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demonzoo
08-23-2011, 12:23 AM
I think everyone here may just noticed Ezio's new face from the E3 debug trailer. Some posts here have already discussed the difference between the two faces. But the majority said that Ezio just got older than before, or accept that it is normal the face in cg movie looks a bit stranger than real game character.

But after watching the latest real game demo from gamescom, I can't help to login the forum to ask:
What was up with Ezio & Altair's faces?
Did the Spanish model Francisco Randez end his authorization to his own face?

Altair and Ezio look like a totally stranger to me, and I don't know what will happen to Desmond Miles. It can't be more disappointing if all our familiar faces changed overnight. It is totally un-acceptable.

Forgive my English. It's not my native language.
Thanks.

Calvarok
08-23-2011, 12:38 AM
They haven't been using Fancisco's face since AC2. Did you not notice Desmond's face change? Anyways, the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor. So this is why Ezio and Altair look exactly like Desmond but with some different facial hair or differently colored skin. Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown. Interestingly, Altair looks more like Francisco again.

And the explanation for why Desmond'd face has been tweaked and updated is simply that the graphics got better. It's the same reason Brotherhood had better lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics for 4 games is unacceptable.

And they've decided not to do that.

Chill.

Edit: Also Ezio looked more different to you than he would normally because he has an epic frosted beard now, and you probably thought Altair looked different because the first time he appears in the trailer, he's squinting his eyes to look at Al Mualim. Look at him after he kills the guy. He looks very similar to how he did in AC1.

demonzoo
08-23-2011, 01:00 AM
Thanks for your reply.
I agree that Desmond's face changed in AC2, and also Lucy's. But I can still recognize that he is Desmond and she is Lucy, a little strange though.
But in the E3 debug trailer, after the templar removing Ezio's cap, I got confused who the hell that guy was. lol
I ever asked my friend, neither he knew... So that's a problem.

Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown.
Is it the official statement? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Calvarok
08-23-2011, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by demonzoo:
Thanks for your reply.
I agree that Desmond's face changed in AC2, and also Lucy's. But I can still recognize that he is Desmond and she is Lucy, a little strange though.
But in the E3 debug trailer, after the templar removing Ezio's cap, I got confused who the hell that guy was. lol
I ever asked my friend, neither he knew... So that's a problem.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown.
Is it the official statement? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes. They said in an interview that the reason they looked different was it was a different version of the animus, which interprets things differently. the only different way they could interpret faces is without Desmond's face altering them. Logic.

demonzoo
08-23-2011, 02:00 AM
Much appreciated, Calvarok!
I think I just missed the interview.
The explanation sounds reasonable, but I do prefer the previous face. It feels like your old friend suddenly went to Korea and did a Cosmetic surgery. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks again.

sassinscreed
08-23-2011, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
...the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qWhA3Yty4fM/TZkmEMlBgRI/AAAAAAAAKuM/aUCWhR8RGys/s1600/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH%2525255B1%2525255D%255B1%255 D.jpg

man animus is just fiction it has nothing to do with how they look, people who work in ubisoft do that and they did face changes

ezio looks different because ubisoft wants to make him look older but i think its mostly because of his beard

Markie577
08-23-2011, 03:03 AM
er lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics fo

Does anyone have a interview for this?

rednas3636
08-23-2011, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by demonzoo:
Much appreciated, Calvarok!
I think I just missed the interview.
The explanation sounds reasonable, but I do prefer the previous face. It feels like your old friend suddenly went to Korea and did a Cosmetic surgery. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks again.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif yea thats it

demonzoo
08-23-2011, 04:16 AM
Does anyone think that the "new" Ezio looks more like Mads Mikkelsen??

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demonzoo
08-23-2011, 04:18 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d76/ranorm/Yusuf_Ezio.jpg
Ezio

iNt0xiCaT3dSainT
08-23-2011, 04:35 AM
Nice double post and no they dont look alike. IMO they made Ezio look kind of Apeish. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

JJTHoukes
08-23-2011, 06:18 AM
He looks like Osama Bin Laden.

LightRey
08-23-2011, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by sassinscreed:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
...the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor.

man animus is just fiction it has nothing to do with how they look, people who work in ubisoft do that and they did face changes

ezio looks different because ubisoft wants to make him look older but i think its mostly because of his beard </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You should've read his entire post before posting one yourself that made you look as stupid as you do now.

Noble6
08-23-2011, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by SukhvirsCreed:
IMO they made Ezio look kind of Apeish. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif
Hah! Thats exactly what I thought.
I hope it won't be the final face but if it will , well, maybe I'll get used to it.

simonjako
08-23-2011, 06:48 AM
I love it! Remember how desmond looked #exactly like Altair, and ezio desmond, when they are your ancestors you dont look like them, and as ubisoft announced altair and ezio are not from the same family, they are two branches of desmonds family. Hence the reason to give them unique faces.!!!

Clap, clap, clap well done ubisoft!

demonzoo
08-23-2011, 07:27 AM
I hope it won't be the final face but if it will , well, maybe I'll get used to it.
You have to get used to it after all...
I just watched a video called "Animus Failure Trailer". Thank god they haven't changed desmond's face!

Assassin_M
08-23-2011, 10:08 AM
It actually gives me feeling of Uniqueness, before I just felt that Im playing Desmond just with different clothes and Voice, now I finally feel that Im playing 3 different, unique People..
I mean is it not enough that Ezio and Altair have the exact same sprint Style ??

ProdiGurl
08-23-2011, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by demonzoo:
I think everyone here may just noticed Ezio's new face from the E3 debug trailer. Some posts here have already discussed the difference between the two faces. But the majority said that Ezio just got older than before, or accept that it is normal the face in cg movie looks a bit stranger than real game character.

But after watching the latest real game demo from gamescom, I can't help to login the forum to ask:
What was up with Ezio & Altair's faces?
Did the Spanish model Francisco Randez end his authorization to his own face?

Altair and Ezio look like a totally stranger to me, and I don't know what will happen to Desmond Miles. It can't be more disappointing if all our familiar faces changed overnight. It is totally un-acceptable.

Forgive my English. It's not my native language.
Thanks.

This is just my opinion, but I'm very fond of Ezio and I'm more happy with his face in Revelations than ACB.
I don't think the Desmond face is attractive (the real [desmond] model looks better than the Desmond character too). I think they made his nose alot wider?
The beard action helped alot in ACB.

But I personally think the Revelations face resembles Jonathan Rhys Meyers from The Tudors to me (esp. in the mouth and at least in that one full face shot without the hoody), so that's a major plus when you add maturity to the face. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u0sOy-uJqlk/TfAOAz5yBhI/AAAAAAAAAwE/e11lTaGVq3Y/s1600/assassins_creed_revelations_ezio_ledge.JPG

http://seat42f.com/images/stories/tvshows/TheTudors/jonathan-rhys-meyers-the-tudors.jpg

RzaRecta357
08-23-2011, 06:12 PM
Wow. This again? First off, they still have Desmonds face. They haven't officially said anything about the faces. One dev mentioned it and not in official way.

Ezio looks like Desmond but his face is tired and old and weary from travel.

Altair looks like Desmond also. He's just like 18 or something. Ezio didn't look much like Desmond till around when he left for Venice. It's an age thing.

ProdiGurl
08-23-2011, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
Wow. This again? First off, they still have Desmonds face. They haven't officially said anything about the faces. One dev mentioned it and not in official way.

Ezio looks like Desmond but his face is tired and old and weary from travel.

Altair looks like Desmond also. He's just like 18 or something. Ezio didn't look much like Desmond till around when he left for Venice. It's an age thing.

Even with age I don't think the new face resembles Desmond at all anymore.
Either way, he's mostly covered with a big hood, so we'll most likely see very little of his face in the game.

NewBlade200
08-23-2011, 06:33 PM
They changed the facial animations and tech. They couldn't get them to look the same due to the fact that it is like the LA Noire system. They are using the excuse in Calvarok's post to explain tech troubles. Its nothing to get worked up about, its not like anybody looks like a fish. Unless Sofia Sorto looks like a monster you'll forget about it half way through the game.

