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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:06 PM
S!,
Please, don't misunderstand this post. Looking at the current rosters for VOW (Virtual Online War), it seems to me that our European brothers fly at Full Real settings more than we, the USA, do. Currently, 2175 European pilots are enrolled in VOW. USA enrolled pilots equals a pittiful 218. Now we all know that flying at Full Real settings can be difficult. However, with practice, full real becomes very, very satisfying.

My question: Do the our European friends take FB more serious than the USA? Why is this so?

It seems most FB pilots in the US are arcade flyers. I want to challenge more US based pilots to give FR a honest try. It will not be easy for those of you used to flying w/o cockpit, icons on, externals, etc. However, the rewards for learning to fly FR will be very satisfying.

I also want to encourage more US pilots to participate in VOW and VEF2. You don't know what you're missing.

With Respect,
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:06 PM
S!,
Please, don't misunderstand this post. Looking at the current rosters for VOW (Virtual Online War), it seems to me that our European brothers fly at Full Real settings more than we, the USA, do. Currently, 2175 European pilots are enrolled in VOW. USA enrolled pilots equals a pittiful 218. Now we all know that flying at Full Real settings can be difficult. However, with practice, full real becomes very, very satisfying.

My question: Do the our European friends take FB more serious than the USA? Why is this so?

It seems most FB pilots in the US are arcade flyers. I want to challenge more US based pilots to give FR a honest try. It will not be easy for those of you used to flying w/o cockpit, icons on, externals, etc. However, the rewards for learning to fly FR will be very satisfying.

I also want to encourage more US pilots to participate in VOW and VEF2. You don't know what you're missing.

With Respect,
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Message Edited on 06/16/0303:10PM by HeinzBar

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:15 PM
HeinzBar wrote:

"It seems most FB pilots in the US are arcade flyers."

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Haha.

It's a game.

Yes, the one you play also.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:17 PM
You are usual trol. Your post is stupid.

We are flying Full Real - Iron Skies. Thqnk you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:20 PM
A little harsh there arent we bogun?


My friends and I just started flying with the cockpit on. We still have the externals and such, with very short range icon settings. Anyhoo, I cant hit a flippin thing the cockpit on. Its going to take some getting used to for me.



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:26 PM
Just a thought: The different time-zones could explain why there aren't that many Americans on European servers.

cheers/slush

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:27 PM
That is a bad conclusion based on no empirical data.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:33 PM
Cardinal are you refering to slush's response?


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:46 PM
Heinz B¤r

Are the Brazilian guys included in those 218? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:49 PM
Cardinal25 wrote:
- That is a bad conclusion based on no empirical data.
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:54 PM
SmokeJaguar wrote:
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- Cardinal25 wrote:
-- That is a bad conclusion based on no empirical data.
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- I prefer metric/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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You on the brandy and coke again SJ? Or are you just being you usual master-spamming self? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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06-16-2003, 03:55 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:02 PM
GEEZ!!!,
If you'll take the time to re-read my post, you'll see that I was referring to VOW as a reference. Additionally, if you take the time to look at IS, you'll see there is still a lack of US pilots compared to Europeans. If you folks would take the time and look at the example, with the numbers provided, you'll see that there is a descrepency in participation of US pilots in FR competitions such as VOW, VEF2, and IS.

I don't see anything wrong w/ the numbers provided, so I'll stand by my observation Cardinal.


No Kimura, I only included continental US. VOW has the ability to sort pilots by Real Nation. Brazil has 50 registered pilots.

James Gang: FB is designated a simulation. The only thing that seperates it from being an arcade game is the ability to make it "real as possible" with the available options. Anytime the options are set to anything but full real, the sim becomes an arcade game. I choose to fly an simulation and not an arcade game. I hope you can understand the difference.

I post a simple observation and I get cut a new a$$hole for it.

Post by Bogun:

"You are usual trol. Your post is stupid."

What the hell is that suppose to mean? Find another post of mine that purposely causes trouble. Unlike yourself Bogun, I didn't call anyone names nor did I try to insult someone's intelligence.

My first sentence calls for DA's like yourself not to misunderstand the reason of my post.





