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Breeze147
03-21-2007, 07:02 AM
I have never seen this discussed on this forum. WWII pilots from all sides reported strange lights keeping pace with their aircraft. The Americans (or maybe the British) called them "Foo Fighters".

What do you guys know about this?

(BTW, the modern day Foo Fighters of Dave Grohl are one of my favorite bands. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 07:22 AM
They were UFO's and yes they are real because my father and I once saw one flying at a couple of hundred feet above out town making not a sound with flashing lights and flying at walking speed. If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

Zonama
03-21-2007, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
I have never seen this discussed on this forum. WWII pilots from all sides reported strange lights keeping pace with their aircraft. The Americans (or maybe the British) called them "Foo Fighters".

What do you guys know about this?


Maybe not a foo fighter strictly speaking, but you might find this interesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_air_raid)


Originally posted by Breeze147:
(BTW, the modern day Foo Fighters of Dave Grohl are one of my favorite bands. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

(me too, really great live http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Warrington_Wolf
03-21-2007, 11:46 AM
Have any of you ever seen Taken it was a series that was produced by Steven Spielberg, the beginning had a brilliant sequence where a flight of B-17s are being attacked by ME-109s. As they are fighting, these weird light show up.
I won't mention what happens after that because some of you may not have seen it, but I really recommend it. Even my Lab Manager who says "UFOs only appear to hillbillies, thick people and drunks" loved the series.
If a higher intelligence wanted to view our race and fly through the skies in their craft (be it Saucer, Triangle, Cigar shaped object or Lerche) then doing it during World War 2 wouldn't have been such a bad idea. Even if their craft was seen by humans how many would think it was an alien craft, people would say that it is probably enemy activity, report it and not think any more of it.
That may explain why both allied and axis pilots sighted them, I have seen a picture somewhere of some Japanese aircraft with odd lights near them.
One point that I have often thought of (and thought of more after watching Taken) is if a plane and pilot was "abducted" during a night sortie, the loss would most likely just be reported as lost due to enemy action.
I'm not saying that pilots were abducted or anything like that, I'm just thinking how that scenario would play out during wartime.

P.S. I too think that the Foo Fighters are a great band

general_kalle
03-21-2007, 11:49 AM
theres more between earth and sky. or perhaps i should say outer space http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
03-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
So in the absence of evidence we should believe it to be true?

Whirlin_merlin
03-21-2007, 01:57 PM
Rememebr the U stands for Unidentified, so if anyone knows what they are please call them IFUs.

Warrington_Wolf
03-21-2007, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
So in the absence of evidence we should believe it to be true? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that Breeze147 may have worded it wrong. I think that he means don't instantly dismiss Foo Fighters as a load of bollocks, and don't write comments of ridicule.
One of the main problems in Ufology is the attitudes of people who mock the subject without ever looking at the evidence http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.
I reckon that most people here will have an open mind about UFOs, I've found that people that have an interest in aviation are more open minded (and a lot more knowledgeable in aircraft identification, weather phenomena and other relevent areas).

P.S. if you see a cigar shaped object in the sky it isn't E.T, it is just another Lerche http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif.

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
So in the absence of evidence we should believe it to be true? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well the next day many many people had reported seeing the very same thing as we had. Even with photos you would probably say they were fake or " swamp gas" What amazes me is that people actually think given the billions of star and planets in the universe that we are the only intelligent life form out there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MB_Avro_UK
03-21-2007, 03:17 PM
Hi all,

Good thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

My father was a Captain with British Airways and a fellow crew spotted on radar four objects ahead on their radar over the North Sea. They reported immediatly their contacts to ATC.

Their was no confirmation from ATC and the radar contacts could not be seen by the flight crew as they approached.

Radar probs maybe???

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

XyZspineZyX
03-21-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
So in the absence of evidence we should believe it to be true? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well the next day many many people had reported seeing the very same thing as we had. Even with photos you would probably say they were fake or " swamp gas" What amazes me is that people actually think given the billions of star and planets in the universe that we are the only intelligent life form out there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You are making up Megile's side of the discussion!

He never commented on the lack of or abundance of intelligent life outside the planet, he commented on your inisitance that no-one could be skeptical unless they had experienced this.

The problem with what you said is that if somebody experienced this, by default they are no longer a skeptic. if they saw it, and beleived it, then they cannot be a skeptic. So your argument basically is : "I'm right and don't dare question it" when you put it forth in the terms you've chosen

I have seen UFOs. I don't think they were little green men or Greys, or Big Rigs from OuterSpace stopping off at Truckstop Earth (Mojo fans, you know who you are!).

I think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Anyway, it's not what you say in this case, it's how you say it. It's the same argument as often is seen here: "Well if you never flew a plane, don;t comment on how they fly". Hmmm. I know aeronautica; engineers and A&P mechanics who never flew a plane, but by this argument, they know nothing about aircraft.

