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zoltank8
04-06-2007, 05:14 AM
There's sure to be a few topics like this. It's by no means intended to be whining or moaning, just curious to know how long am I to put up with my lousy performance... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What I wonder is how long it took for you, mates, to get from basically no experience at all with flight sims to an acceptable performance shown airborn? When was it when you kinda said "I don't suck big time!" anymore? (I mean getting an average pilot, nothing more, nothing less)

I KNOW it takes time and I have patience based on logic but sometimes I lose it all!

At B&Zing I am okish however no matter who I encounter 1on1, no matter what planes are involved I always end up w/ the other on my 6, sooner if I don't have my moment or later when I do. Sometimes I am seriously considering bailing w/o my chute to end my misery for good. Hehe!

Just want to know your experiences sort of statistically put if it makes any sense.

zoltank8
04-06-2007, 05:14 AM
There's sure to be a few topics like this. It's by no means intended to be whining or moaning, just curious to know how long am I to put up with my lousy performance... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What I wonder is how long it took for you, mates, to get from basically no experience at all with flight sims to an acceptable performance shown airborn? When was it when you kinda said "I don't suck big time!" anymore? (I mean getting an average pilot, nothing more, nothing less)

I KNOW it takes time and I have patience based on logic but sometimes I lose it all!

At B&Zing I am okish however no matter who I encounter 1on1, no matter what planes are involved I always end up w/ the other on my 6, sooner if I don't have my moment or later when I do. Sometimes I am seriously considering bailing w/o my chute to end my misery for good. Hehe!

Just want to know your experiences sort of statistically put if it makes any sense.

Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 05:34 AM
HI ZOl, sorry top have left you in the lurch... I STILL have not reinstalled 1946. DOH.

I feel guilty for ovffering you help and then 'disappearing' so to speak after one flight.

If all depends what plane oyu are flying. If it is a better close in dogfighter, such as you in a SPitfire vs a FW190A, then you should have no toruble getting onto his six as long as he will stay and turn-fight (unlikely unless hes a rookie)

There is sort of a 'ladder' which shows the better dogfighters, with the not so good. If you are above on the ladder, then you can risk a 1 on 1 turn fight. If you are below, then I wouldnt unless you havea big energy advantage. Learn which planes turn better than what, and then decide on the spot if youthink you dshould dogfight.

i153
Zero
Spitfire
La5/Bf109F/G/P40
Yak9
P51/P47
Tempest/FW190

DO you get the idea? If you are in a Zero and you meet a P51, you can definitely afford to 'mix it'. But if you meet a SPitifre while you are in a FW190, then I would not risk a lot of dogfighting as the Spit turns far better.

If you want to practise dogfighting, then fly the SPitfire or Zero for a while and hope that your opponents are daft enough to engage you in a turnfight.

BAsically if you are in a better turning plane then you should be able to keep circling until you come around on the other guys tail.

Go for a flight on 334th server (dogfight arena) Fly in WOnderwoman for better view (everyone else is), and play some 'airquake' for a while, great fun when you are learning, and you will soon get the hang of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW what settings are you flying? WHich server? Are you losing sight of your enemy?

Bearcat99
04-06-2007, 06:17 AM
I had been flying in CFS1 for a year. My first night online it took about 12 attempts before I could even get off the ground. My first online kill came months later. I would say if you follow the nuggets guide and try to practice at least 1 hour a day you should be able to at least start surviving if not racking up the kills.

I also think that it is a good idea to lower your expectations a bit. I mean... if the dogfight chest beating shootemup free for all is what you like then..go for it. But if you want to learn the sim and to appreciate some of the better things that come with it.. like teamwork and a sense of accomplishment then consider the coop servers or some of the more structured DF servers.

rnzoli
04-06-2007, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zoltank8:
What I wonder is how long it took for you, mates, to get from basically no experience at all with flight sims to an acceptable performance shown airborn? When was it when you kinda said "I don't suck big time!" anymore? (I mean getting an average pilot, nothing more, nothing less). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Almost 3 years and still counting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif This game has a learning curve of the Himalayas. Only the very few reach the top http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

You seem to measure success in one on one results. I give you another perspective to think about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rookie
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Doesn't know his limits, engages at disadvantage, maybe makes some lucky kills, but doesn't know why he loses in other cases. Doesn't read brief, missions objectives are something that others do and care about, not him. Almost never on comms. Boasts when winning, whines when losing. Posts in general forums.