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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:05 PM
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Message Edited on 06/16/0304:05PM by SmokeJaguar

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:34 PM
Did you bother to check to see if there are more Europeon online players overall, than US players?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:47 PM
Biggest problem with any international league is time zone conflicts.

8pm eastern US time is 1AM central euro time. Add eastern europe time zones and western US timezones and it gets even more difficult for everyone to meet up.

Then there is the lag associated with connecting to far off servers.



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:12 PM
HB,
I have to agree that time zone differences play a big part in the lack of participation by US pilots in such said competitions. But as far as I am concerned I don't really care what settings I use as long as I can have PL and externals. But I can tell you why we the 361st vFG prefer medium settings. We want to be able to allow everyone to be able to play with us in our coop's/servers and such. I am not saying that using FR is elitist but some people especially newbies are kinda overwhelmed by it. I think that it is great that there is that level of competition online, however there probably would be alot more US participation if there was something run while many of us Americans were online.
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:13 PM
James_Gang wrote:
- HeinzBar wrote:
-
- "It seems most FB pilots in the US are arcade
- flyers."
-
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-
- Haha.
-
- It's a game.
-
- Yes, the one you play also.
-
-


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:31 PM
Encouraging US flyers to join a tournament by insulting them is a very odd tactic to take.

If that's the prevailing attitude towards Americans in the tourney - that we're all "arcade players" that aren't serious, I wouldn't join that tourney on a bet.

Thanks for giving me yet another prejudice against something!

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:33 PM
In Forgotten Wars, a FR online war, the numbers are the other way around. The NA timezones get missions easily, while in Europe we are sorely lacking pilots.

If you fly Axis planes in Euro timezone, come and check out Forgotten Wars.

http://forgottenwars.dyndns.org/Main.aspx

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:35 PM
Brazil has only 50 registered players? Mmmm..

Should have been more...

But anyways, good to know that we're not included in the north american statistics.



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:40 PM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Encouraging US flyers to join a tournament by
- insulting them is a very odd tactic to take.
-
- If that's the prevailing attitude towards Americans
- in the tourney - that we're all "arcade players"
- that aren't serious, I wouldn't join that tourney on
- a bet.
-
- Thanks for giving me yet another prejudice against
- something!


Just curious: Where's the insult? I tried to look for, but couldn't really find it ... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:46 PM
Oh come on ya all. Back off...
HB this is the most touchy subject right after FM/DM lol, don`t be surprized with reaction. Apparently almost everybody flies FR in HL... But for some strange reason only 10% of the servers have cockpit on...aaaand truly FR servers have 2-3...or maybe none...except Aviars, which is very popular...and that is on the good day. And this applies to both...fliers from europe and usa.

V!

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:47 PM
Being called an arcade fyler, is always an insult. Not hard to find it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:54 PM
But the original poster is an american himself, or do I miss something?

So how can a simple generalization, done by an american, insult americans?

Sounds strange to me.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:01 PM
leonid05

That makes no sense. You never get insulted by someone from your country?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:06 PM
Hmmmm...


If a german would say, all germans are cheaters, I`d call him an idiot, but I wouldn`t feel insulted...


Anyway, you might have a point here...

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:06 PM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Encouraging US flyers to join a tournament by
- insulting them is a very odd tactic to take.
-
- If that's the prevailing attitude towards Americans
- in the tourney - that we're all "arcade players"
- that aren't serious, I wouldn't join that tourney on
- a bet.
-
- Thanks for giving me yet another prejudice against
- something!
-
-

S!,
Where in my post did I insult anyone? This isn't meant to be an insult against anyone!! Hell, I'm an American and I just wanted others in the states to take up the challenge to fly FR in order to participate in VOW, VEF2, or IS. What is there to be prejudice about?

ONce again, I'm just using some simple stats to indicate an apparent situation found in VOW. Time difference shouldn't matter if there were more US based teams/pilots. However, I agree to the idea that US pilots flying for relatively unknown VVS groups could be the problem. This shouldn't be a problem though. There are some groups out there that fly USAAF colors while in HL, yet they do not particpate in VOW, VEF2, or IS. There are no rules found in any of the online competitions limiting the squadrons which can participate. These same groups, I'm willing to bet, would participate if the settings were less than FR.