ProdiGurl
08-23-2011, 06:38 PM
@ New, I agree - as long as it's not hideously worse, it's not any issue

MonsterJunkese
08-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by ThyMolizzo:
He looks like Osama Bin Laden. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

E-Zekiel
08-23-2011, 07:50 PM
I dunno wtf you guys are talking about when you say Desmond/Ezio look WAY DIFFERENT between games. Alta´r, Ezio, and Desmond look pretty much the same, with slightly higher definition graphics, between the games.

The only reason the jump from AC:B to AC:R is significant for Ezio is because while he was older-ish at the end of Revelations, you have to keep in mind that the game has its own engine and basically uses one model. AC:R has its own engine, too, and its own model. And while Ezio could feasibly still look kind of young for his age in AC:B, he's starting to get past that point in AC:R, so they had to reflect that.

As for Alta´r...Yeah, I do agree with you there. I will need to see it in the game for myself, not just in videos. I was thinking it was just me, but Alta´r does look a little different but it's not that....huge...so to speak. Again, will see when I get in game but I'm gonna say that something caught my eye too.

Mic_92
08-23-2011, 07:55 PM
Not this again...

Ezio's face looks different because they updated the graphics and now the faces are more detailed.

Ezio still looks like Ezio, Altair still looks like Altair.

The art style is just slightly different.

kriegerdesgottes
08-23-2011, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by demonzoo:
Thanks for your reply.
I agree that Desmond's face changed in AC2, and also Lucy's. But I can still recognize that he is Desmond and she is Lucy, a little strange though.
But in the E3 debug trailer, after the templar removing Ezio's cap, I got confused who the hell that guy was. lol
I ever asked my friend, neither he knew... So that's a problem.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown.
Is it the official statement? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If by true you mean retconed in so that Altair and Ezio wouldn't be related then yes.

rileypoole1234
08-23-2011, 09:11 PM
He looks enough like Ezio. Actually after seeing the CGI trailer I wish his face looks more like that. But it's still the Ezio we've come to know and love.

Calvarok
08-23-2011, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by demonzoo:
Thanks for your reply.
I agree that Desmond's face changed in AC2, and also Lucy's. But I can still recognize that he is Desmond and she is Lucy, a little strange though.
But in the E3 debug trailer, after the templar removing Ezio's cap, I got confused who the hell that guy was. lol
I ever asked my friend, neither he knew... So that's a problem.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown.
Is it the official statement? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If by true you mean retconed in so that Altair and Ezio wouldn't be related then yes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a retcon. They've made sure not to say that Ezio and Altair were related ever since we were introduced to the fine Italian gentleman. We just never noticed or asked.

@Newblade
Their new motion capture tech is only partially the problem. They COULD have used the same model, but because of the alck of detail, emotions wouldn't look as convincing on it. So they upgraded their entire face-making/skin shader/makingthingsbetterlooking system.

kriegerdesgottes
08-23-2011, 10:06 PM
sure, whatever you say lol.

beatledude210
08-23-2011, 10:51 PM
Really? To me, it looks like they've made Ezio resemble himself the way he used to in the Gamescom more than the E3 demo. And Altair looked weird but then a little bit after he looked normal. Well, this is what I thought.

Calvarok
08-23-2011, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
sure, whatever you say lol.

Ubisoft has told us that they knew this from the beginning. If you're so convinced that what they're saying is untrue, then you could use that lack of logic to say that EVERYTHING in Revelation's story is a retcon.

But that's really unlikely, isn't it? Anyways, Alexandre said that they're very strict about never retconning anything. This is Ubisoft, I think that if they wanted to retcon something, they wouldn't simultaneously announce "We will never retcon anything". that makes no sense. If they actually were retconning something, they would just say so.

kriegerdesgottes
08-23-2011, 11:27 PM
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me.

LightRey
08-24-2011, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me.
And just like that all your credibility went away.

ProdiGurl
08-24-2011, 11:27 AM
Ok, I just saw a demo clip of Ezio after he kills *edit in* Leandros* -
Ya, his face almost looks apish in that spot.
We'll have to see how the final product "evolves".

LightRey
08-24-2011, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by ProdiGurl:
Ok, I just saw a demo clip of Ezio after he kills Leonardo -
Ya, his face almost looks apish in that spot.
We'll have to see how the final product "evolves".
To avoid confusion, his name's Leandros, not Leonardo :P

ProdiGurl
08-24-2011, 11:39 AM
Thanks Light, my bad - I just did a segment w/ Leonardo in ACII and I obviously had that in my head.
:/

Calvarok
08-24-2011, 12:40 PM
I agree with Lightrey, I'm not going to take much time responding to that.

Yes, Revelations became a console game out of what the producers said. No, that doesn't mean it was rushed or anything.

They knew what they were going to be working on immediately after Brotherhood came out, both story and game-wise. all these decisions were made way before we heard about it.

In AC2, Altair and Ezio are shown with the exact same face that belongs to Desmond. Ezio does a better job at hiding it, because of his facial hair and different hair style.

Desmond was a somewhat bland character in AC1, he started to get more personality in AC2, and by ACB, he's one of the most enjoyable of the modern-day Assassins, next to Shaun.

Revelations is giving us a chance to see his backstory, and really understand him. He's going to be a great character.

I used to say what Yahtzee says and go "blah blah blandest guy ever, blah blah so boring", but then I realized that that's not actually what Desmond is. Yahtzee has a history of exaggerating the truth to make things sound funnier. He admits this in his weekly blog he writes alongside ZP. And I don't want to parrot someone's opinion without taking into the account the factors myself, and arriving at my own conclusion. And that's what AC is all about, anyways. No blind faith unless you've found a good reason for it.

Anyways, Ezio and Altair are just as relevant, because they come from separate bloodlines of TWCB. The fact that they exist and their destinies are somehow linked is even more interesting.

kriegerdesgottes
08-24-2011, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me.
And just like that all your credibility went away. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and how is that exactly? because I'm willing to acknowledge how much trouble the franchise is in while you guys live in fantasy land where the developers can take a bad situation and make it amazing over and over and it'll never get old? or the part how how desmond blows as a character. because there aren't enough games where a douchbag has super abilities in an open world. If it wasn't for his ancestors, these games would blow pretty hard.

LightRey
08-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me.
And just like that all your credibility went away. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and how is that exactly? because I'm willing to acknowledge how much trouble the franchise is in while you guys live in fantasy land where the developers can take a bad situation and make it amazing over and over and it'll never get old? or the part how how desmond blows as a character. because there aren't enough games where a douchbag has super abilities in an open world. If it wasn't for his ancestors, these games would blow pretty hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's this kind of commentary that causes you to lose credibility.

Calvarok
08-24-2011, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me.
And just like that all your credibility went away. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and how is that exactly? because I'm willing to acknowledge how much trouble the franchise is in while you guys live in fantasy land where the developers can take a bad situation and make it amazing over and over and it'll never get old? or the part how how desmond blows as a character. because there aren't enough games where a douchbag has super abilities in an open world. If it wasn't for his ancestors, these games would blow pretty hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about how Ubisoft has the story planned out enough that they knew Ezio was not related to Altair since they created Ezio.

The fact that you can't keep enough composure to simply state what you don't like about a fictional character instead of calling him a ******bag (which, by the way is not even close to what Ezio is compared to most game protagonists, or even Altair at the beginning of AC1) is why you lose your credibility.

If you can't constructively criticize, then you will not be looked upon fondly be mods. Expressing your opinion is fine. Just don't act like ficitonal characters have physically wronged you.

Mic_92
08-24-2011, 05:44 PM
Nevermind.

RobertDawson
08-24-2011, 09:23 PM
you know i never saw knew ezio's face was actually desmonds face brotherhood was the 1st game in the series i played and later played assassin's creed 2 and i have played through it many times and i have still yet see how ezio looks like desmond. i always knew altair looked exactly like desmond it was the first thing i noticed when i played the 1 hour trial of the assassin's creed

Calvarok
08-24-2011, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by RobertDawson:
you know i never saw knew ezio's face was actually desmonds face brotherhood was the 1st game in the series i played and later played assassin's creed 2 and i have played through it many times and i have still yet see how ezio looks like desmond. i always knew altair looked exactly like desmond it was the first thing i noticed when i played the 1 hour trial of the assassin's creed
IF you've unlocked the Desmond skin, play a mission with Ezio, then play a mission with Desmond. In the cutscenes, you'll see that they have the exact same shaped face.

RzaRecta357
08-24-2011, 10:05 PM
Like I said in AC2 it's easy to see Ezio has Desmonds face.

When he is 17 it's not quite right yet.

When he says "That's my kind of lady" or something like that to Da Vinci on the boat. That's Desmonds face.

demonzoo
08-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Wow guys thanks for all of your replies.
Like what I have posted, I just think that the develop team should not substantially modify the facial features after 3 games release.
Too late to do that. sigh...
Increasing the sense of strangeness to the main character is not a good sign.

Thank you all. (calm down everyone, no need to fight :P)

Calvarok
08-25-2011, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by RzaRecta357:
Like I said in AC2 it's easy to see Ezio has Desmonds face.

When he is 17 it's not quite right yet.

When he says "That's my kind of lady" or something like that to Da Vinci on the boat. That's Desmonds face.
It may not seem like it, but Ezio's facial structure is completely unchanged for all of AC2. Just goes to show what different expressions and facial and normal hair can do to make a person look different.

Azula2005
08-25-2011, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
They haven't been using Fancisco's face since AC2. Did you not notice Desmond's face change? Anyways, the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor. So this is why Ezio and Altair look exactly like Desmond but with some different facial hair or differently colored skin. Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown. Interestingly, Altair looks more like Francisco again.

And the explanation for why Desmond'd face has been tweaked and updated is simply that the graphics got better. It's the same reason Brotherhood had better lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics for 4 games is unacceptable.

And they've decided not to do that.

Chill.

Edit: Also Ezio looked more different to you than he would normally because he has an epic frosted beard now, and you probably thought Altair looked different because the first time he appears in the trailer, he's squinting his eyes to look at Al Mualim. Look at him after he kills the guy. He looks very similar to how he did in AC1.

They did use Fancisco's face in ACB

http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...i/File:3D_Models.jpg (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/File:3D_Models.jpg)

Calvarok
08-25-2011, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Gabrieldebeta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
They haven't been using Fancisco's face since AC2. Did you not notice Desmond's face change? Anyways, the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor. So this is why Ezio and Altair look exactly like Desmond but with some different facial hair or differently colored skin. Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown. Interestingly, Altair looks more like Francisco again.

And the explanation for why Desmond'd face has been tweaked and updated is simply that the graphics got better. It's the same reason Brotherhood had better lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics for 4 games is unacceptable.

And they've decided not to do that.

Chill.

Edit: Also Ezio looked more different to you than he would normally because he has an epic frosted beard now, and you probably thought Altair looked different because the first time he appears in the trailer, he's squinting his eyes to look at Al Mualim. Look at him after he kills the guy. He looks very similar to how he did in AC1.

They did use Fancisco's face in ACB

http://images1.wikia.nocookie....s/4/40/3D_Models.jpg (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110815081241/assassinscreed/images/4/40/3D_Models.jpg) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Compare that to what Desmond's face looks like in ACB. The structure is entirely different.

They changed it starting in AC2.

LightRey
08-25-2011, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gabrieldebeta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
They haven't been using Fancisco's face since AC2. Did you not notice Desmond's face change? Anyways, the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor. So this is why Ezio and Altair look exactly like Desmond but with some different facial hair or differently colored skin. Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown. Interestingly, Altair looks more like Francisco again.

And the explanation for why Desmond'd face has been tweaked and updated is simply that the graphics got better. It's the same reason Brotherhood had better lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics for 4 games is unacceptable.

And they've decided not to do that.

Chill.

Edit: Also Ezio looked more different to you than he would normally because he has an epic frosted beard now, and you probably thought Altair looked different because the first time he appears in the trailer, he's squinting his eyes to look at Al Mualim. Look at him after he kills the guy. He looks very similar to how he did in AC1.

They did use Fancisco's face in ACB

http://images1.wikia.nocookie....s/4/40/3D_Models.jpg (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110815081241/assassinscreed/images/4/40/3D_Models.jpg) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Compare that to what Desmond's face looks like in ACB. The structure is entirely different.

They changed it starting in AC2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sorry but you're wrong about that. Granted, they've made some adjustments to his look. Desmond's face was fuller and he has a straighter nose for example, but they most definitely used Francisco's face as a base model.

demonzoo
08-26-2011, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Gabrieldebeta:

They did use Fancisco's face in ACB

http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...i/File:3D_Models.jpg (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/File:3D_Models.jpg)

Nice post! Interesting pic. Now I'm kinda curious about what the ACR 3D model would look like. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

waynedavies89
08-26-2011, 11:21 AM
I think they just did an MGs on Assassin's Creeds

look how the Snake models have changed since MGS2.
He's simply Old Ezio

NewBlade200
08-26-2011, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
What?! the story for revelations is about a year old!? are you kidding me? Darby even admitted it himself. In fact if you want to talk logic here is some for ya. Jean Francois said they would not be coming out with a new assassins game in 2011 then mr. pompess ceo of ubisoft came out and said you don't get to make that decision it's not up to you. Then on top of it Phillipe Bergeron said nothing would come out for 2011 except a huge piece of DLC for brotherhood. Then the b.s. DS game AC legacy got scrapped because they didn't have any other plans and they had to come out with something yearly. and you are going to tell me they had everything planned. There is no doubt in my mind that is a load of B.S. and they would most def not just "say so" they aren't even allowed to "say so" if they were allowed to say what they thought I promise you more of them would be talking about how outraged they are about being forced to rape this wonderful franchise yearly for every cent they can get against their will. but they have to pretend it's a good idea. except the couple who just walked out of Ubisoft instead.

And if you want to talk about the retconing, you can believe what you want and I did find it strange that Altair was never mentioned as family in ACII but the whole "oh the animus just imprints desmond's face onto his ancestor's face is total b.s. and I can't believe anyone would buy that. It even implies that you don't even really know what Ezio and altair actually look like because they both supposedly have desmond's face even though they don't look identical just very similar. The logic is flawed and ridiculous and imo makes ezio and altair less relevant because they no longer come from one badass bloodline of assassins. Instead, what it does is makes desmond more relevant because of his ancestor's separate bloodlines but here is the thing DESMOND SUCKS! he is a total ******. I would never play these games like I do if it was all about Desmond. So the no relation thing really hurts the relevance for me. I agree with you, but you need to calm down. You can't try to convince people by being so aggressive, it doesn't paint you in the best of lights. You see, after a period of time spent enjoying something you will start to expect it, even if it doesn't look likely. Some people have come to expect so much from AC games that they will defend even the worst of ideas. You can't break these habits. If someone denies it then don't attempt to change their mind. Just calmly state the obvious and if they don't agree, then don't try to convince them otherwise.

WhispernEye15
10-26-2011, 05:10 PM
I honestly think they changed the faces because they realized they didn't want to make Altair and Ezio related, so they just made them look different. If someone could tell me where it says the new animus changes their faces to their real one, that would be really helpful.

xx-pyro
10-26-2011, 05:27 PM
ITT: People who are angry that Ezio isn't forever young.

SleezeRocker
10-26-2011, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by xx-pyro:
ITT: People who are angry that Ezio isn't forever young.

They need to look into Gerontology then :P lol

Altair_X_Ezio
10-26-2011, 08:25 PM
Gravity...

sticks165
10-26-2011, 08:57 PM
magnets...

Sarari
10-26-2011, 09:04 PM
I'm ok with all their faces as long as Altair doesn't squint anymore after that cut scene with Al Mualim lol

LightRey
10-27-2011, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by xx-pyro:
ITT: People who are angry that Ezio isn't forever young.
It has nothing to do with his age. He's only a few months older than he was in AC1. He shouldn't have aged visibly. He looks different because of the new engine.

dannypdv
10-19-2012, 04:51 AM
They haven't been using Fancisco's face since AC2. Did you not notice Desmond's face change? Anyways, the reason Ezio and Altair's faces are different is because in the animus 1.0 (the one at abstergo) and the Animus 2.01 and 2.02 (the ones we used in Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood) the animus user's face becomes integrated into the ancestor. So this is why Ezio and Altair look exactly like Desmond but with some different facial hair or differently colored skin. Now, in Revelations, while Desmond has been into a coma, Rebecca has updated the Assassin's animus to version 2.03, and now both Altair and Ezio's true faces are shown. Interestingly, Altair looks more like Francisco again.

And the explanation for why Desmond'd face has been tweaked and updated is simply that the graphics got better. It's the same reason Brotherhood had better lighting effects and textures. And he'll look a lot more familiar if he loses the beard in the game. A beard totally changes the way you look at a person.

If you're asking for a change from a non-story perspective, Ubisoft invented the "ancestor's face is replaced by the user thing so that they would not have to make two faces for Altair and Ezio, and could just use Desmond's. With Revelations, they're taking presentation more seriously, and decided to stop messing around and make the characters visibly unique from each other.

It's not unacceptable. Using the same facial graphics for 4 games is unacceptable.

And they've decided not to do that.

Chill.

Edit: Also Ezio looked more different to you than he would normally because he has an epic frosted beard now, and you probably thought Altair looked different because the first time he appears in the trailer, he's squinting his eyes to look at Al Mualim. Look at him after he kills the guy. He looks very similar to how he did in AC1.




i am sorry to say but your hole comment is a huge lie well not lie since you most likely actually thought that but its simply not true first of all franciscos face was used in every assassins creed game except in revelations i dont get why you say that they stopped using it in asc 2 because thats not true they just tweaked it every game because he had to come back every year to get his face scanned again for every game also the animus 2.3 or what ever you say that changes ezios and altairs face into their "real" faces is again wrong since they all three have the exact face model i mean seriously you gotta have a better look and now that i clear that fact i will now say my own point of view
i think ezios and altairs old face are acceptable since well theyre well... old some people's faces believe it or not change a lot from their 18s till their 40s what i do take issue on is desmonds and young altairs faces since they are both the same face they both look like old ezio wich is obviously wrong i guess ubisoft just tried to make the face better and screwed up talking about screw ups by ubisoft is that ezio stopped having respect for the dead enemies. why? you ask well assassins creed fans were all pissed at ezio saying may you find peace and what ever else blessings he gave to his dying enemies besides the basic requiescat in pace they thought ezio looked not as manly and bad*ss as altair who only closed their eyes and made him more rude towards enemies a perfect example is leandros where after mocking him and stabbing him he he commands him to tell him more and when he sees hes dead he closes his eyes nicely and says requiescat in pace... then freaking slams him onto the ground and calls him a bastard! i mean really ubisoft?! i honestly liked the fact that ezio gave his enemies their last blessings before they passed away what the hell happened to marios teachings about not becoming like the pazzi anyways other than that i loved the game besides the fact where you cant decide to remove the armor without using a glitch huh
so in summary
ezio desmond and altair have all the same face they dont have their original face for having an updated animus take a look at their faces closely desmond and young altairs face should be fixed with a patch or add-on and ezios and old altairs face can stay the same i actually like them.

my apologies if anyone thought i was being rude while reading this comment its more that im upset at ubisoft but i dont mean any disrespect towards any of the users neither ubisoft itself thank you for your attention

one more thing i know im very late to post this but hey better late than never i hope you guys agree with my point of view and please dont take it personally i mean no disrespect

tre289
10-19-2012, 04:59 AM
ENTIRE POST

Wtf are you doing...

Hassassiyin
10-19-2012, 11:29 AM
He's resurrecting this topic to call TC's post a huge lie, who posted his last post before the release of AC:R..