaciated til your ribs are as protruding through your skin? Do you spend countless hours trying to get that kill that puts you over 100? Do you argue over the forums about what is uber, and what is real flying like, even though you have never flown any of these aircraft?

Don't worry I too have battled through FBA. It is a serious addiction. But I have won now. I no longer have IL-2 on my hard drive, but I do not know for how long. I've been FB free for one week now, and I'm already back in the forums. Here are my tips for those who want to get rid of the addiction http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

1) Find something that will keep you busy all day. This could be working out, a job, a sport, school, or all the above for the workaholic type.

2) Find a profound interest in women. Start dating. They can cut hours off your leisure time while the side effects vary.

3) Pretend IL-2 wasn't worth the time and money. Say ridiculous things like "IL-2 planes are not modeled correctly" or "I can't believe that the Japanese planes can maneauver like that." Make yourself believe you hate the game.

4)You have to let go. All good things come to an end.

5) For those with extreme withdrawal symptoms, I prescribe shoving all the IL-2 CD's into a lawnmower or blender, and tearfully push the crush button.

6) Move back in with your mother, or, in some cases, move out.

Be careful, do not follow these steps unless you absolutely have no choice. If you do, it maybe safe to come back and play in a month or two. Just don't get hooked again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

96th_Nightshifter
10-05-2005, 08:27 PM
Yeah I too have the addiction; I also may have to get over it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif You see before I came to work tonight (I'm in work now) I got the Blue screen of death on my PC, I tried in vain to get it to boot up again but to no avail. The hard drive is screwed, that I'm pretty sure of so now I am sitting reading the forums knowing fine well that when I go home I can't get my fix for the day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
Must.....do......something......else lol

VW-IceFire
10-05-2005, 08:32 PM
I think its the variety and diversity of the game, the aircraft it models, and the abilities that it affords us as the community to participate in.

Sometimes I go for the arcade dogfight servers and sometimes I strap on a A-20G and fly in the weeds avoiding bomber rammers on WarClouds and sometimes I build missions and campaigns in the FMB. Lotsto do and many ways to do it.

F4U_Flyer
10-05-2005, 08:47 PM
Hi my name is flyer and im an fbaholic , er pfaholic , along with nascar2003 and madden 2003. only games that keep there place on my hd!

Old_Canuck
10-06-2005, 12:29 AM
Got Xbox last weekend and it looks great on a big LCD but I keep coming back to this little box with IL2 inside -- way it's been for over 2 years now. Unashamed fanboy here and by the way, Icefire, thanks again for the missions ... and chuck older and birdbrain and thank you everyone who contributes to this sim experience. If we made a list of all the contributers to this experience: skinners, mission builders, movie makers, mods, trolls, the people who make all the nifty utilities and such it would be a long list indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EJGrOst_Caspar
10-06-2005, 04:36 AM
I use this kind of 'drug' (as you say) since it appeared on the market and even before. It was called IL-2 Sturmovik (the prime version) Beta Test. Cra*p, the more I used it, the more I needed it, the more I got of it. My dealer OM is supporting me well with the newest stuff as soon as I think there's no more way to go. Sometime even with experimentals too (have mostly a strange effect).

I'm not sure if its cureable in my case... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Still I'm on it since 4 years...

Maple_Tiger
10-06-2005, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by RAF92_Moser:
For those who crunch over there online stats and spend days in the tailgunner of a SBD. Do you scream at your monitor and throw your joystick at your dog and cry afterward? Are your eyes swollen and dry, your stomach emaciated til your ribs are as protruding through your skin? Do you spend countless hours trying to get that kill that puts you over 100? Do you argue over the forums about what is uber, and what is real flying like, even though you have never flown any of these aircraft?

Don't worry I too have battled through FBA. It is a serious addiction. But I have won now. I no longer have IL-2 on my hard drive, but I do not know for how long. I've been FB free for one week now, and I'm already back in the forums. Here are my tips for those who want to get rid of the addiction http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

1) Find something that will keep you busy all day. This could be working out, a job, a sport, school, or all the above for the workaholic type.

