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Tomeron
07-05-2008, 07:26 AM
Hey guys!

I just finished Assassin's Creed about an hour ago, and I was seriously shocked. There's just so much information suddenly, and there's lots of theories to discuss.

First of all I want to say that I'm from Israel - Acre is 15 minutes of driving from where I live. I don't know much about ancient buildings and stuff, but my mom recognized LOTS of buildings in Acre and Jerusalem, because a lot of the buildings and towers of that time are still there today (maybe I'll go to Acre one day and look for the towers I saw in the game :P ). So anyways... This was a really awesome experience for me.

On to the topic - here's some stuff I thought about (I will keep updating when I think of more)

The woman

There's something I didn't see mentioned yet - Altair is one of Desmond's ancenstors. And guess what that means - Altair had kids. So basically, eventually Altair will marry a woman and they'll have kids. Now lets think - who's the one and only woman that was actually a big part of this game? That's right, that girl from Jerusalem that tricked Altair into thinking she's Robert. Altair could've killed her - but he didn't. Also note - back at that time people didn't live for long (I don't know how much - probably about 40). Altair's age is somewhere around his 20's-30's, which means he doesn't have a lot of time left. And we do know he WILL have kids - and that increases the chances that the woman from Jeruslaem will marry him.

Here's another thing - Lucy is probably an assassin, right? (She was almost killed by Abstergo, but then she was taken hostage just like Desmond and now she's going against them). That means one of Lucy's ancestors was an assassins too, right? So, what if Desmond's ancenstor, Altair, married with Lucy's ancestor?

Leila

Leila Monreo (Monrao? Moanreo?) was an Abstergo employee. Alan says Leila suicided but can't give much detail because it's classified - why is it classified? Maybe Leila has some connection to Desmond or even Altair? (Leila = an arabic name. In hebrew (maybe in arabic too, I dunno), Leila = night)


Sequel (Prequel?)

I have 2 theories for this one:
<STRIKE>1) This one isn't very likely - the story will continue with Altair (or with one of his sons).</STRIKE> Removed - continue reading for more details.
2) I believe in this theory more - remember all the Japan refferences when you end the game? Who left them there? That's right - Subject Sixteen. Many people mentioned the fact the next game may be in Japan, but don't forget the fact that the next game could be a prequel, in which we'll play as Subject Sixteen, the subject that came before Desmond.

(Edit) I just figured that the first theory can't happen - Desmond already started the process of bleeding (or bleeding out, forgot the name), which means he's gonna die soon - means the next game can't focus on Desmond nor Altair (unless Desmond's father was kidnapped by Abstergo but I doubt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

Past vs Future

History repeats itself.
In 1191, there was a war between the Templars and the Assassin's, who both wanted to get the artifact, in attempt to rule the world. In present day, same happens.

In 1191, Altair pickpockets people to gather information. In present day, Desmond pickpockets accesskeys to gather information (to get access to their email).

End of the world

Some religion or calender or whatever (I don't understand much in this) says the world will end in December 21st 2012 (12212012) - you can see that number when you finish the game. And when's the satellite launching - the one that'll contain the artifact that controls people's mind - at December 21st.

The next world (Heaven?)

As an Israeli I know hebrew, and the hebrew characters you see on the walls says "Haolam Haba", which means "The next world" - usually reffers to Heaven (or Hell).

A messege from the future, or another animus user?

Someone sent Warren a messege saying that he saw it - the metal ball. How could he have seen it if Abstergo didn't have it?
Some people may say that someone used the animus, went back in time and sent Warren an email, but that's impossible - that someone saw the metal ball sometime between September to December, but the animus allows you to see your ANCESTORS memories - so there's no way he could've done that.

A better explanation to this, is that someone else used the animus (or a different animus) to go back in time to 1911, and saw Al-Mualim use the "metal ball".

I had lots of these going in my mind, but I can't remember much right now, but I'll keep updating this topic.

Do you have something to add? Post it!

Tomeron.