An interesting subject on Foo Fighters though. It's very curious this comes up so close to my campaign release

To my knowledge, Foo Fighters comes from a basis in Chinese mythology:

Foo Dogs (http://www.asianartmall.com/foodogarticle.htm)

There are those who beleive it comes from a derogatory word for japanese fighter pilots in WWII, which I refute

In all seriousness, it's probably ball lightning or a type of St Elmo's fire, coming from aircraft aerials

Or, it could just be these guys:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/bmfootos2.jpg

But very coincidental this was just brought up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 03:48 PM
Not going to get into a samantics fight. I'll leave that to **** Cheney, Tony Snow and the president.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif There is so much evidence by reputable sources that ufo's are real besides me and my father's sighting which BTW was a DOOZY that there should hardly be an argument. What I get sick of is people who try to tell me what I saw. These people just happen to be the exact same ones that never saw a ufo for themselves. I was a sceptic too until that happened.

XyZspineZyX
03-21-2007, 03:54 PM
Nobody is telling you what you saw

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 04:40 PM
think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand

No "automatc assumptions" here bub. When one sees an object making no noise whatsoever with flashing lights that aren't aviation lights and it is practically hovering over one's head it is very hard to concluded it is an aircraft from this world. My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air.

What do you believe it was since your the expert here? "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Skarphol
03-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Ok, this is somewhat off topic, but not off this boards...

You must admit that Foo Fighters very good song 'Learning to Fly' has a very cool and funny video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdX-RX5IHAU

Skarphol

JSG72
03-21-2007, 04:56 PM
Anyone? Read "The Hunt for Zero Point" By Nick Cook (Aviation Contributer for Janes World Aircraft).

You would have to read it and put 2+2 together.

Basically. The way I see it is It's All mankinds doing.

What with No evidence Whatsoever of Intelligent Life in Outer Space.
And with much recent Experimentations with Anti-Gravity. which leads to Time Travel (According to Einstein?).

Go Figure! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F0_Dark_P
03-21-2007, 04:56 PM
I dont bash on anyone i just give a thought..

Remember it was not so long ago that we started exploring our world, it is just 500 years ago "we" found america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

we truly know so little about this world, belive me we have just scratched the surface

Copperhead310th
03-21-2007, 06:48 PM
This has actually come up a couple of times here in the past. So it has been discussed.
I read an artical on it quite some time ago.
I forget where. But here's an intersting fact.
The Term Foo Fighters was drived from a 1930's era comic. The airmen dubed them foo fighters after a charecter in the comic named Foo.

Fox_3
03-21-2007, 06:53 PM
Either because of the famous line from the popular Smokey Stover cartoon strip, 'Where there's foo,there's fire', or simpley because the French word for fire is feu, these eerie weapons soon became widely known as 'foo fighters'. Official 'foo fighter' reports were submitted by pilots Henry Giblin and Walter Cleary, who stated that on the night of 27/09/44, they had been harrassed by 'an enormous burning light' that was flying above their aircraft at about 250mph; another report from Lt Edward Schulter, a pilot of the 415th Night Fighter squadron based at Dijon, France, who, on the night of 23/11/44, was harrassed over the Rhine by 'ten small reddish balls of fire' flying in formation at immense speed. Further sightings were made by members of the same Squadron on 27/11, 22/12, and 24/12.

In a report published in the New York Times on 2/1/45, Lt Donald Meiers claimed that there were three types of foo fighter; red balls of fire that appeared off the aircraft's wingtips, other balls of fire that flew in front of them, and lights which appear in the distance - like a xmas tree in the air - that flicker on and off. Meiers also confirmed that the foo fighters climbed, descended or turned when the aircraft did so. The foo fighters were witnessed both at night and by day, yet even when pacing the allied aircraft they did not show up on radar screens.

A classified project had actually been established in England in 1943 under the direction of Lt General Massey, to examine a pate of UFO reports submitted by British, French and US aircrews flying bombing missions over occupied France and Nazi Germany. While no official designation of the foo fighters was offered, most reports indicated they were 'balls of fire' which flew in parallel formation with Allied aircraft, often pacing them for great distances, at speeds exceeding 300mph, and frequently causing their engines to malfunction and cut in and out. While a few reports of crashing Allied aircraft suggest that foo fighters caused the crashes by making the aircraft's engines cut out completely, most reports indicate this was unlikely, and that the foo fighters merely tailed the planes and caused the crews psychological harm, rather than physical damage. They also flew away when fired upon.

At first it was assumed that the 'balls of fire' were static electricity charges, but the mounting body of evidence made it clear they were under some kind of control and certainly were not natural phenomena. Indeed, according to a London Daily Telegraph report of 2/1/45, RAF pilots were describing them as 'strange orange lights which followed their planes, sometimes flying in formation with them, and eventually peeling off and climbing'. This soon led to speculation that they were Nazi secret weapons, radio controlled from the ground, and designed either to foul the ignition systems of the bombers or act as psychological weapons which confused and unnerved the Allied pilots. Finally unable to solve the mystery, both the RAF and the US 8th Army Airforce concluded that they were the products of 'mass hallucination' and subsequently did no more about them. Sightings of the foo fighters tailed off and ceased completely a few weeks before the end of the war.

From Projekt UFO. The case for man-made flying saucers by W A Harbinson.

XyZspineZyX
03-21-2007, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand

No "automatc assumptions" here bub. When one sees an object making no noise whatsoever with flashing lights that aren't aviation lights and it is practically hovering over one's head it is very hard to concluded it is an aircraft from this world. My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air.