Average
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Knows his limits. Engages at advantage only. Does't make many kills per sortie, sometime no kill at all, but survival rate is acceptable. If killed, he knows why, but most often he RTBs with damages. Supports the team to reach the mission objective. Often on comms. Enjoys the game for what it is, doesn't whine. Posts in Community Help.

Ace
---
Knows his limits and has the talent to push them out further and further. Engages at advantage, turns a disandvantage into an advantege through a series of deliberate combat tricks. Makes huge kill scores at times, but not always. Leads the team to reach the mission objectives. Always on comms. Enjoys the game for what it is, and makes argumented proposals where he considers it lacking. Posts in Oleg's ready room.


At the very moment when I gave up trying to be the guy winning all engagements, a completely new game opened up for me, and when flying with others in co-op missions, I can sincerely be happy for the success of others.

Monterey13
04-06-2007, 07:05 AM
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Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 08:09 AM
I owuld agree with all the comments in Rnzolis post, except WHERE they post.

There are as many clueless whiners posting in OLegs ready room as anywhere else!

p-11.cAce
04-06-2007, 08:19 AM
Rnzoli has it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif There are so many "levels of ability" in this sim. I had gotten rid of minimap path years ago but just recently switched off the map icons - http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif - even the most simple mission is now unbelievably difficult! I built a bunch of missions just to practice navigating and right now spend 75% of my time just trying to figure out where the heck I am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

DooDaH2007
04-06-2007, 09:39 AM
In the about three weeks I have been flying now, I have made three attempts at on-line playing...

In those three attempt (roughly 2 1/2 hours in total), I have brought down 0 planes and managed to get an amaizing 0 bullits into an enemy...

In my last attempt, I did manage to stay alive a long time though, by using zoom and boom and keeping every ounce of energy I had...
Untill offcourse I decided to really go for an enemy and before I knew it, had a fw190 in my rearview mirror and burst into flames not a second later...

Only thing that speaks for me is the fact that it were padlock and wonderwoman servers, while I was using trackir and full cockpit for immersion...
I simply do need those icons tough, couse my aircraft recognition ability is 0...

The learning curve in this game/sim is very very steep and I don't expect I will be getting a kill within a month, unless I meet a newbie like me...

The thing I am scared of most at the moment, while flying on-line, is to piss off regulars, by taking off in the wrong direction and such or shooting at a friendly...

Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 10:20 AM
WHat server are you flying on Doodah?

slappedsilly
04-06-2007, 10:40 AM
I've flown for 5 years, but I have some buds that have only been flying for about 6 months and they are doing very well. IMO, don't take any short cuts. Make the flight model realistic from the begining and you won't have to over come bad habits later. Keep all views on if you want, but dont turn off any of the flight model stuff.
Playing online too early may discourage you. Know that being an opportunist, and knowing when and where to run play a big role online. Alot of pilots fly in pairs and with coms online, so your fighting teams alot and don't even know it. Learn to make some short, hard missions (with the full mission builder)and play them until you win easily, then add some enemy planes. Use unlimited ammo to get your aim down, and then switch to limited ammo to learn to conserve. I'm by no means great at this sim, but my buds I've taught can go online and get kills regularly.

Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 10:45 AM
I would say a few nights blasting away in an arena server like 334th would help to hone his dogfighting skills.

I actually learned to dogfight on these servers well before i learned how to B&Z.

Turn,turn,turn!

Now I try not to turn at all ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DooDaH2007
04-06-2007, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">WHat server are you flying on Doodah? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First server I joined was zeke vs wildcats, which turned out to be a big mistake...

The other was the 344th-dedicated, they had icons and it is there that I managed to stay in the air for maybe 10 minutes in my last attempt...
(I see now thet they have padlock off, my mistake, I didn't even try since they are just extra buttons to push)

I had been given the advice to start on ukded and have added their teamspeak server, but they were empty at the time...