ScytheOfGrim
07-05-2008, 07:33 AM
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BTOG46
07-05-2008, 07:34 AM
I hate to spoil your moment of glory too, but there's another more recent thread :- HERE (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6031058706) as well, discussing the game ending. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tomeron
07-05-2008, 07:43 AM
This isn't a topic about Assassin's Creed 2. It's a topic about all kinds of theories - not only about what the next game will be about.

And that other post isn't a place where people post their theories. Someone completed the game and said what's at the end, alright, so? I'm sure people said all kinds of stuff in the 45-pages of this thread, but so what? A thread where people will post their theories will be much better. (Not a "Wow, you completed the game??" "How much time did it take you??" "Dude I like this game!!" thread)

ScytheOfGrim
07-05-2008, 07:44 AM
Excellent.

Keep thinking that.
At its core, it's the same thing.

BTOG46
07-05-2008, 07:49 AM
Yes, as Scythe says, keep thinking that when this thread is locked by one of the mods in charge of this forum and you're directed to post in an existing thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tomeron
07-05-2008, 08:05 AM
Lets hope this won't happen, because the topics you've directed me to weren't the same as this one.

The "Assassin's Creed 2" one is obvioulsy unrelated because the next game is only a small part of what I said here.

The other one, about the guy completed the game, is just people explaining stuff such as how to get the accesspen etc (some post their theories, but who will start searching the 45 pages?).

I think that if all the theories will be put in this topic (since I will keep updating the first post with theories people suggested) it might help see the big picture. But it's the mods' decision, I guess.

lostassassin123
07-05-2008, 10:19 AM
There is also a possibility that the Women in Altair's life was Adha.

Also Adha can be Leila's ancestor.

And the guy in Warren's message probably meant the previous incident (Can't remember what happened, but it was an attempt to launch a satellite) :/

Also don't mind the guys, they complain because these forums get moderated, like, once a year. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-05-2008, 10:25 AM
Also don't mind the guys, they complain because these forums get moderated, like, once a year. Tongue


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lostassassin123
07-05-2008, 11:05 AM
</ignorance>

Fission Mailed

spazzoo1025
07-05-2008, 04:54 PM
im pretty sure a wife wouldn't have been the only time Altair ever did it with someone...

DescentedAngel
07-07-2008, 06:05 AM
Pretty nice theories! You helped a lot with your translations and all that...
About the pickpocket thing... I pretty sure that the team that created the game wanted us to see that if someone make you do something, even bad, you learn from it and use it against him... Abstergo teach Desmond how to pickpocket via Animus, not directly, they did't wan't something like that to happen... I believe that, because the game has many many things like this passing on to us through the game... That's one many things I love in this game!!!

PS. Sorry for any mistakes in my English, I'm Greek...

Crash_Plague
07-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Actually, Tomeron, I really, really, like this thread.

I certainly hope it doesn't get locked because I like the intellectual thought put into this thread; not just from you, but from people like "DescentedAngel", ignoring Scythe for a second http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Anyways, I really find the approach in this thread better and "cleaner" than the one in the AC 2 thread.

You analysis is also very good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

westlacson1
07-07-2008, 07:58 PM
ok, so this is a reply to the very first post.

as for the first thing, wouldnt that make lucy and desmond distant brother and sister? or cousins or something. i think i see a luke-leia thing happenin. no, i think it would be desmond and leila who were distant relatives. leila got found out, got killed off, and now they cover it up. that also shows why lucy is friends with her.

that also covers point #2. ok, i did a reply to the sequel issue in the forum for the sequel, so i'm not gonna repeat it.

ok #4. first of all, the 1911 thing bugs me. i dunno, it just does. anyway, yes, he does pickpocket warren's pen, which leads me to think that he's getting in touch with his inner altair. again, read the forum about the sequel to see what i think about that.

as for #5, that would mean that if it did continue, it would be right away, because december 12 is doomsday. and i actually didnt see that connection, so thanks.