2) Find a profound interest in women. Start dating. They can cut hours off your leisure time while the side effects vary.

3) Pretend IL-2 wasn't worth the time and money. Say ridiculous things like "IL-2 planes are not modeled correctly" or "I can't believe that the Japanese planes can maneauver like that." Make yourself believe you hate the game.

4)You have to let go. All good things come to an end.

5) For those with extreme withdrawal symptoms, I prescribe shoving all the IL-2 CD's into a lawnmower or blender, and tearfully push the crush button.

6) Move back in with your mother, or, in some cases, move out.

Be careful, do not follow these steps unless you absolutely have no choice. If you do, it maybe safe to come back and play in a month or two. Just don't get hooked again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif



lol,

You'l be back this weekend.

tigertalon
10-06-2005, 06:41 AM
Getting tired of this sim is like getting tired of breathing. You only stop when you are 6 feet under.

nakamura_kenji
10-06-2005, 06:52 AM
pf+aep+il-2 are bad as crackpoint(operation flashpoint) like drug one start not stop ^_^

Texas LongHorn
10-06-2005, 08:01 AM
Bearcat, as usual, got it right. My own lovely wifey has a small mole on her left cheek. You don't throw out the baby with bath water. Marilyn Monroe had a similer mark, they call it a "beauty mark." In fact, in real life women in the fiftys and sixtys would paint them on with eyebrow pencil. Heck gents, we have the best sim in the world! LOL. All the best to you crazy bunch of flight sim lunatics, LongHorn

x6BL_Brando
10-06-2005, 08:33 AM
I had to go & dig out my original Sturmovik box to look up the date of release. Copyright 2001 it says. So I guess I've been flying nightly on HyperLobby - barring illness, holidays and offers of sex - since 2001.
Before that it was Warbirds and its WW1 sister, Dawn of Aces, for a few years. But once I'd shifted to IL2 I never looked back. I'm still finding new surprises as I delve into mission-building or fly some of the excellent campaign or single missions that other enthusiasts produce on a regular basis.

Flying_Nutcase
10-06-2005, 09:08 AM
Ah, here's my bit...

I remember when I first loaded up IL2 with a mate and we couldn't figure out why we kept running off the left side of the runway. Ha! So much water has passed since then.

What makes this such a great hobby for me is the 'whole package' of the game + learning HTML and basic PHP for my website and relearning Visual Basic 6 - soon to move to VB.NET or C# - for the utility IL2 Fog Of War. Not to mention the great folk I've met from around the globe.

This has been much more than just a great game. It's been an effective instagator of computer-related skills which have been and will be beneficial in the future.

Fanboi all the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

P.S. Not to forget the technology - TrackIR, free real-time comms, rudder pedals, HOTAS and Shift_E's sensational Voice Activated Command. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

chriswatton
10-06-2005, 10:53 AM
Phew!! I'm not the only one then! I have never been so hooked on a game for so long, and I have learnt so much about planes! I even imagine I'm flying a fighter when driving my Straight six engined car!(wife looks a little worried though!)

Is there another patch out soon, and what the hell's happening with the Battle of Britain game, keeps being put back when I look on Amazon!

I bought CFS3 before IL2, it nearly put me off sims for life, glad I gave this game a go now!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Flying_Nutcase
10-06-2005, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by chriswatton:
what the hell's happening with the Battle of Britain game, keeps being put back when I look on Amazon!


Don't hold your breath for that puppy - it'll be a couple of years away. But there's plenty more action to be had from Sturmi, so let's all get our heads down and tails up and enjoy the goodie we have. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

RAF92_Moser
10-06-2005, 06:32 PM
Contrary to what some people say, CFS3 is what jumpstarted me into flight simulators. That's why I can't say anything bad about it.