Maybe tonight...

badatit
04-06-2007, 11:53 AM
Take any two new guys.
Have one learn to fly using strickly Zeke's vs Wildcats and/or Spit's vs 109's. If those two aren't available, use War-Clouds.

Have the second new pilot learn on servers with icons, open pit, externals and padlock enabled, the works.

At the end of six months time, which would be the better virtual combat pilot?


IMHO,
Baptism by fire, sink or swim.
If you are serious about wanting to learn the on-line aspect of this sim. Stick with the more difficult servers. This is where situational awareness, tactics, cockpit visibility, paint schemes, teamwork, etc., etc., etc., "really" come into play. Get teamspeak.

Aircraft recognition, takes time and practice. For now, get close. Close enough to see the nationality markings. For gunnery, get closer still.

Like many here, I came from other sims. I started back in the early '90s. Airwarrior.
I joined a medium difficulty arena, flew for a few days, then decided to check out the full real arena.
The full real arena was a whole different ball game. The guys in there, were a whole different breed of virtual pilot. They had there own languge (similar to brevity code).
They were a very friendly, helpful lot.
And, they were some of the best virtual combat pilots in the world at the time.

Times/Hardware/Software changed, and most (if not all were scattered to the winds. CFS1, EAW, Janes WWII Fighters, to name a few.

By the time IL2FB came out, I finally had a machine that could handle it. I logged into hyperlobby, joined a server, and promptly had my but shot off....numerous times.

I flew for weeks before I finally got an honest to god air kill.

It was more than three months before I became proficient.

When the AEP came out, everything changed.
Now, there was a P51 to fly. I flew it exclusively. PF came out, and we had the F4U (another one of my all time favorites). This is very important. Pick a plane, and stick with it...learn it...what does it do well...what does it "not" do well. Dont let the enemy put you into a position that your aircraft isnt good at.

I still crash on take-offs, and landings (occasionally). Like most, if I get careless, I get shot down.

Like you and everyone else, I'm "still" learning.
Good luck bro.
Salute!

dieg777
04-06-2007, 12:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zoltank8:
What I wonder is how long it took for you, mates, to get from basically no experience at all with flight sims to an acceptable performance shown airborn? When was it when you kinda said "I don't suck big time!" anymore? (I mean getting an average pilot, nothing more, nothing less). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Almost 3 years and still counting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif This game has a learning curve of the Himalayas. Only the very few reach the top http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

You seem to measure success in one on one results. I give you another perspective to think about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rookie
--------
Doesn't know his limits, engages at disadvantage, maybe makes some lucky kills, but doesn't know why he loses in other cases. Doesn't read brief, missions objectives are something that others do and care about, not him. Almost never on comms. Boasts when winning, whines when losing. Posts in general forums.

Average
-------
Knows his limits. Engages at advantage only. Does't make many kills per sortie, sometime no kill at all, but survival rate is acceptable. If killed, he knows why, but most often he RTBs with damages. Supports the team to reach the mission objective. Often on comms. Enjoys the game for what it is, doesn't whine. Posts in Community Help.

Ace
---
Knows his limits and has the talent to push them out further and further. Engages at advantage, turns a disandvantage into an advantege through a series of deliberate combat tricks. Makes huge kill scores at times, but not always. Leads the team to reach the mission objectives. Always on comms. Enjoys the game for what it is, and makes argumented proposals where he considers it lacking. Posts in Oleg's ready room.


At the very moment when I gave up trying to be the guy winning all engagements, a completely new game opened up for me, and when flying with others in co-op missions, I can sincerely be happy for the success of others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


OOOOOOOOH spooky and accurate

after 4 or 5 years offline and a year online then I still get those days I want to throw the joystick and the game through the nearest window.

however there are other times it is amazing


remember there are guys out there who have been on line for hours a day, seven days a week , for years

It takes time and practice to get there - a good squad or mates you fly online regularly with on ts helps as well

p-11.cAce
04-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Doodah - I'm with the 334th (sig) and would be more than happy to wing up with you anytime http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif If you do not have a headset be sure and get one asap - I used a $9 radioshack cheapey for over a year, so no need to go all out for high-def usb unless you want to. It is imperative that you fly according to the server settings and use teamspeak. Offline I fly full switch, online in an open pit server if you fly closed pit you are going to die often and fast - while it IS an immersion killer, to do otherwise in an open pit server is to try and fight with both arms tied behind your back.