#6...speaks for itself. its where the earths a'goin depending on the actions of desmond and lucy. alright, the last one. your theory makes perfect sense. but...there were only two main characters left to see it: altair and malik. and i dont think desmond wrote the email. the point i'm getting at is: does malik have an ancestor? leila? lucy? or maybe someone we meet in the next game. who knows?

haha, wow, that was drawn out. ok, so my theory(ies) have more to do with the events in the animus itself, particularly the ending.

alrighty, so the piece of eden, towards the end, shows altair where the other pieces are located. however, the piece of eden is temptation, so perhaps it was trying to tempt altair to go to the ends of the earth, only to find nothing. or maybe it was tempting abstergo in the future.

ok, and lastly, the "wisdom and folly" monologue by al-mualim. if you've read the bible, you know this is a quote from it. the book is an epistle, but i forget which one. anyway, this also means that theres a whole other list of theories involving the reality of the bible, the old and new testament both, and especially the relation between altair, al-mualim, and god.

that was long. but i'm done. thanks again tomeron

LaurenIsSoMosh
07-07-2008, 08:29 PM
OH MY GOSH IT'S A FLAMING WALL OF TEXT!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

westlacson1
07-07-2008, 08:48 PM
please excuse my wall of text. i'm new to this forum stuff

AndrewFlatt
07-09-2008, 05:54 PM
I had completly forgotten bout that twist where that girl had disguised herself as Robert du Sable. Im making an Assassins Creed Film Series which iv made from scratch, im linking it to the game storyline. one idea i had, warning spoiler Alert!! those who havent completed game. Did you find the other Computer in the room connected to the Animus room. An email tells of all the artifacts Abstergo are searching for. It says the Holy Grail theres a lack of evidence to prove it exists. my idea was that at the final memory you see Altair with the peice of eden which produces a hologram of the globe with dots indicating locations of the other artifacts. Altair i beleive sought out these artifacts and hid them from the Templars. Stumbled across the Holy Grail. He drank from it, maybe God beleives he is a chosen one to end the Templars evil ways. granted him Immortality. Big story twist, hes still alive in modern time and meets Desmond and rescues him, trains him to become an assassin. I came up with that idea n would be very funny if iv thought of this idea before the developers have LOL.:smash Great theories Guys, keep up the good work. Play hard. Safety and peace! : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

teamsolid
07-09-2008, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Tomeron:
Past vs Future

History repeats itself.
In 1911, there was a war between the Templars and the Assassin's, who both wanted to get the artifact, in attempt to rule the world. In present day, same happens.

In 1911, Altair pickpockets people to gather information. In present day, Desmond pickpockets accesskeys to gather information (to get access to their email).

End of the world

Some religion or calender or whatever (I don't understand much in this) says the world will end in December 21st 2012 (12212012) - you can see that number when you finish the game. And when's the satellite launching - the one that'll contain the artifact that controls people's mind - at December 21st.

Tomeron.

1911? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif that was like world war 1! Alty was way back (1191, dyslexia anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ). i don't think there were many white robed assassins running around stabbing people in the trenches!

Or were there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Are you saying thta world war one was an elaborate secret waar fought between templars and the asssassins, disguised as a world war!

DescentedAngel
07-12-2008, 02:30 PM
Ok you are right... Noone noticed it... But we all know he wanted to say 1191... By the way the 1st world war started at 1914...

Tomeron
07-13-2008, 05:31 AM
Hey guys, thanks for the great comments.

@teamsolid: Yes, I meant to say 1191. Thanks for noticing, I'll fix it now.

@lostassassin123: Who's Adha? The girl that disguised herself as Robert du Sable?

@spazzoo1025: Sure, but I'm pretty sure that back then (and even today maybe) muslim people don't have sex before marriage.

ScytheOfGrim
07-13-2008, 05:34 AM
@spazzoo1025: Sure, but I'm pretty sure that back then (and even today maybe) muslim people don't have sex before marriage.
True, even today.
Or at least we're not supposed to...

But the devs have said that Altair is not a religious person, but more of a spiritual person.
Plus, the Ismailis have always been notorious, so how well they follow the rule is... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif