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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:40 PM
DuxCorvan said in the other thread: "The fault is that, contrary to RL, people insist on winning the combat, even if the advantage has disappeared"

These words are so true and should have been made sticky IMO. Target fixation and the fact that people are refusing to leave the fight in the clear disadvantage is a bigger problem then any FM/DM so-called bugs.

Just my 02c. And i do realize that virtual life cost nothing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:40 PM
DuxCorvan said in the other thread: "The fault is that, contrary to RL, people insist on winning the combat, even if the advantage has disappeared"

These words are so true and should have been made sticky IMO. Target fixation and the fact that people are refusing to leave the fight in the clear disadvantage is a bigger problem then any FM/DM so-called bugs.

Just my 02c. And i do realize that virtual life cost nothing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Regards,
VFC*Crazyivan
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"No matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:42 PM
I second that,wholeheartedly.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:49 PM
Your .02 wouldn"t work in the other thread?

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:51 PM
I third that! A very good point, Ivan.

Have you noticed that the AI also suffers from this problem? They never hardly ever break it off and go home. The AI fights to the death regardless of odds.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:53 PM
Well, i partially agree on AI..partially because they leave the fight when damaged or even bail out.

Regards,
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"No matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:58 PM
This is why I advocate harsher "penalties" for virtual death. Like - just for starters, remove all points. Consider it starting with a new life.

Not much, if anything, will really re-create life preservation emotions, however, we can try to make it so people wish to have their pilot survive the long haul.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:58 PM
Yes, they break off if damaged, but that's only part of it.

The AI can't fight worth crap. All the AI can do well is turn and burn. The AI is a great simulation of Red turkey regiments, but even the better Russian pilots knew a thing or two about energy management.

It makes flying Russian offline campaigns pretty dissapointing because the LW AI gets themselves killed no matter how good their initial advantage may have been.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:01 PM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- This is why I advocate harsher "penalties" for
- virtual death. Like - just for starters, remove all
- points. Consider it starting with a new life.
-

Belive it or not DDT, i`m 100% with you on this one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Once you dead...you are brand new man and all your pressios points are gone.

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:12 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
-- This is why I advocate harsher "penalties" for
-- virtual death. Like - just for starters, remove all
-- points. Consider it starting with a new life.
--
-
- Belive it or not DDT, i`m 100% with you on this one
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
- Once you dead...you are brand new man and all your
- pressios points are gone.

Same here! Amazing how harmonious we can be at times /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . And I'm guilty as anyone of this. I have to really make an effort not to do anything crazy when flying VEF missions and the like, since they are not respawn Valhalla DF rooms.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:30 PM
This has historically been the greatest problem in trying to make sims realistic--not FMs or graphics. In sims all you have at stake is maybe your pride. And some people don't care at all about being "killed", so long as they get a few rounds on target.

Real war, of course, is literally life and death. Try to imagine the horror of having a bogey on your six! In some gun camera footage, it seems like the pilot of the pursued plane is frozen with fear, and unable to put together any decent evasion. Then he usually dies. No respawn!

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:37 PM
Good points. But it`s the few against the many...

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 08:38 PM
I agree... when shot down.. start from scratch. That will make the DFs really interesting!


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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:15 PM
I donno why it is not implemented yet... would deffinitely impact DF`s.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:44 PM
Definatley agree,

Im fairly new to this game and I seem to spend most of my time not firing a shot, just waiting for an oportunity. Have broken off many times if its not right. Makes the game more fun, even if I hardly ever shoot anything.

Tho I do enjoy a flying frag fest now and again.



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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:50 PM
maybe a harsher penalty is needed than simply loosing all your virtual points. maybe everytime you die online you have to re-install FB. or maybe they'll come out with a headset where everytime you get shot down it will send electricity pulsing through your brain. hell even a shock collar would work.

but seriously its a good idea to impose a larger penalty. keeps people from ramming you too.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:54 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:58 AM
A USB shock collar - now there's an idea! I would fight to stay alive if death brought me 115 volts...

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 01:55 PM
Virga wrote:
- A USB shock collar - now there's an idea! I would
- fight to stay alive if death brought me 115 volts...

Except for the liability and the fact that nobody would wear it. lol

I like the hose the FB install idea though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Zayets
09-17-2003, 01:58 PM
It will work! UBI will distribute high voltage USB collarswith the game. wanna play FB? well , then wear that damn collar!

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:28 PM
Relax gentlemen,

I'm actually in the process of starting a new company: real-simming.com. You sign up with a membership, and we will your online fights. Should you die, we will turn up at your door step and put a bullet through your head. Should you bail out, we will just give you some bruises and a broken ankle. And obviously a literal dose of highgrade gasoline and a match, if you bail from a burning aircraft.

Please sign up now for preliminary subscriptions to the ultimate in simming. Batteries not included.

cheers/slush

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:41 PM
Sign me up. Just make sure to use the proper caliber round when shooting me at home.


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 05:35 PM
Virga wrote:
- A USB shock collar - now there's an idea! I would
- fight to stay alive if death brought me 115 volts...

An USB shock collar would be very impeding when using a joystick & mouse. The cable would tangle around arm, making flying uncomfortable. I propose an USB underwear shocking system inserted between legs. The cable would run between feet and pedals and surviving would be even more motivating for the male pilot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Crazy Ivan, thank you for the quote. I'm not sure to deserve it, but I feel really flattered. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 05:39 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
-- This is why I advocate harsher "penalties" for
-- virtual death. Like - just for starters, remove all
-- points. Consider it starting with a new life.
--
-
- Belive it or not DDT, i`m 100% with you on this one

- Once you dead...you are brand new man and all your
- pressios points are gone.
-
- Regards,
- VFC*Crazyivan


I love it great Idea !!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 05:40 PM
Slush69 wrote:
- Relax gentlemen,
-
- I'm actually in the process of starting a new
- company: real-simming.com. You sign up with a
- membership, and we will your online fights. Should
- you die, we will turn up at your door step and put a
- bullet through your head. Should you bail out, we
- will just give you some bruises and a broken ankle.
- And obviously a literal dose of highgrade gasoline
- and a match, if you bail from a burning aircraft.
-
- Please sign up now for preliminary subscriptions to
- the ultimate in simming. Batteries not included.
-
- cheers/slush
-
- <img
- src="http://dk.groups.yahoo.com/group/aktivitetsda
- ge/files/Eurotrolls.gif">
-
- You can't handle the truth!
- Col. Jessep



ROFLMAO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 05:50 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- An USB shock collar would be very impeding when
- using a joystick & mouse. The cable would tangle
- around arm, making flying uncomfortable. I propose
- an USB underwear shocking system inserted between
- legs. The cable would run between feet and pedals
- and surviving would be even more motivating for the
- male pilot.

well i guess there are some people out there that would like this...

generally, i think a penalty for dying is a good idea. so often ppl crash into me just because they dont want to break off, and then...both are dead... wow, what a hero..