Maple_Tiger
10-07-2005, 04:41 AM
lol Moser.

skycaptain_1
10-07-2005, 06:58 AM
I would like to join FBAA... But, I don't want to be cured!!...I mean so what if I "fly" almost every night..I have a collection of over 50 model aircraft and get very excited when I see one in IL2...who cares if I have a dedicated website...or if I sneak on during the day sometimes and "fly" when I'm not at work..who cares!! I don't want to be cured!! No NEVER!! quick where's the pills honey I'm having another episode!!!

-HH-Quazi
10-07-2005, 07:06 AM
At least I can turn it off now. I used to be 3/4 am in the morning, falling asleep at my computer with my stick in my hand. HEHE That didn't sound right, eh? And what's super cool about this sim, is the I am flying with m8 that are 15 to 25 years older than I, and I am 41. So the future is bright!

jamesw21943
10-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
Do you guys find that CF3 makes a nice coaster?
was great until the cd broke!!
actually with the firepower add-on it is much improved and who doesnt want to fly a mossi or a tiff newbrunswick?

IVJG51_Swine
10-10-2005, 10:55 PM
Yep, it's an addition, or I should say a great hobby and the ability to play and communicate with people all over the world is just incredible. I think I will be doing this foreverhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kapteeni
10-11-2005, 01:39 AM
This is the only game for me. I am 46 and been playing with flight sims since Rowans Flying Circus and European Air War. But when FB came it really hit me, because there is Finnish planes and Finnish campaign. I never though that would be possible. + you really learn about www2 history when planning new missions or skins And now we have the Murmansk map with northern parts of Finland too.Do you guys know that besides Winter War (1939-40 and Continuation War (1941-44 we fought against Germans in Lapland War (44-45).

wintergoose
10-11-2005, 04:11 AM
The play catch up with my boy dream.
I have loved WWII planes since I was 8 year.
It is not only the game it is all the storyes and informations aroun it.
In the game I can noe fly the plans also in a "realistic" way.
The IL2 game has a lot of difference plains and maps and the play engine is the best I have ever tried. When I try other sims they dont apeal to me in the same way as IL2.
Also the comunity around the sim has somthing to do with my intrest in the game.
If the comunity dies out may be the interst will cool a little.
It is a lot of informations and help around her. I have never seen somting like it other places.
This is the only data game I am playing and nearly every day for over 2 years now.
The forum I have to glance into every day.
A great tribute to you all.

EagleDeer
10-11-2005, 05:01 AM
One word: online play. Err . . . two words.

Iron_Hand1
10-11-2005, 02:10 PM
Hi, my name is Sprint and I'm a PF-aholic....


Seriously 2-3 hours a night, 4 to 5 per on weekends, LOL


See you guys online later! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

S~

Vacillator
10-11-2005, 04:12 PM
I'm another one. Can't help myself.

Tonight after an enforced break (my appendix was whipped out last week and my wife gave birth to our first at the weekend - quite a week!) I finally felt well enough and had a bit of time (wife still in hospital) so fired up guess what.
After a couple of minutes I was saying 'Beautiful' to myself as I shot down a Hurricane in my 109E.
Just what I said about my new little boy and my wife http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Family and life comes first, but this is not a bad second...

Chuck_Older
10-11-2005, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by chriswatton:
After 2 years since I bought IL2, I still find myself playing it almost every night to get my 'fix'
I can't understand why I have never tired of it!, have played HL2, got bored with it, CoD, good, but don't play it anymore,,,, but IL2 (complete with every add on you can buy!), I still love it to bits!
I try to convince myself its childish wanting my 'fix' of flying, I'm 38 and design kits for a living, but I have been hooked on this game for ages!
Anyone else had the same experiences?? Do I need help??? lol

Chris

I can tell you why you don't tire of it.