What do you believe it was since your the expert here? "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh brother. When I mentioned Sabrina the teenage witch, I was talking about what I saw, you dolt, not what YOU saw. You can tell where I stop talking about YOU and start talking about ME very easily, by my use of the pronoun "I", and the lack of the pronoun "you". When I talk about ME, I use "I". Get it? Wonderful.

You've got a chip on your shoulder and we are all very impressed by how agitated you get if people don't agree with you. It's a very cool thing. Now go pick a fight with somebody else

LStarosta
03-21-2007, 07:15 PM
I saw a UFO today.



I couldn't identify it, but it might have been a Mooney.

ImpStarDuece
03-21-2007, 08:23 PM
I've seen a UFO once, or something close enough like it, what is commonly called a "min min light".

It was in 1996 and I was fishing in Jindabyne with my father at the lake, just up from the dam wall.

It was late Summer, about 5.30 in the morning, so everything was grey/predawn light.

I was fishing an old tree stump on one side of a muddy spit of land and my dad was doing something similar on the other side, about 100m away.

Something caught my eye and I looked up and saw a light on the highway a couple of kilometers away. It looked like a truck with its high beams on, following the curve of the land and it then it disappeared as the road went down past a hill.

As it came out past the hill, I realised it wasn't a truck. It was a white/yellow light source, cruising along the road maybe 2m off the ground, making absolutely no noise and travelling quite slowly, much slower than a car would of on the highway, probably less than 40 kph.

It followed the highway down a hill and through a serise of curves before coming to a sweeping right hander before the straight road over the dam wall. Once it got down to the lake level it just hooked a 90 degree turn, went right past my father and myself and cruised out over the lake at about 3 or 4 meters in height. It reached the other side of the lake and kept going, following the ground like it had terrain following radar, maintaining a steady height with the ground.

Weirdest thing was that the thing fluroesced (i.e. it was a bright light) but didn't give off any light of its own. It was pretty dark, but no shadows were thrown as it passed trees, signs ect, there was no illumination as it went through cuttings. It didn't seem to be a light source, just a light. Like staring at the emitter end of a laser without actually intersecting the beam.

StG77_Stuka
03-21-2007, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
Remember it was not so long ago that we started exploring our world, it is just 500 years ago "we" found america


Yes, but that to turned out to be just an illusion.

Snodrvr
03-22-2007, 12:15 AM
I've always wondered about Foo Fighters, as I've seen quite a few things myself that I can't explain.

So many Flight crews say they saw them, It really makes you curious as to if they were otherworldly, just a very clever trick, or some type of phenomenon from static electricity from so many planes being in the air.

If it was just a trick by the Germans, How did they do it? Why did their pilots report seeing the same things? If it wasn't a trick by Man, and was instead something completely natural or otherworldly, Why didn't we try to imitate it?

I mean, It's not like either side really scrambled fighters to investigate these things, We could have lined the leading and trailing edge on the wings of a B-17 with landing lights and colored lights of all sorts, Tinted the Cockpit glass a nice dark color to save the pilot's eyes.

Sure flak would have picked it to pieces, but I think it would have put quite a bit of fear into any pilots or troops in the area.

muchaclopiec
03-22-2007, 12:36 AM
and to think i always thought "Foo Fighter" was a reference to the F4U http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Megile:

quote:
Originally posted by stalkervision:
If you have never seen one don't make sceptic comments..



So in the absence of evidence we should believe it to be true?


well the next day many many people had reported seeing the very same thing as we had. Even with photos you would probably say they were fake or " swamp gas" What amazes me is that people actually think given the billions of star and planets in the universe that we are the only intelligent life form out there.


BBB462cid

" You are making up Megile's side of the discussion!

He never commented on the lack of or abundance of intelligent life outside the planet, he commented on your inisitance that no-one could be skeptical unless they had experienced this.

The problem with what you said is that if somebody experienced this, by default they are no longer a skeptic. if they saw it, and beleived it, then they cannot be a skeptic. So your argument basically is : "I'm right and don't dare question it" when you put it forth in the terms you've chosen"


You do remember saying this don't you third party trouble maker ? Here is where it all started from isn't it with your samantical ravings on about my answer. One would think that any intelligent human life form would understand what I was getting at here without dissecting the parts of speech in an attempt to provoke an argument which was obviously your original purpose wasn't it? Well you succeeded admirably. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif





BBB462cid /Oh brother. When I mentioned Sabrina the teenage witch, I was talking about what I saw, you dolt, not what YOU saw. You can tell where I stop talking about YOU and start talking about ME very easily, by my use of the pronoun "I", and the lack of the pronoun "you". When I talk about ME, I use "I". Get it? Wonderful."


What would be wonderful would be if people such as yourself wouldn't start childish third party samantical arguments about word phrasings the sole purpose of which is to cause trouble. Dolt yes, I agree you are a dolt since apparently we are talking about only your observations and not mine. I don't know if you do or don't believe in spacecraft yet btw do you? All I see is you going into a whole samantical excercise about what the word UFO actually means.

since you love word games like all children do I will ablige you.


BBB462cid "I have seen UFOs. I don't think they were little green men or Greys, or Big Rigs from OuterSpace stopping off at Truckstop Earth (Mojo fans, you know who you are!).

I think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand "


Since you want to talk about "your examples" we will. Apparently you have seen objects in the sky you didn't understand. Also since apparently you didn't get a really good look at them you didn't assume they are out of this world space vehicles. Understandable.