Here are my tips for surviving on the 334th - get on teamspeak and make friends, even if you do not join the squad the guys on TS are great. You do not want to be alone! That 190 that dropped in on your six out of nowhere was probably the high guy from a team playing "drag'em down" while you chased the "rabbit".
Takeoff, head opposite the action, and don't turn back in until you are up over 3000M. Lots of guys (including me) like to turn and burn on the deck - but there are very few who can do it as a survivable strategy. 3000, or below is low, 3000-8000 is mid, and 8000+ is high. Mid alts are a good place to be, those guys up on the ceiling are usually very lethal specialist snipers who have been at this for awhile. I treat them like agents in the matrix, when I see them I RUN! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
The guys from the 69th fly on our server also, and while I have never flown or been on TS with any of them they are some d@@ fine pilots ~S~. Maybe check them out as well. Finally be sure and check out the 334th website. (http://www.334theaglesquadron.com/portal/)

334th_Acme http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

arrowtalon
04-06-2007, 12:41 PM
I spent a long time learning on the CFS series, though I gained a sense of orientation from old hits like Tie Fighter and Top Gun.

I would honestly say that IL-2 is a very poor sim to learn on if you have little or no flight sim experience. The flight dynamics are incorrect in "easy" mode, and even taking off in "hard" mode is tricky at first.

That said, I have a friend who is really bad at IL-2, and I can tell you some things to avoid doing.

-- Don't look around too much at first. That sense will come later. If you twist your view around to check your tail too often, you'll drive your ride into the ground more often than not.

-- Don't try to fly online until you get really good offline. Online pilots are bloodthirsty, impatient, want to improve their kill to death ratio, and will eat you alive. (It's like playing Halo with really good Halo players.) Once you get a sense of orientation, how to press the envelope in a turn, etc, then I would try flying online.

arrowtalon
04-06-2007, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">remember there are guys out there who have been on line for hours a day, seven days a week , for years </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have read this before posting. This is the most important point. The game isn't real in that it is a game, and like World of Warcraft, Halo, or anything else, there are people that are too competitive and much much much better than any pilot in reality ever was. Some people have thousands (maybe tend of thousands) of hours dogfighting. Almost everyone online would be considered a very good Ace if compared to historical flying ability.

So again, I would recommend getting plenty of flight time in against the computer first.

arrowtalon
04-06-2007, 12:52 PM
One more thing....

If you look at the kill to death ratio on many of the open cockpit servers, statistically speaking, the top-tier players usually don't have a kill ratio higher than 2/1. They get shot down or die in some other way half as many times as they make a kill. Typical average players on the same server only score as high as 1.2/1 or so. So, lower your expectations of never dying.

Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by badatit:
Take any two new guys.
Have one learn to fly using strickly Zeke's vs Wildcats and/or Spit's vs 109's. If those two aren't available, use War-Clouds.

Have the second new pilot learn on servers with icons, open pit, externals and padlock enabled, the works.

At the end of six months time, which would be the better virtual combat pilot?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would say there would be little difference, however the second guy would have much more fun learning if he started on the more relaxed servers, and moved on to harder settings when he is ready.

I learned to fly on 334th server, then progressed to historical missions and planesets on UKded1. Then onto UKded2 which has pit always on and externals on, these are the settings I enjoy most now for a relaxing nigghts flying.

I also like Winds of War and Warlouds and the other good servers.

Fly the settings that you enjoy. Once you have mastered them, and you feel confident for harder settings simply move on. There is no sense in making it an unenjoyable experince. Its supposed to be a fun game remember.

DOODAH - UKdeciated1 would be the perfect choice for you next. It has settings like 334th server, but with Historical Missions and planesets. Once you feel confident in that scenario, move onto UKdeicated2. Flying with cokcpit on is far more immersive once you are ready for it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ALso Ukded2 seems to attract much more disciplined flyers.