It's because the limitations of the sim are only boundaried by your imagination and creativity. A lot of folks say basically "I'm bored" and in my opinion, they are bored because they want someone to take their hand and take them to the fun, instead of going and finding the fun for themselves. So far, no other combat flight sim has been able to cater to my desires to make entire campaigns based on almost any aspect of the air war in WWII and even before like this one can. If a scenario isn't out there, I can just make it so. Actually, I've started to do that again, with a co-conspirator, and the research, testing, and tuning are great aspects of the sim. The only time I'll get bored with this sim is if something better with more breadth of detail comes along. Can't see it on my radar screen. Even BoB won't cover as much ground as this sim for some time

FourShades
10-11-2005, 08:34 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm so hooked on this game that I hardly ever fly it! I'm too busy developing the Scorched Earth free add-on for FB! Now that's sick.

4Shades

han freak solo
10-12-2005, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
offers of sex

This is my favorite way to die in a mission offline. The "aircraft lost" count can go up for all I care! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

chriswatton
10-13-2005, 11:43 AM
I think some of you guys are right, it's because there are so many variations you can apply for each flight/campaign, especially with the UberDemon mission generator, no one mission is the same, as much as I enjoyed playing HL2/Call of Duty et al, they are essentially 'gameplay on rails', no matter how great they look, you always have to follow the game's sequence, not so with IL2, I have played it for over 2 years now, and still only scratched the surface!

Kuna15
10-14-2005, 01:38 PM
I do not see one reason why I should stop playing this game. Even after OM's BoB or some game better than FB/PF combo comes out.

This game is just too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ashley2005
10-14-2005, 01:52 PM
they put a addixtion drug into the case so when you open it and breathe in it goes up your nose and you get addicted...ok so thats wot i tell my friends who constantly ask me to go out lol :P

fuser59
10-14-2005, 07:45 PM
Coco Puffs since early childhood. Tobacco since my early teen's. IL2 (Entire series) since my 45th Birthday.

Some things are just too hard to give up. Three Ex-Wife's have came and gone to become relics of my past while my God, my guns, and my IL2 fixes help to keep me sanehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fabianfred
10-15-2005, 06:36 PM
although i've always had an interest in WW2 because of my dad... this has sparked a lot more reading of books etc.
I never knew that much about the Pacific war, being British, now I have many books and with my P2P have downloaded many documentaries about battles and 'Great Planes'.
Watching them makes me go right on and fly the plane showed, because it got me 'interested' in that model again.
I never fly on-line, so am not all that interested in 'kills'.... but the mission builder provides endless fun.
Each new patch gives a new 'fix' with new stuff to try out or incorporate in our old missions.
reviving old missions and flying planes that we couldn't before is good too.

jimDG
10-16-2005, 03:27 PM
actually Im pretty bored of this game already- after 2 months of online gaming. And I only played offline to learn to fly online.
I really dont have the patience for slooowly gaining height, than sloowly circling until I see an enemy beneath, then circle get myself in a BnZ position, or just dive-zoom-dive etc until I catch him with his tail pointing my way for the last 300 m of the dive.
Gee, here's half the game described in one single sentence.
And if I go for the TnB, theres of course always the patient ones waiting on top of things, so they dive, i turn, they dive, i turn, they dive, i die. Heres the other half of the game, in one singe sentence again.

nothing new happens, ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

on the other hand I had quite a lot of fun the other day on a "jets vs. vulchers" map on the AFJ (i think it was) server. Now that called for inovative tactics and thinking, not to mention different flying (for the jets). I really think the game suffers badly from poor, piecemeal map/scenario design. on most servers its either air-quake, or "go bomb something/kill those who bomb your stuff". one and the same over and over again.
In Counter-strike you get a few, but well thought of maps - with many possible different tactics - both group and individual. Of course its easier with FPS games - tactics depend on the position of obstacles/walls/doorways, so its easy to design maps.

Why cant we have maps where one team spawns in a stream of bombers (either a bomber or a stang), and the other in jets on the ground?
Why cant we have maps with 1000 tanks and lots of AAA shooting at each other, and the team that kills most tanks wins?
Or scramble-protect-factory scenarios?
Ignoring the fact that the engine might not allow it yet - theres also the team motivation element.
Why should I be shooting tanks? rather than fight someone at 3000m who also doesnt feel like shooting tanks? What do I care if the team wins or looses? Why should I fly a weave with another, say, hellcat?
Whats needed is some difference to my enjoyment of the online game, depending on whether or not my team is winning or loosing.
Such as better/worse aircraft for my next respawn.

Anyway -the people who share my feelings couldnt possibly be reading this - they are gone after their 2 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

FoolTrottel
10-16-2005, 04:30 PM
Why cant we have maps where one team spawns in a stream of bombers (either a bomber or a stang), and the other in jets on the ground?
Why cant we have maps with 1000 tanks and lots of AAA shooting at each other, and the team that kills most tanks wins?
Or scramble-protect-factory scenarios?
Ignoring the fact that the engine might not allow it yet - theres also the team motivation element.
Why should I be shooting tanks? rather than fight someone at 3000m who also doesnt feel like shooting tanks? What do I care if the team wins or looses? Why should I fly a weave with another, say, hellcat?
Whats needed is some difference to my enjoyment of the online game, depending on whether or not my team is winning or loosing.
Such as better/worse aircraft for my next respawn.

This is not the right game for you.
( My guess is it's too old for you. Or you are too young for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Move along to a newer game. And after two months of playing that, you'll get bored ... then .. Move along to a newer game ... and so on ...

You are a modern consumer, deal with it... Move along! And keep moving along!


Anyway -the people who share my feelings couldnt possibly be reading this - they are gone after their 2 months

You are right, they have moved along to a newer game.
I'm not one of 'm, I'm too old for that...
When I grew up, I was happy with all the things I got ... I made do with them ... Never really asked for more ... And if I did want more ... I'd build it myself ... or imagine it ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Have Fun!

Flying_Nutcase
10-16-2005, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by jimDG:
actually Im pretty bored of this game already- after 2 months of online gaming. And I only played offline to learn to fly online.
I really dont have the patience for slooowly gaining height, than sloowly circling until I see an enemy beneath, then circle get myself in a BnZ position, or just dive-zoom-dive etc until I catch him with his tail pointing my way for the last 300 m of the dive.
Gee, here's half the game described in one single sentence.
And if I go for the TnB, theres of course always the patient ones waiting on top of things, so they dive, i turn, they dive, i turn, they dive, i die. Heres the other half of the game, in one singe sentence again.

nothing new happens, ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

on the other hand I had quite a lot of fun the other day on a "jets vs. vulchers" map on the AFJ (i think it was) server. Now that called for inovative tactics and thinking, not to mention different flying (for the jets). I really think the game suffers badly from poor, piecemeal map/scenario design. on most servers its either air-quake, or "go bomb something/kill those who bomb your stuff". one and the same over and over again.
In Counter-strike you get a few, but well thought of maps - with many possible different tactics - both group and individual. Of course its easier with FPS games - tactics depend on the position of obstacles/walls/doorways, so its easy to design maps.

Why cant we have maps where one team spawns in a stream of bombers (either a bomber or a stang), and the other in jets on the ground?
Why cant we have maps with 1000 tanks and lots of AAA shooting at each other, and the team that kills most tanks wins?
Or scramble-protect-factory scenarios?
Ignoring the fact that the engine might not allow it yet - theres also the team motivation element.
Why should I be shooting tanks? rather than fight someone at 3000m who also doesnt feel like shooting tanks? What do I care if the team wins or looses? Why should I fly a weave with another, say, hellcat?
Whats needed is some difference to my enjoyment of the online game, depending on whether or not my team is winning or loosing.
Such as better/worse aircraft for my next respawn.

Anyway -the people who share my feelings couldnt possibly be reading this - they are gone after their 2 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

You're missing 99% of the game. No wonder you're bored. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Suggestions to liven up this awesome game/sim:
1) Fly with one or more others with voice comms (maybe via a virtual squadron). Flying together makes all the difference to immersion and tactics online.

2) Once you've found one or more people to play with, fly coops. They can be any situation that you want, has the advantages of flying with (or against) real pilots and gets you away from the dogfight-only situations.