BTW, Why is it that this community is so deperately looking for a target to flame?


PS. Thx Ivan. I think I unintentially stepped into a hornet's nest. I guess it's my wording; How did the term 'Arcade' become derogatory and an insult?

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Message Edited on 06/16/0306:13PM by HeinzBar

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:12 PM
Rageman wrote:
- Cardinal are you refering to slush's response?

No, the original post. There is no data to support his claim about the US players being in to arcade flying.

People choose not to fly VOW for a number of reasons, I am registered but do not fly it because: 1. There is no PL (not to start a PL debate but it should be turned on for FR options) 2. When I have tried to fly VOW, it consisted of sitting around in HL waiting for a host, then having a host show up and jump rooms for some unknown reason. I do not want to sit around for an hour to fly a mission.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:13 PM
HeinzBar

You could have left out the arcade part, and just asked why more US pilots don't fly in the wars. See the difference?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:17 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Oh come on ya all. Back off...
- HB this is the most touchy subject right after FM/DM
- lol, don`t be surprized with reaction. Apparently
- almost everybody flies FR in HL... But for some
- strange reason only 10% of the servers have cockpit
- on...aaaand truly FR servers have 2-3...or maybe
- none...except Aviars, which is very popular...and
- that is on the good day. And this applies to
- both...fliers from europe and usa.

Av's server is one of the best.

I do not understand why people disable PL but allow ext and/or no pit view.

Truly one of the more baffling HL anomalies.


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06-16-2003, 06:18 PM
Heh,Yanks were always n00bs./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:19 PM
Cardinal nailed it... this is the main reason i dont participate in any competitions. You spend 1 hr to get the dam thing going...then another 30 min sitting on the runway...and etc etc... i simply don`t have time...and even if i do... still don`t want to waste it like that.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:21 PM
I have no problem whatsoever with full real. I actually prefer it. The rest of the Pigs are also being won over. Our current scripted servers are a transition to full real. They only have limited friendly icons, and the cockpit is locked. No WonderWoman view here.

The reasons for not competeing in one of the online wars vary, but for me it is a simple time issue. And I like to switch aircraft types from time to time. I don't want to be stuck on one side or the other.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:28 PM
Cardinal25 wrote:
- Rageman wrote:
-- Cardinal are you refering to slush's response?
-
- No, the original post. There is no data to support
- his claim about the US players being in to arcade
- flying.

S!,
This is true. Not to go tit-for-tat, but I don't see any evidence to disprove my simple hypothesis either.
However, if you use VOW or VEF2 reference, one can see the lack of participation on the part of US based pilots. And since each of these competitions use FR (speedbar on ), one can see that the European community participates more in these FR competitions. Using the VOW stats, I'd say 5x more Europeans fly full real than US pilots.

This is a simple observation, nothing more. As limited as the numbers are, they don't lie.

WR,
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:34 PM
I'll ask this again, because you seem to be ignoring it. How many overall online US pilots, compared to European pilots?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:40 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I'll ask this again, because you seem to be ignoring
- it. How many overall online US pilots, compared to
- European pilots?
-

S!,
I don't have any numbers for this question. We could inquire Jiri of HL fame or goto UBI soft to get an answer I suppose. I wasn't ignoring it Buzz, I didn't have an answer for it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:46 PM
RE all this "arcade pilot" stuff:

Why should you be insulted that someone insinuates you dont fly FR? I have never flown FR, yet I still enjoy the game and believe my experience is as valid as the next persons. (Unless it regards something specifically related to an option: you wouldnt want my advice on CEM because I dont use it and so on)
I think ppl take the realism issue too seriously sometimes. Im not pointing fingers here, but some FR flyers (or "simmers") seem to think they are better pilots than the non-FR crowd. This is stupid. I respect those ppl who want to be as close as possible to the real thing, but they should also respect those of us who just wann shoot stuff up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:51 PM
Taxi,

I'm guessing the better pilots fly in the online wars.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:52 PM
S!,
hehehe, thank you for injecting some humor into this thread. Unfortunately, I'm not a wordsmith and my words were twisted to some extent. It was just curiousity on my part which got this thing started. I especially like the 'just wanna shoot stuff up' /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WR,
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BombTaxi wrote:
- RE all this "arcade pilot" stuff:
-
- Why should you be insulted that someone insinuates
- you dont fly FR? I have never flown FR, yet I still
- enjoy the game and believe my experience is as valid
- as the next persons. (Unless it regards something
- specifically related to an option: you wouldnt want
- my advice on CEM because I dont use it and so on)
- I think ppl take the realism issue too seriously
- sometimes. Im not pointing fingers here, but some FR
- flyers (or "simmers") seem to think they are better
- pilots than the non-FR crowd. This is stupid. I
- respect those ppl who want to be as close as
- possible to the real thing, but they should also
- respect those of us who just wann shoot stuff up




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Message Edited on 06/16/0306:53PM by HeinzBar

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:55 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Taxi,
-
- I'm guessing the better pilots fly in the online
- wars.
-
-
- Da Buzz
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I thought as much myself. I just find the "arcade-whining" a bit puzzling sometimes.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:57 PM
STOP

PAY TROLL

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:00 PM
I'm with CrazyIvan on this. People get really touchy when it comes to this issue of FR. Nowadays what constitutes FR is a little hazy. You'd think it would be everything checked, but it isn't always thought of that way. And that's why people get a little sensitive.

For some having PL, speedbar, mini-map path all on but have all other aspects FR is for them Full Real (these would do it for me except I don't use PL). They don't concider these to be "arcade" features. Others would opt for even more features turned on and call that FR.

Av's server was mentioned. It's one of my faves, but even he's opted for limited friendly icons. And while I wouldn't concider that "Full" FR, it's still one of the toughest servers to hold your own in.

Personally, I'm just getting into VOW and so far like it very much (and, yes, I'm American). Maybe us Yanks need a little more time to warm up to these types of scenarios.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:05 PM
HeinzBar wrote:
- S!,
- This is true. Not to go tit-for-tat, but I don't see
- any evidence to disprove my simple hypothesis
- either.

That is a fatally flawed argument. It fits in well with all the "won the war" threads.

- However, if you use VOW or VEF2 reference, one can
- see the lack of participation on the part of US
- based pilots. And since each of these competitions
- use FR (speedbar on ), one can see that the European
- community participates more in these FR
- competitions. Using the VOW stats, I'd say 5x more
- Europeans fly full real than US pilots.

You are looking at a very specific group of people in a particular time zone. In order to manipulate a set of data you have to logically support it. Making blanket statements (US Pilots prefer arcade settings) based on data that is taken from this narrow a scope isn't going to work with this crowd. Had you stuck with "More Euro's fly VOW", and then given us the numbers no argument could be made.

- This is a simple observation, nothing more. As
- limited as the numbers are, they don't lie.

Numbers can be made to say whatever you want them to say, take a basic statistics class and you will see what I mean.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:07 PM
hmm...i think you are right...it is like in the ww2...the germans have the better pilots and planes ;-))))

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:09 PM
And still lost..;D

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:11 PM
FR is a misnomer.

The desription would be better if called Full Difficulty.




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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:11 PM
Watch it...Huck and Chimp are gonna be in here any minute quoting NACA reports at each other till this gets locked! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:13 PM
Difficulty setting threads always turn to crap.

Let all have a peach, and move on.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:36 PM
S!,
Once again Cardinal, I stated that it was a simple observation based on the VOW numbers. It was a simple hypothesis based on the same. The time zone issue would just support the hypothesis.

Listen, I'm not trying to convince you or convert 'this crowd' into believing one thing or another. It's just an observation and comment. It may be wrong, but then again, it may be right. Fatally flawed...perhaps, but hypothesis will remain until proven wrong. A hypothesis is just theory to account for an unanswered question..nothing more.

JV44HB

PS, I'm sure we all know about the basic 110 stats classes. Hasn't every student taken one of these classes before? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Buzz, please pass me a peach /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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Message Edited on 06/16/0307:37PM by HeinzBar

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:38 PM
I have enough obsessions.

I don't need anymore.

As well, I can fly at any difficulty I choose. I don't need the VOW to make that decision for me.

Nor do I have the desire to hang out with other pilots that can't seem to distinguish fantasy from reality, and are into shaming everybody around them into feeling guilty if they don't do everything their way.



Message Edited on 06/16/0302:41PM by James_Gang

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:39 PM
I agree, Buzz. Let's start with this one:

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:43 PM
This one is for Buzz...

Movin to the country, gonna eat alot of peaches,
Movin to the country, gonna eat alot of peaches,

Peaches come from a can,
they were put there by a man
in a factory downtown.
If I had my little way,
I'd eat peaches every day,
sun-soakin bulges in the shade...

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:01 PM
Taxi, too late. I already quoted that great PUSA-song for him.

And I'm glad that it's brought to everyones attention that Americans can't fly Full Difficulty. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What's that expression? Each to his own?

I fly so called FR now. Reason I moved to them settings are cause I wanted to try it out as many of my friends were flying it.
I hated it in the beginning. Can't see when the plane in front of me are takin off unless I turn my plane. It took me a month to get something worthy of calling Situation Awareness. Before that I was chasing black dots. If I managed to get on a dots six it usually turned out to be a friendly.
Now I'm struggeling with navigation. It's hard but fun.

I'm currently in VOW. It's an interesting concept. The website is friggin awesome.
As soon as a mission is done the host upload the stats and you can see the results on the website immediately.
And you can see EVERYTHING.
A very great website.

Reason VOW is good for me is because we got a list of close to 190 hosts and alot of players.
This gives that I can jump into a VOW mission at almost anytime.
I have to wait average 10 from the time I decide to go for a VOW mission till I'm airborne.

I prefer Forgotten Wars before VOW but like Waster said there ain't enough EU pilots.

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06-16-2003, 08:03 PM
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Glad to see everybody sees the humor in peaches. How can you be angry, and eat a peach at the same time?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:06 PM
Right on, James.

People - it is summertime. Go outside. Enjoy the sun, the breeze, the whole deal. Take a hike. Go fishing. Watch a ball game. Take a drive. Get away from the computer.

Experience relativity - that, relative to all I have just mentioned, Full Real or Not does not matter.

It is a game. It is not an extension of manhood, of "flying skill", or anything like that. A video game. Pong Evolved.

Relax, people, have fun.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:10 PM
I always take peaches when I go fishing.

Hmmmm..fishing sounds good. I live one mile from the lake.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:15 PM
"How can you be angry, and eat a peach at the same time?"

Plus, the pits make great ammo for a wrist rocket./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I dropped a squirrel at about 40' with a peach pit once. I usually don't varmint hunt, but this little bastage was pulling all of the stuffing out of my wife's backyard furniture and I figured I better do something about it.

He was on top of the back of the chair, yanking out the stuffing for a nest I'm sure, and I loaded up the pit, yanked back, took a deep breath, aimed and dropped that sucker where he stood with a shot that just went *THUNK!* as it caromed off his noggin, lol.

I usually use ball bearings or marbles for ammo, but I had eaten a couple of peaches that day and figured I'd load the pits up and watch them fly./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:19 PM
All of the peach is usefull.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:25 PM
Another hijack attempt by the Peaches Liberty Front.

I just can't silently watch it happen so...AMERICANS DON'T FLY FULL REAL!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:32 PM
You don't have to yell Ven. Have a peach and calm down.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:36 PM
And thanks a heap for sending the best and brightest to start the party!!!

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ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2003, 08:43 PM
S! Heinzbar.

I was an avid competitor in Janes ww2 aow - these days however - I lack the time it takes to not only fly competitively - but to maintain my chops. While I definitely prefer full cockpit I spend enough time staring at computer screens that eyestrain is a real factor - particularly in full real - so I like padlock and icons.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:48 PM
USA vs Europa? What?! - is there a war now?

S!

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 10:13 PM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- S! Heinzbar.
-
- I was an avid competitor in Janes ww2 aow - these
- days however - I lack the time it takes to not only
- fly competitively - but to maintain my chops. While
- I definitely prefer full cockpit I spend enough time
- staring at computer screens that eyestrain is a real
- factor - particularly in full real - so I like
- padlock and icons.
-

S! Nazgul,
We sure did have a fun time in Jane's /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I miss the old school squads from Jane's. I remember those days when everyone wished the cockpits were off and the silly picture in picture view was turned off during AOW. I guess I wonder why those same old squads don't participate in the current crop of ladders. The full real settings are all the settings we screamed for back in the day.

Catch!! Have a peach w/ me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:47 PM
Europeans are more nationalistic and interested in their own history than Americans, generally speaking, Any game with that stirs fond recollections of a European countries' glory days when Bob the Farmer faught off hundreds of barbarians and saved the castle with only a mop and his four daughters is going to be popular.

A good example of this phenomenom are the Age of Kings games and the many clones based loosely upon them like Cossacks and Sudden Strike; all much more popular in Europe than America.

Unfortunately Americans are not terribly interested in our own history as a whole, partly because past the Civil War its pretty boring. Of course there are lots of exceptions and recent movies like Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List have reawakened some patriotic rumblings. But we just aren't as fixated on our past as Europeans tend to be.

This is basically why, imo Forgotten Battles is more popular in Europe than US (and why more are registered from Europe, you see).

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 12:48 AM
Howdy HB,

I might be off base here but I'd have to think that with this being an Eastern front sim the guys who live on that front are bound to take it a little more serious than most of us yanks and lean towards as real as they can get it; even if it means sitting around in a lobby for 30 minutes, then flying around for another 45 without taking a shot.

I'm with the fella who likes to see something blow up from time to time, lol.

How many Russian pilots do we see flying German planes and visa-versa?

As far as numbers that fly VOW and VEF go; I would think the great majority of FB pilots are European. It just stands to reason. It also stands to reason a Russian would much prefer to virtually shoot a German airplane down, visa-versa and VEF and VOW cater exactly to that.

I'm not nearly that selective. My mates know if things are slow they might not want to fly in front.

As stated somewhere above arcade seems to get a rise out of folks, lol; arcade compared to full real implies easy to hard. My mates and I fly both ways and I think it's actually the other way around. Not bragging but within 3 weeks or so of us joining VEF in IL-2 we had 3 pilots that had made it to the top 10. The reason we fly full real competitions isn't for the challenge but more for change of pace and to tell the truth I'd be bored to tears if that's the only way we flew.

That being said I wish we could get more VEF matches going. From what I've seen of both competitions VOW has been way too laggy. Hopefully that will be corrected.




Message Edited on 06/16/0306:52PM by Wood_663rd

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:06 AM
Cardinal25 wrote:
-
- I do not understand why people disable PL but allow
- ext and/or no pit view.
-
- Truly one of the more baffling HL anomalies.


Externals aer on to view the pretty skins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The concern with padlock is that it works as an autotargeter locking on to the bandits and putting a little green triangle around them.



Message Edited on 06/17/0312:08AM by WTE_Galway

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:45 AM
Hmmmm mabey it's because Full real is .... well Full BORING!
+ it's awful hard to enjoy the beautifull landscapes in FB while being stuck in the cockpit./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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06-17-2003, 01:58 AM
Try looking out the window../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 02:03 AM
Copperhead310th wrote:
- Hmmmm mabey it's because Full real is .... well Full
- BORING!
- + it's awful hard to enjoy the beautifull landscapes
- in FB while being stuck in the cockpit.
-
-

It's really hard to enjoy the beautifull cockpits if you fly in Wonder Woman view /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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06-17-2003, 02:13 AM
Demolisher_ wrote:

"It's really hard to enjoy the beautifull cockpits if you fly in Wonder Woman view"

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That's exactly why I don't need the VOW/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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06-17-2003, 02:16 AM
Here's my Azz. Kiss it!

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Bearcat99 said: "I sure hope a lot of us have to eat fun and suck enjoyment when this patch comes out because the way some are acting is hilarious.."


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 02:18 AM
I will take you up on that and try full real settings. I don't really understand all this touchiness from people on these threads.

I've heard it said though that the icons for planes actually offset the visibility deficiencies that are apparent in a video game and I tend to agree with the ok on use of icons. I believe it was Oleg who mentioned this many moons ago.


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 02:23 AM
Copperhead310th wrote:
- Here's my Azz. Kiss it!
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 02:56 AM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Call the coppers! (Or Ven will do /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

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