334th and Ukded1 would be perfect for people who are learning. Ukded2 the next step when you are ready to try pit on and no icons. Remember you can use padlock F6 and F7 keys to determine your enemies )air F6/ground f7) on these servers making it a little easier. It is expected to use F7 a lot because sometimes there is a war going on below and the two sides ground units are very close togther.

Once I reinstall the game, I will look out for you guys on Ukded2 and give you some pointers.

Dont forget to make the chat bar bigger so that you can see the mesages and chat. Open the chat box and drag the corner bigger with the mouse. make is 5 or 6 lines.

badatit
04-06-2007, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:


I would say there would be little difference, however the second guy would have much more fun learning if he started on the more relaxed servers, and moved on to harder settings when he is ready.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree with half of your statment. There would be a big difference.

After six months put the full switch pilot in a relaxed server, he would do fine. Although he would be giving up several elements that he could normally use to his advantage.

On the other hand, put the Relaxed server pilot, into a full switch inviroment, and he would be "completely" out of his element...and struggling. He would be a lost babe in the woods.IMHO.

Xiolablu3
04-06-2007, 01:32 PM
Thats up to you of course.

I started flying on 334th and relaxed servers.

In 6 months I was flying on Warclouds (usually FW190D9) and Winds of War with a KD ratio of at least 4:1

On UKded2 which is Full difficuluty but with externals on, I can score very well.

I definitely did not feel 'lost' on these servers.

UNless I misunderstood what you said. I thought you meant that a pilot STARTS on relaxed servers and then move onto harder settings as and when hes ready like I did. I naturally wanted to progress as I mastered easier settings.

badatit
04-06-2007, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I definitely did not feel 'lost' on these servers.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I should hope not...they both have mipmap path enabled.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">UNless I misunderstood what you said. I thought you meant that a pilot STARTS on relaxed servers and then move onto harder settings as and when hes ready like I did. I naturally wanted to progress as I mastered easier settings.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What I said was
Take any two new guys.
Have one <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">learn to fly using strickly</span> Zeke's vs Wildcats and/or Spit's vs 109's. If those two aren't available, use War-Clouds.

Have the second new pilot learn on servers with icons, open pit, externals and padlock enabled, <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">the works</span>.
added: Takeing for granted he would use, and grow to depend on the crutches.

At the end of six months time, which would be the better virtual combat pilot?


Dont mind me. I'm a realism fanatic.
I have a USB choke collar rigged up, that I wear around my neck when I fly. The more G's I pull...the tighter it squeezes. If I pull too many G's, it'll break my neck.

My next project.
When a crash is detected by the sensors, a simple switch should activate the saw mechanism.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r289/Badatit/ac_crash.jpg

DooDaH2007
04-06-2007, 09:48 PM
I made some fast progress here...

Tonight, I came to the ukdedicated 2 server, where I got the most helpfull advice from a friendly bloke named Walleye...

I tried to cover his wing and managed to hit an apponents (bf109) oiltank, while going head on in my wildcat, though my opponent left the server before I had the chance to be credited my first on-line kill...

So close..!

I have to admit though... I spend about 1/10th of my time looking forward, 5/10th looking behind me and 4/10th looking at the sun setting behind the clouds... Amaizing graphix..!


A bit later on, after changing teams and half an hour of flying without seeing an enemy, I managed to come to the resque of a teammate named 'gunshy' and I think I hit Walleye with a burst couse I swear I saw smoke comming from his plane...

I lost sight of him and he took advantage by comming up behind me for a burst of aircraft disabeling lead, but still... I can no longer say I have not hit an enemy anymore...

This sim rules http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
04-06-2007, 10:15 PM
Depending on previous flight sim experience, the abount of daily practice you can afford to do and your pre-existing knowledge of air tactics, anything from a week or two to a decade or two. If you can put in 5-10 hours a week doing something more immediately demanding than flying straight and level, probably about 2-6 months for a complete novice.

FrenziedAU
04-07-2007, 01:47 AM
One thing I find useful every now and again to practice gunnery, manoeuvres, and just to feel good, is to set up a QMB against a few inferior planes. e.g. the other night I gave myself a Ki-43 1c against a couple of Hawks. This lets you get the hang of getting into position to blast enemy planes, and then actually land the lead onto the target.