BBB462cid "I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand"

This is the problematical statement. Most normal resonable people would take it that you are "making the suggestion to them" that THEY are making "automatic assumptions" about UFO's since apparently you don't ever do it from the statement you just made here.

In other words it is a direct knock on that person that said they saw a ufo and said they believed it was an other wordly aircraft. They are making rash assumptions without any proof whatsoever. I have already stated the proof but you failed to read that part being wholy involved in your samantical retoric obviously..

1. Aircraft was at aproximatelly 100 to 150 ft but made no noise whatsoever to indicate an aircraft propulsion unit was in operation that we commonly use.

2. Aircraft was flying very slowly at almost a hover. Only helicopters and balloons do this and it was neither...


3. Aircraft exibited strange light pattern of five different color light mounted in a straight line. Obviously not aircraft landing lights..

4. reports of the same 'aircraft" were filed by many people in the newspaper the very next day..


Where is the "automatic assumption" now. You said you never make them so obviously your talking about this poster

BBB462cid "I think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand

Personally I don't believe you ever saw a UFO whatsoever. You wouldn't be so caviliar and rediculious in your statments .." Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


BBB462cid "You've got a chip on your shoulder and we are all very impressed by how agitated you get if people don't agree with you. It's a very cool thing. Now go pick a fight with somebody else"


"Chip on my shoulder" hardly but apparently you do.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Now who is the one making assumptions? You start a fight over silly samantical phrasings and then follow that up with statements about this poster "making automatic assumptions' which is just a plain insult and wonder when you get a negative reaction? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


What is pretty obvious that in all actuality your the one with the chip on his shoulder bub. Obviously you have never ever seen a real UFO in your life whatsoever though apparently you saw a television personality fly once.

No doubt during one of your frequent drinking binges... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M2morris
03-22-2007, 06:31 AM
Check out the movie "Fire in the Sky" after watching that when you see a UFO you will want to hall-*** in the other direction.

MEGILE
03-22-2007, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:


I have seen UFOs. I don't think they were little green men or Greys, or Big Rigs from OuterSpace stopping off at Truckstop Earth (Mojo fans, you know who you are!).

I think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Chuck, that is EXACTLY my opinion on the subject. Agree 100%

I have posted this before... and I'll post it again.
I believe my old Physics teacher summed it up best.

Little green men don't travel a million light years across a vacuum in aerodynamic space craft, to hide behind trees and cut up cows every now and again.

M2morris
03-22-2007, 06:40 AM
No one has mentioned the recent Chicago O'Hare incident, which seems to have been swept away very quickly.

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:


I have seen UFOs. I don't think they were little green men or Greys, or Big Rigs from OuterSpace stopping off at Truckstop Earth (Mojo fans, you know who you are!).

I think they were things in the sky that I could not identify, hence the term itself: Unidentified Flying Object. Could have been Darth Vader, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, or a Frisbee. I don't know. But the thing with me is, I don't automatically assume the least likely scenario when I see something I can't immediately understand http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Chuck, that is EXACTLY my opinion on the subject. Agree 100%

I have posted this before... and I'll post it again.
I believe my old Physics teacher summed it up best.

Little green men don't travel a million light years across a vacuum in aerodynamic space craft, to hide behind trees and cut up cows every now and again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Then your old physics teacher never saw a round object hovering 100 ft in the air with five flashing lights and making no sound. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifPersonally I believe "old physics teachers" opinions are highly over-rated. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 06:53 AM
It must be very reassuring to our leaders in government that all they have to do is deny something is real even though the eyewhitness accounts and evidence is overwhelming and people will actually believe them.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 07:02 AM
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)

mmitch10
03-22-2007, 07:05 AM
Usually when governments deny something is real, it has the effect of making more people believe in it. That probably says more about people's belief in governments than it does about people's belief in UFOs.

Personally, I've never seen one, don't know anyone that has, but try to keep an open mind.

M2morris, what was the Chicago O'Hare incident? I didn't see anything in the UK about this.

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by mmitch10:
Usually when governments deny something is real, it has the effect of making more people believe in it. That probably says more about people's belief in governments than it does about people's belief in UFOs.

Personally, I've never seen one, don't know anyone that has, but try to keep an open mind.

M2morris, what was the Chicago O'Hare incident? I didn't see anything in the UK about this.

I was pretty much a sceptic about ufo's till I actually saw one. Now I wish I hadn't. Does that make sense?

Insuber
03-22-2007, 07:45 AM
My mother grew up in a city battered by bombers during the WWII, she told me that UFO sightings happened frequently at the end of the war. She personally saw a formation of 9 UFO with round shapes high in the sky, alongwith a crowd of people shouting "the flying saucers" and staring at them.

Mass hallucinations or little green men (I tend to exclude Sabrina the teenage witch) I don't know, but it's a fact that these sightings were more frequent in 44-45 and 50's, raising doubts about the existence of secret nazi technology later exploited by the allies.

Still in the field of unexplained events, few here know about the massive ufo sightings, mainly in Florence and Tuscany, of October 1954, always accompanied by the fall of huge quantities of filaments and flakes of what they called "cotton", whose composition was similar to a borosilicate glass (B, Si, Ca and Mg) ... all sort of hypoteses were made, no final explication.

