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Shifty101
07-13-2005, 10:29 AM
I have recently been informed that my video card has been fried and needs replacing. I used to have a Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti4200 128mb which served it's purpose very well over the years. I did a little research on the internet as to prices but I would like to hear opinions from owners or tech gurus on two different cards. I am looking to spend $250-$300 on the card and some cards I saw that caught my eye were the GeForce 6800 GT 256mb for $289 and the Radeon 800X Pro AGP. Any other opinions or suggestions are welcome.

SeaFireLIV
07-13-2005, 10:57 AM
I guess you mean the X800XT.

Anyway, both cards have their merits and are very close performance-wise. The ATI card works better with AA/AF maxed out, but the 6800GT wins when less AA/AF or none is used. The one pro that the GT6800 does have is it will enable water=3 effects for maximum real looking water (but will kill your framerates if your system`s not high spec).

I got the GT6800 and I am extremely pleased with it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

faustnik
07-13-2005, 11:08 AM
Like SeaFire said, they are both good. I have the X800 XT and it runs great.

lbhskier37
07-13-2005, 11:15 AM
If it were me picking between those two cards, I would probably go with the one that gave the best game bundle. At that price point the ATI and Nvidia cards right now are all very close. I also have had better luck with Nvidia drivers, but not enough difference for that to be a deal breaker.

Aero_Shodanjo
07-13-2005, 12:19 PM
Ive got the impression that asking such question could end up in an endless debate. ATI vs Nvidia, Intel vs AMD and so on...

However, I would like to suggest that if familiarity is important, do buy and use the brand that you're most familiar with, that is Nvidia. On the other hand, if you like to try something new, buy the ATI.

Im not trying to sound wise here, but since both cards have each of its own merits and shortcomings, and very comparable in performance, what I wrote above may well be the only decision that's worth considering.

shaka_dude
07-13-2005, 10:43 PM
Does anyone know anything about the ATI X850 and how it compares with the X800 XT?

310th Falcon
07-14-2005, 02:32 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">3DMark05</span> game tests
Finally, we have 3DMark05's game tests.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-overall-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game1-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game2-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game3-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/halflife2-trtown-4x16x.gif

The Radeons own Half-Life 2, too. Here, the Radeon X850 XT PE reigns supreme, followed by the All-in-Wonder X800 XT. Again, the Radeon X800 XL is largely competitive with the GeForce 6800 Ultra, at least among 256MB cards.
Interestingly, Half-Life 2 shows some separation between AGP and PCI Express flavors of the Radeon X800 XL, although neither one is a clear winner. Keep in mind that our AGP and PCI Express cards are running on different motherboards with different core logic chipsets, so the platform differences extend beyond the graphics card.



Best Regards

IvanoBulo
07-14-2005, 03:25 AM
If you playing IL-2 most of time buy 6800GT because IL-2 is optimized for nVidia cards.

Regards!

Slechtvalk
07-14-2005, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by 310th Falcon:
<span class="ev_code_RED">3DMark05</span> game tests
Finally, we have 3DMark05's game tests.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-overall-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game1-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game2-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/3dmark05-game3-4x16x.gif

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/agp-radeons/halflife2-trtown-4x16x.gif

The Radeons own Half-Life 2, too. Here, the Radeon X850 XT PE reigns supreme, followed by the All-in-Wonder X800 XT. Again, the Radeon X800 XL is largely competitive with the GeForce 6800 Ultra, at least among 256MB cards.
Interestingly, Half-Life 2 shows some separation between AGP and PCI Express flavors of the Radeon X800 XL, although neither one is a clear winner. Keep in mind that our AGP and PCI Express cards are running on different motherboards with different core logic chipsets, so the platform differences extend beyond the graphics card.



Best Regards

Lol you must be an ATI fan boy.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-14-2005, 03:32 AM
I gotta admit that those charts don`t half look biased. I mean, even if those results are correct (and I`m not saying they`re not), where`s the charts with NOAA/AF? Then you`d probably see a some diff in results.

310th Falcon
07-14-2005, 04:54 AM
Lol you must be an ATI fan boy.

How did you know?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Not really I'm looking at both Nvidia, and ATI...6800GT or X800XL.

Leaning alittle to ATI.

Here is website: TR "The Tech Report" Forums (http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31027)


Best Regards

crazyivan1970
07-14-2005, 05:03 AM
Just upgraded my system... one of the components X800XT-PE What can i say...blown away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif didn`t even overclock it yet, not sure if there is a need for it lol. Flying around 1600x1200x32, 2AA, 2AF forced - averaging 80s. Of course it`s not really video card alone, FX53 does the job too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

310th Falcon
07-14-2005, 05:33 AM
S! Ivan

Who is the manufacture of the X800XT-PE you purchase?


Best Regards

crazyivan1970
07-14-2005, 05:58 AM
Sapphire mate.. here: https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info....23f0836803bfafc6dd5a (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=24_138&products_id=667&osCsid=fe139440ae2e23f0836803bfafc6dd5a) there she is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stock speed 520/560 but Hunter said it clocks stable at 581/581 on liquid. I dismounted liquid cooling for now - waiting on bracket for CPU water block (Swiftech takes ages to get something out of them LOL). When it comes will see what she can do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

310th Falcon
07-14-2005, 06:49 AM
Rgr that.....thanks for the info


Best Regards

BelaLvgosi
07-14-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by 310th Falcon:

The Radeons own Half-Life 2, too. Here, the Radeon X850 XT PE reigns supreme, followed by the All-in-Wonder X800 XT. Again, the Radeon X800 XL is largely competitive with the GeForce 6800 Ultra, at least among 256MB cards.
Interestingly, Half-Life 2 shows some separation between AGP and PCI Express flavors of the Radeon X800 XL, although neither one is a clear winner. Keep in mind that our AGP and PCI Express cards are running on different motherboards with different core logic chipsets, so the platform differences extend beyond the graphics card.
Best Regards

I'm failing to see the same, Excepting for HL2 which counts as much a made for nvidia Doom3 bench anyway where ATI cards get way more trounced than nv4x in HL2, because it's heavily ATI optimised, I hope you know that in HL2 a plain 9600 is also faster than a 5900.
You see the 6800GT faster or without noticeable difference than any x800XL at all tests. Talking about .5% differences. So much for the legendary hit with high image quality settings which was true in the 5900 vs 9800 series, expecting the GT to be faster without AA or AF, then the hit in percentage might be higher than for a x800xl, but why does it really matter if fps are still the same in both cards!?
Jeebus! in RL the x800xl or the 6800gt should be the same.

VW-IceFire
07-14-2005, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by IvanoBulo:
If you playing IL-2 most of time buy 6800GT because IL-2 is optimized for nVidia cards.

Regards!
Actually thats not quite true. The IL-2 series engine was written natively in OpenGL and right now nVidia has a better OpenGL implementation than ATI does. So nVidia has optimized their hardware/software combination for performance under OpenGL better than ATI has. Although I understand ATI is working on better OpenGL performance, its true that nVidia is better at it.

That said, performance differences are ultimately minor between the top cards.

Shifty, I'd say have a look at which card suits you best, fits into your system best, and offers the features you really want.

When I went to make my choice, I chose an excellent Radeon 9700Pro. ATI makes very good cards with top notch quality, good driver support, and generally lower power consumption than the competing nVidia cards. That said, I previously owned nVidia cards and was happy with them too. Although I think the Catalyst drivers are superior to what I've seen from the Detonators (I haven't tried Forcewear) its really apples and oranges.

Both companies put out excellent products. The competition between the two really propells things along and you have some excellent options open to you either way. Its really a matter of choosing the one that works best for you.

If it were me, I'd be hard pressed to make a decision between the 6800 series or a X800 series. Very difficult...

fordfan25
07-14-2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Shifty101:
I have recently been informed that my video card has been fried and needs replacing. I used to have a Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti4200 128mb which served it's purpose very well over the years. I did a little research on the internet as to prices but I would like to hear opinions from owners or tech gurus on two different cards. I am looking to spend $250-$300 on the card and some cards I saw that caught my eye were the GeForce 6800 GT 256mb for $289 and the Radeon 800X Pro AGP. Any other opinions or suggestions are welcome.



6800gt all the way broa. of course depending on the rest of your rig and weather or not your going to up grade you may want to look at a 6600gt.

my PC is a 3000 64bit amd and i saw little deffernce going from a 6800 "almost same as a 6600gt" to my current 6800gt. just a thought.

HellToupee
07-14-2005, 09:29 PM
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I wouldnt look at hl2 benchmarks to decide on a card the results are quite BS, a sli 6800gt loses out to all x800s unless of course u crank up to insane levels.