Of course, nothing beats flying online for quick experience.

Keep flying online, your first online kill will fell awesome!

DooDaH2007
04-07-2007, 10:22 PM
tonight, my first on-line kill, followed by another fighter and two bombers...

Yeee me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The guy over at ukded2 called walleye is a gift...
I litterally was learning by the minute...

AFJ_rsm
04-07-2007, 11:04 PM
from no experience at all to acceptable performance online?

well since my first online flight sim was cfs1, i'd say all in all a total of about 10 to 15 minutes

zoltank8
04-08-2007, 06:07 AM
Thanks mates for all the useful info and hints.

Sure enough, my expectations are normal. I do not aim high. Only returning to base with a smoking crate feels like sticking the tongue out at the attacker while wearing a grin on the face. And that is enough for me mostly. I'm not a K/D ratio freak...yet... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Who knows it may change once but I know my current place well.

I read immensly on every aspect of combat flight ever since I started flying last October or so and try to follow guides and put stuff back into practice. The greatest of help, as suggested too, would be teaming up with sy for a couple of weaks as they would be able to put their finger on mistakes. Apart from that I feel fine trying and trying.

Xiolablu, you should not feel sorry. You have already done a lot in keeping my spirit up and bringing my attention to things that are of vital importance.

One thing I definitely do wrong: even when allowed to, I never use the cockpit off view. Somehow it feels so strange to me to use. I use externals, that's fine, F6 is fine. I just wanna feel inside the plane and whenever I have tried to switch the pit off I feel hanging in the air...feels lame to me somehow. I know it is a such a detriment but I'll stick to my guns in this respect even if I pay a dozen deaths for my stubbornness on certain servers.

96th_Nightshifter
04-08-2007, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DooDaH2007:
tonight, my first on-line kill, followed by another fighter and two bombers...

Yeee me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The guy over at ukded2 called walleye is a gift...
I litterally was learning by the minute... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well done Mate, saw you in the server last night. Keep up the good work, join the comms channel for UK Dedicated if you haven't already done so. It just gets better.

mattaylor817
04-12-2007, 11:25 PM
i am new and can't even do a bombing run yet with the bomb sights. but ive noticed i can complete full missions in the campaigns now. i'm getting better. i'm aiming to just practice on the hardest difficulties so when i get online i might be proficient. except for the stalls and spins....i have that switch off. heh. i'll turn it on sooner or later. if youre interested in doing somw online coop. let me know. you can help me figure out this online thing and we could do some missions together or something. thanks for all the info fellas. your experience helps us all.

Banger2004
04-13-2007, 02:22 PM
Hi zoltank8.

I have flown with/against you several times now on the XN Oldies fun server (I fly as Banger), and you ARE getting better. By that I mean I can see a marked improvement in your flying, choice of target, and gunnery. It is a pleasure to fly with/against you as you are polite and fair minded.

You really put yourself at a disadvantage by flying closed 'pit on on servers such as this one,but I can understand why you refuse to compromise. That is the beauty of this game/sim, you can scale it to YOUR needs or preferences.

The advice given by others about UkDed 1 or 2 is very good, with a good choice of aircraft and scenarios, and well worth investigating. Try to get on comms also, many pilots will be willing to help out.

I tend to fly purely for fun nowadays, depending on my mood (I certainly find 'full switch' too demanding now), so am usually on the Oldies server as they are so friendly, and the skill level of the pilots they attract are set at a nice level. I am far from being an expert, only having been flying this sim for 21/2 years, but if I see you again perhaps we can 'wing up' and I'll try and pass on some of my very limited 'wisdom'.

The important thing here though is that you do not get disillusioned. You must keep at it, and without you really noticing things WILL start to come together. I regularly get blown out of the sky even now (mostly through my own mistakes), but I regularly also hand someone their *ss on a platter! That did not happen much when I started.

I had help from someone, and it was a fantastic asset. Many thanks to him (he knows who he is). However, I am still learning, and one way I do that is by recording tracks sometimes and reviewing later to see where I went wrong or what 'wonder manoeuvre' the opponent pulled off.

Keep flying, and hopefully we'll see each other around. Good Hunting!