PS: I'm not very original saying that I don't believe in little green men visiting our planet, while I do believe that we're not alone in the universe.



BTW ... There was a similar thread few years ago...gone with the O'Hare forum's server's incident ...

LStarosta
03-22-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by mmitch10:


M2morris, what was the Chicago O'Hare incident? I didn't see anything in the UK about this.

Apparently an extremely large two story flying object attempted a landing there.

AKA_TAGERT
03-22-2007, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
What do you guys know about this?
You would have to be a Foo to fly a napkin!

whiteladder
03-22-2007, 09:36 AM
No "automatc assumptions" here bub. When one sees an object making no noise whatsoever with flashing lights that aren't aviation lights and it is practically hovering over one's head it is very hard to concluded it is an aircraft from this world. My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air


This reminds me of a UFO hoax that we had in the UK many years ago...

There is a famous UFO location on the Sussex downs, were UFO watchers congregate and many supposed sightings have taken place. Unfortunalety for the believers this spot also attracts people intent on hoaxing them.

What is most interesting about these hoaxes is they give an insight into peoples perceptions of UFO`s during sightings, except in this case we know the cause of the sightings.

One classic example is this, the hoaxers in question attached a 5V bulb to a kite and flew it at night near to Warminster. This was sighted by the gathered watchers and some quite extraordinary claims were made, ranging from

"the light was travelling at speeds greater than any aircraft could possibly attain and changed directions in a manner not possible by a human made object"

"they (the aliens presumably) responded to our flashes with a brilliant flash of light"

One person even claimed to have communicated with the alien craft telepathically!!



The perpose of this post is not to ridicule people who have had an UFO experience, just to point out that what we "see" isn`t always what we think or want to think it is.

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by whiteladder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> No "automatc assumptions" here bub. When one sees an object making no noise whatsoever with flashing lights that aren't aviation lights and it is practically hovering over one's head it is very hard to concluded it is an aircraft from this world. My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air


This reminds me of a UFO hoax that we had in the UK many years ago...

There is a famous UFO location on the Sussex downs, were UFO watchers congregate and many supposed sightings have taken place. Unfortunalety for the believers this spot also attracts people intent on hoaxing them.

What is most interesting about these hoaxes is they give an insight into peoples perceptions of UFO`s during sightings, except in this case we know the cause of the sightings.

One classic example is this, the hoaxers in question attached a 5V bulb to a kite and flew it at night near to Warminster. This was sighted by the gathered watchers and some quite extraordinary claims were made, ranging from

"the light was travelling at speeds greater than any aircraft could possibly attain and changed directions in a manner not possible by a human made object"

"they (the aliens presumably) responded to our flashes with a brilliant flash of light"

One person even claimed to have communicated with the alien craft telepathically!!



The perpose of this post is not to ridicule people who have had an UFO experience, just to point out that what we "see" isn`t always what we think or want to think it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I wish it were a kite... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

AKA_TAGERT
03-22-2007, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I wish it were a kite... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Don't let these non-belivers get you down!

They are just not as smart and intune with the world as we are!

On that note I have a bridge for sale in San Fran..

You strike me as someone that may be smart enough to take advantage of this deal!

Please PM me for additional info!

WWSpinDry
03-22-2007, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air.

You make a grandiose, unsupportable and clearly exaggerated comment like this, and we're supposed to take your account of what you claim you saw at face value? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Blutarski2004
03-22-2007, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
It must be very reassuring to our leaders in government that all they have to do is deny something is real even though the eyewhitness accounts and evidence is overwhelming and people will actually believe them.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


..... "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied" - Otto von Bismarck.

cawimmer430
03-22-2007, 11:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.rageboy.com/mbimages/fox-mulder-poster-th-want-to-believe.jpg

Warrington_Wolf
03-22-2007, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by M2morris:
Check out the movie "Fire in the Sky" after watching that when you see a UFO you will want to hall-*** in the other direction.
I've seen that movie, it is a great but it took me 8 months to find it on DVD, in the end I had to stump up 15 for it in HMV.
I remeber going to bed after watching it and having the cack scared out of me by the guy who lives behind my house and his car headlights. The guy worked nights and had his headlights on as he was opening his garage door, when viewed from my room with the curtains shut it looked like a bright light descending from the sky. I have never jumped out of my bed so fast as I grabbed an old cricket bat and peeked out of the window, it was then when I realised what it was that I felt like a complete pillock and so glad that no one was around to see me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif. Let this be a lesson to all, don't let your imagination run away with you.
The only UFO sighting I have ever had was in Lanzarote when I was 11. The UFO looked like a full moon but slightly smaller, but the real moon was next to it. I know that it wasn't Venus because I have seen Venus before. It didn't move at all where as the moon continued to move in the sky. The object was seen for a couple of more days, then it didn't put in an appearance after that.
I still have no idea what it was but I'm keeping an open mind to any explainations.
I also found this article yesterday and thought that it was interesting and relevent to this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_coast_air_raid

and remember Keep watching the skies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

p-11.cAce
03-22-2007, 02:39 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif I read that article as well - interesting stuff.

M2morris
03-22-2007, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by mmitch10:
M2morris, what was the Chicago O'Hare incident? I didn't see anything in the UK about this.