3) Connected with (2) above. Learn how to use the Full Mission Builder so you can get creative and make missions (coops in this case) that will thrill you to bits. lol.

4) Get Shift_E's Voice Activated Command - it works a dream for controlling AI.

5) If you find the flying part boring, here's an instant cure: Fly with map icons and mini-map path off. This forces you to use your eyes, compass and a stop-watch to find your way around. You'll be constantly engaged in keeping track of where you are and there'll never be a dull moment again.

6) And one more thing for the near future. My utility IL2 Fog Of War (still in development) allows the randomisation of object positions and quantities, including flights and groups of flights so you will never be able to sit back take it easy, and you'll never know quite what to expect in the target area - amount, type and position of AA, targets, non-target objects, etc, etc. I've ben using it in testing and the effect is outright spooky.

I hope the above has broadened your thinking a little. I reckon you'll be loving this game for years to come, unless you're truly an action-only fan. Just don't confine yourself to solitary online dogfights.

S! And good luck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kuna15
10-16-2005, 06:05 PM
Well I on the other hand get bored from switching the games so I decided to stuck with this one because it is a good game + it deals with aviation history which I liked from my childhood. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Several factors combined really...

I read your post Jim and TBH unlike you, I spent 90% of my FB time offline. I like good single missions as well as good campaigns. They have many advantages over online aspect of playing.

Also COOPs are where online thing really is IMHO (since we have no online campaigns). With respect, but all other aspect (deathmatch teammatch etc.) aren't really my style. Although from time to time I play DMs a bit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jimDG
10-17-2005, 07:20 AM
FoolTrotel: nah, that's not it, I stick with what I like. I've been playing CS for 5 years now, Civilization for 10, The Elite clones (Privater-Freelancer) for 11, the X-COM/Jagged Aliance series for 6.
So far I've only given up on the RTS series (Dune-C&C-Warcraft-Starcraft), after warcraft 3, and this was because I didnt like the looks - 3D objects + RTS dont mix well, IMO.
I gave up on the flight sims since Strike Comander, but IL2 needed checking out.
And I've been nuts about WW2 aviation for about 10 years now, general aviation for 15, modeling for..hm.. 25?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Anyway - what do all these games have in common? They reward me with new toys to play with, if I make good progress through the game (new/better weapons/units). Which, if the game is not different when replayed - at least ensures my consumer loyalty for the next installment of the series.

I think when it comes to shooting games (including IL2) - I've been spoiled by CS - I expect fast AND "tactical" (as opposed to "reflex") AND team-oriented action.

Flying_nutcase: You are completely right. However, rather than having to find specific people for team-flying (which is hard, and also coordinate time of play etc), I think the game should encourage it using a stick-and-candy approach, and lend itself to it. This way total strangers will team-up, on any server, and all the people on the server will be doing it. Again - CS is a good example (as opposed to Quake).
I tried TS for a few days on the servers that had a TS server, and found out that very few of the people on the server actually use it. Individual (high-scoringhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif pairs, mostly.

Kuna: I dont think I can ever go back to playing non-scripted single-player-offline games for long periods of time. Computers are so predictable! (there are some exeptions - like Civilization) Humans, however, are an endless source of surprises, when put in conditions where there are no optimal winning strategies (Paper-Scizzors-Stone scenarios).

Kuna15
10-17-2005, 11:03 AM
You are quite right AI is quite predictable. But try online COOPs you are gonna love these, IMO they bring new level of immersion to game.
If I die or bail, that's it I cannot hit refly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Bad thing about COOPs is that you have to wait for players to join, and that sometimes can take a while.

Now if we could just have online campaigns...