Here it is mmitch10, this was in the news a few months ago, this stuff gives me a little bit of the creeps. When I saw it I said WTF? These are real- credible wittnesses.
http://www.etcontact.net/cases/case958.htm

muchaclopiec
03-22-2007, 05:22 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif im sorry, i shouldnt laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
It must be very reassuring to our leaders in government that all they have to do is deny something is real even though the eyewhitness accounts and evidence is overwhelming and people will actually believe them.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


..... "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied" - Otto von Bismarck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's an excellent quote... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.rageboy.com/mbimages/fox-mulder-poster-th-want-to-believe.jpg

LOL.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'll have my "friends: stop by and visit you some time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif My area is a "hot bed" for alien activity and sightings. Ever heard of the term "alien abduction" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Sergio_101
03-22-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by muchaclopiec:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif im sorry, i shouldnt laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Space Aliens crowd make me laugh hystericaly.

THINK.

Fly for hundreds of light years, over
thousands of years time, just to play
hide and seek. Or move a few rocks?

Every time I see the "Space Aliens" crowd
spew their foolish dribble I think of the
"Twilight Zone" episode "To Serve Man".

Foo fighters were likely a combination
of the intense desire to survive and atmospheric
phenomina.

Finding fighters and bombers was all about survival.
Look long enough and hard enough and you will
start seeing things.

Sergio http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air.

You make a grandiose, unsupportable and clearly exaggerated comment like this, and we're supposed to take your account of what you claim you saw at face value? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

don't if you don't want to. It's no skin off my banana.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

M2morris
03-22-2007, 05:57 PM
You guys can laugh if you want to, but I have serious photographic evidence that indicate alens are among us and are disuised as ordinary animals. For example; this is an alien who, caught red-handed, forgot to engage his bird-butt contrail supressor.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/fartpower.jpg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VW-IceFire
03-22-2007, 06:17 PM
Allot of these reports sound like ball lightning. Which is an oft described and rarely observed type of lightning. Until a few years ago it was dismissed as easily as UFO's...but with the observation of other lightning related phenomena such as "sprites", something that looks like a column of blue flame, and immense bolts of lightning that reach up into the far upper atmosphere there's a softening of the view that ball lightning is also quite possible.

There's also other weird and better observed phenomenon such as St. Elmo's Fire and whatnot. Allot of these I think could be passed as very unusual meteorological phenomena ...which is equally as fascinating to me.

Stranger stuff happens than we know...thats all I'm certain of.

Sergio_101
03-22-2007, 06:30 PM
I have seen St. Elmo's Fire on the tips of
a WC-130 at night over Wake Island.

It came and went for a bit, looked VERY strange.

Sergio

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 06:36 PM
http://www.lightsoverphoenix.com/


http://ufos.about.com/od/visualproofphotosvideo/ig/Best...hotographs/index.htm (http://ufos.about.com/od/visualproofphotosvideo/ig/Best-UFO-Photographs/index.htm)

Snow_Wolf_
03-22-2007, 06:56 PM
well when you got these guys flying planes of cause they will call it foo fighters http://perso.orange.fr/ckb/images/learntofly1.jpg


On a side note when you got planes like these
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg

muchaclopiec
03-22-2007, 07:05 PM
People have always wanted some mystery in their lives. It could be from the mystery inherent in religion, or from a belief in various conspiracy theories from JFK to Princess Diana to the Roswell "cover up" to the Loch Ness monster ( i know Nessie exists, i married her http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif) .
For some reason that i dont know we have a mistrust in the rational , we want to believe that there is more than what we can see or easily explain.
So more power to those who believe in Ufos, your part of a humanity that doesnt want life whittled down to a few cosy little answers.

Oh, and my real name is Dlattharg from the planet Eeooourruuytyghhg, and i have come for your children http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Breeze147
03-23-2007, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muchaclopiec:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif im sorry, i shouldnt laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Space Aliens crowd make me laugh hystericaly.

THINK.

Fly for hundreds of light years, over
thousands of years time, just to play
hide and seek. Or move a few rocks?

Every time I see the "Space Aliens" crowd
spew their foolish dribble I think of the
"Twilight Zone" episode "To Serve Man".

Foo fighters were likely a combination
of the intense desire to survive and atmospheric
phenomina.

Finding fighters and bombers was all about survival.
Look long enough and hard enough and you will
start seeing things.

Sergio http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, NASA spent several billion dollars to go collect a few rocks.

WWSpinDry
03-23-2007, 07:51 AM
http://www.livescience.com/othernews/070209_phoenix_lights.html

weaselwagon1
03-23-2007, 07:53 AM
After visiting relatives in the Poconos mountain area of Pennsylvania,I was heading home on a road that is particulary empty after dark when i observed a pale yellowish light that was moving a few feet above the tree line at the edge of a empty corn field approx.100 yards away.I stopped the car to have a better look and saw that it was dim and just a little bit larger than a watermelon.This thing was moving along the tops of the trees slowly and silently,no more than 5-10 mph in a random manner seemingly repeating its random pattern over a small area and always at the same height.After approx 1 minute, it was joined by a similar object from out of my field of view which was obscured by trees.The 2nd thing approached the 1st in a straight line at the same slow speed,and after a few seconds of acting the same as the 1st,they both descended below the level of the trees out of sight,where I decided it was time to get home.No I dont believe in Flying saucers,and dont want any "mystery" in my life,i dont drink either...

Monterey13
03-23-2007, 08:12 AM
I believe in other intelligent life out there. The Universe is too huge for us to be the only ones, and to think otherwise, in my mind would be egotistical. I cannot say anything for sure about UFO's, because I have never actually seen one.

Stalkervision said:

"My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air."


You can believe that if you want, but I am 100% positive that you haven't seen "everything". I can't go into details, but you ARE wrong on that.

AKA_TAGERT
03-23-2007, 08:18 AM
So what you saying is Area 51 is only half as cool as Area 102?

horseback
03-23-2007, 08:42 AM
AFAIK, modern science seems to dismiss the possibility of greater than lightspeed travel, and it seems unlikely that anyone is crossing the galaxy in a 'generation ship' to see if anyone else is out there. What would be the point? Do they want to borrow a cup of Soylent Green?

On the other hand, if the mathematical estimates of the likelihood of other intelligent beings being out there is correct, it is not too far fetched to think that one or two of them might have advanced beyond our level and figured out a way around the lightspeed limit.

Now why they'd want to come here is the big question...it is like leaving the freeway in the LA area to find a gas station and finding yourself in the wrong neighborhood, if you know what I mean.

cheers

horseback

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
I believe in other intelligent life out there. The Universe is too huge for us to be the only ones, and to think otherwise, in my mind would be egotistical. I cannot say anything for sure about UFO's, because I have never actually seen one.

Stalkervision said:

"My father and I are aviation fans and have seen everything that is manmade and flies in the air."


You can believe that if you want, but I am 100% positive that you haven't seen "everything". I can't go into details, but you ARE wrong on that.


Oh I an sure the military has a few secret projects going but I truly don't believe this was one of them.

also I read Aviation Week and Space technology.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

They know all the poop on everything the military is building. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

flyingloon
03-23-2007, 10:07 AM
yeah. secret military tech, published in magazines. very secret. uh huh. of course they are going to leave this stuff lying around to be phoptographed. yep.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 10:11 AM
"They know all the poop on everything the military is building. "


err, well no they don't actually. They are more or less 'trade mags' in part of the business I work in. I've made stuff for aircraft that has never ever appeared in those mags

"The Military" typically doesn't build much in most instances, they contract. For instance, "the Navy" doesn't build planes. They use approved contractors. My company is actually one of them; I've been quality inspector on things that go on F/A 18s. Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

It's a question of scale. In order for those magazines to know "everything" the military is doing in aerospace, it would be the size of a local phone book, and be a twice-weekly publication

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by flyingloon:
yeah. secret military tech, published in magazines. very secret. uh huh. of course they are going to leave this stuff lying around to be phoptographed. yep.


In point of fact Aviation Week has gotten into trouble many many times for releasing secret govenment info they shouldn't have.

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
"They know all the poop on everything the military is building. "


err, well no they don't actually. They are more or less 'trade mags' in part of the business I work in. I've made stuff for aircraft that has never ever appeared in those mags

"The Military" typically doesn't build much in most instances, they contract. For instance, "the Navy" doesn't build planes. They use approved contractors. My company is actually one of them; I've been quality inspector on things that go on F/A 18s. Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

It's a question of scale. In order for those magazines to know "everything" the military is doing in aerospace, it would be the size of a local phone book, and be a twice-weekly publication

There is actually a "magazine/book" just like your describing out there. Costs an arm and a leg to recieve it..

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:36 AM
Aviation Week covers the "high lights" of the most secret government research. There are some publications that apparently go into everything..

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:41 AM
"The Military" typically doesn't build much in most instances, they contract. For instance, "the Navy" doesn't build planes. They use approved contractors. My company is actually one of them; I've been quality inspector on things that go on F/A 18s. Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

Quality inspector to research assisant. Big jump there.

I am more "in the loop" then you think. Through my father I was privelged to all kinds of tasty tidbits in military research till he retired recently..

I knew about what caused the Space Shuttle disaster and what the public didn't know way ahead of it's formal release..

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:46 AM
Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

My father has been there,done that... What may I ask? Setting up the test stand equipment?

Apparently you don't know it but Aviation Week has regularly gone into these type of tests. I am sure they will get around to yours if they deem it important.

Sergio_101
03-23-2007, 04:11 PM
The USAF was supposedly interested in UFO sightings.
Let me tell you, the USAF loves the space aliens / UFO
crowd.
We laughed at the sightings, we even hoped
you UFO people would mistake secret
tests as UFOs!
Yes, we in the USAF saw that there is real
good in the use of fools for cover!

I feel that if the little green men do ever visit
they will not hesitate to make contact.
They will not hesitate to harvest food and water.
Maybe they will even serve man........

LMAO!

Sergio

Warrington_Wolf
03-23-2007, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snow_Wolf_:
well when you got these guys flying planes of cause they will call it foo fighters http://perso.orange.fr/ckb/images/learntofly1.jpg
That video is one of my favourite music videos of all time, even now it makes my chuckle.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

My father has been there,done that... What may I ask? Setting up the test stand equipment?