Bearcat99
10-17-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by jimDG:
FoolTrotel: nah, that's not it, I stick with what I like. I've been playing CS for 5 years now, Civilization for 10, The Elite clones (Privater-Freelancer) for 11, the X-COM/Jagged Aliance series for 6.
So far I've only given up on the RTS series (Dune-C&C-Warcraft-Starcraft), after warcraft 3, and this was because I didnt like the looks - 3D objects + RTS dont mix well, IMO.
I gave up on the flight sims since Strike Comander, but IL2 needed checking out.
And I've been nuts about WW2 aviation for about 10 years now, general aviation for 15, modeling for..hm.. 25?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Anyway - what do all these games have in common? They reward me with new toys to play with, if I make good progress through the game (new/better weapons/units). Which, if the game is not different when replayed - at least ensures my consumer loyalty for the next installment of the series.

I think when it comes to shooting games (including IL2) - I've been spoiled by CS - I expect fast AND "tactical" (as opposed to "reflex") AND team-oriented action.

Flying_nutcase: You are completely right. However, rather than having to find specific people for team-flying (which is hard, and also coordinate time of play etc), I think the game should encourage it using a stick-and-candy approach, and lend itself to it. This way total strangers will team-up, on any server, and all the people on the server will be doing it. Again - CS is a good example (as opposed to Quake).
I tried TS for a few days on the servers that had a TS server, and found out that very few of the people on the server actually use it. Individual (high-scoringhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif pairs, mostly.

Kuna: I dont think I can ever go back to playing non-scripted single-player-offline games for long periods of time. Computers are so predictable! (there are some exeptions - like Civilization) Humans, however, are an endless source of surprises, when put in conditions where there are no optimal winning strategies (Paper-Scizzors-Stone scenarios).

You havent been flying the right missions.... try out some Coops. Get into making your own missions...... it isnt hard and the payoff is great.. you get to fly what you like... The AI isnt and will never be as good as a live pilot.. but with the right mix of skills and numbers it can be just as challenging.

jimDG
10-17-2005, 02:11 PM
Well, everyone is different. I dont presume to be saying that there is some fundametal offline or online flaw with the gameplay. I am not really the patient type (and thats just me), and coops/campains do need a huge ammount of patience to be enjoyed.
I do think the CS format can be adapted to IL2 without ruining realism..or rather .. trading some historical realism for behavioural realism. Newer better a/c did not appear on airbases between sorties BUT neither did WW2 pilots fly their own individual missions and complain about KS.
Now - coop missions do sort this out - but at the expence of waiting, and realism (like the AI FM antics).

Can an online map/scenario change its a/c depending on team score? If yes, I'm starting a new server tomorrow and making my own maps, air-CS style.
(I really dont know)

If no, then it will be a worthwhile addition to the engine, and shouldnt take much writting.

How's that community gonna grow or gain popularity, ever?
If newbies die outright whenever they try online play? And are kicked and banned for vulching and KS until they learn? Are there many people who are gonna stick with it until they learn? Plus - without a basic interest/understanding of aviation one is never gonna get the essence of energy flying.

So, rather than make arcade games on the side (i.e. more easily accesible/playable stuff) - this game's programmers/modders can attemt to encourage some teamwork on the scenario level- theres nothing to loose.
With teamwork - you fly as the rest - so you are automaticaly taken through the "winning" moves (BnZ and the like), plus theres more protection.

Doug_Thompson
10-17-2005, 03:30 PM
You folks ought to give this forum some credit.

I disappear from IL-2 for months at a time. Then I'll check here to see what's happening, if there's any new patches or anything. Every time, I get the bug all over again.

han freak solo
10-17-2005, 08:46 PM
I gotta admit, the only thing getting repetitive for me is the fighter missions offline.

You know what's really unexpected on my part? I bought Battle Over Europe, Operation Barbarossa, and The Last Days for diversity. They are just a bit better than the standard stuff that came with IL2FB/AEP/PF. The user made campaigns are the best and absolutely unmatched. Short, but unmatched.


I really like the variety I can choose for different campaigns. Torpedo campaigning in the IL2-T was learning a new way of doing things to attain goals.

Just last night, I finally got around to a Rufe Campaign that has time limits and specific landing areas to achieve goals.

Both of these recent campaigns are thanks to Zues Cat.

The day I ever get broadband, I will try coop online stuff, that's for sure.