Apparently you don't know it but Aviation Week has regularly gone into these type of tests. I am sure they will get around to yours if they deem it important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have no idea what you're talking about and you aren't getting an idea of it from me bub. Stick to the things you think you know. For the record, I never indicated what my position is or was. You think you are a know-it-all, and you are not. If you were half as knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd know how stupid you sound right now. You think you know this and that through your Pop. Terrific. Either your Pop let you in on things that he legally had no Right to (look up what an "NDA" is), or you're full of it. Either way, since your only contact is by your own admission second hand, ie: you heard some stories from somebody who was there, you can safely assume I know more about it than you! Besides, you just told everyone you and your dad had "Seen it all". Now you say well, I might not have seen it, but if it's not in these two mags, it's just not important. Which story would you like to pick, and stick with?

Copperhead310th
03-23-2007, 06:58 PM
Odly enough guys it was just anounced on CNN Radio this morning that (yes i know of all Ppl and consider the source) FRENCH Military & Goverment has publicly realeased all there classified and secret documents to the public and have POSTED THEM ON THE INTERNET. Including radar tracks, speed changed and "right Angle course changes" The report stated that the French Goverment is the 1st country to ever do so.

Mexico released it's classified documents on ONE UFO siteing which was video taped by some awac crews in the Mexican AF.


So if anyone can read Freanch do some digging and see what you can turn up. Hell if it was on CNN radio it may be in the media some where.

Copperhead310th
03-23-2007, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
AFAIK, modern science seems to dismiss the possibility of greater than lightspeed travel, and it seems unlikely that anyone is crossing the galaxy in a 'generation ship' to see if anyone else is out there. What would be the point? Do they want to borrow a cup of Soylent Green?

On the other hand, if the mathematical estimates of the likelihood of other intelligent beings being out there is correct, it is not too far fetched to think that one or two of them might have advanced beyond our level and figured out a way around the lightspeed limit.

Now why they'd want to come here is the big question...it is like leaving the freeway in the LA area to find a gas station and finding yourself in the wrong neighborhood, if you know what I mean.

cheers

horseback

Well the theroy i have always had about lightspeed or greater than lightspeed travel is relitively simple. Here's an example:

lets say you wish to tavel from point A to Point b. With as little couse corection as possible.
conventional thinnking sugests that the shortest distance between to points is a straight line. Which is true. But what if points A & B are far apart. too far to travel in a straight line. and then there are stars and planets in the way yadda yadda.

So what do you do?

Well you don't travel from A to B.
you bring point b to point a.
you creat an energy feild powerfull enough to fold space and bring you destination to you instead of traveling to you destination. you do this several times in small incuremnts and eventualy where you were going will come to you.

in other words...take a simple sheet of notebook paper. Mark a dot on each end and fold it together so that the dots touch. now repeat the proces. viola! and remember that space is a vacume. so there will be no neeed to Unfold space to return to where you came.

that's how space travel over long distances is possible. It is also how UFO's are able to turn on a dime in mid flight. (right angle turns)
As for how to make space fold on it's self like a sheet of paper, i'll leave that for science to figure out. but i belive it to be possible.

JSG72
03-23-2007, 08:33 PM
Having read Many, many books on the subject.

I have felt it is my Duty to say.. "This subject is NOT Open to Discussion"


Case Closed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

There is a Time and place.

This is Not the Time. (But you heard it, hear first!).

FAKUJAK72

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

My father has been there,done that... What may I ask? Setting up the test stand equipment?

Apparently you don't know it but Aviation Week has regularly gone into these type of tests. I am sure they will get around to yours if they deem it important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have no idea what you're talking about and you aren't getting an idea of it from me bub. Stick to the things you think you know. For the record, I never indicated what my position is or was. You think you are a know-it-all, and you are not. If you were half as knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd know how stupid you sound right now. You think you know this and that through your Pop. Terrific. Either your Pop let you in on things that he legally had no Right to (look up what an "NDA" is), or you're full of it. Either way, since your only contact is by your own admission second hand, ie: you heard some stories from somebody who was there, you can safely assume I know more about it than you! Besides, you just told everyone you and your dad had "Seen it all". Now you say well, I might not have seen it, but if it's not in these two mags, it's just not important. Which story would you like to pick, and stick with? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1) Yes Aviation Week has in fact reported on stories of a classified nature which they probably shouldn't have..FACT They got away with it to. Still do.. If you knew really anything about military spying you would know "trade magazines" and public research papers are where most of the info on new projects is found dolt. Where do you think we got the info to design the original "stealth fighter bomber" From a public Russian research paper that's where. They do the very same thing btw..

You apparently aren't even aware of this...

2) From the vindictive and nasty nature of your post and your comments in general it is safe to assume you are a minor technician with little real expericance in real research other then taking measurments. Very few military research scientists do ordinary "quality control" inspections on military equipment which is apparently what you have done in the past and no doubt now also..

3) Lots of important factual info is aquired second hand. Again this show exactly how little you know. How do you think the Russian got the atom bomb secrets? I have told you nothing that was of a secret nature btw if you care to notice. Even the NASA info wasn't..


BB 462cid> "The Military" typically doesn't build much in most instances, they contract."

NO ****! Just found this out reently huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For instance, "the Navy" doesn't build planes. They use approved contractors.


WOW really? Go on I never knew? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


What maybe Like Northrop aviation maybe for instance? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


My company is actually one of them; I've been quality inspector on things that go on F/A 18s. Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use, and I can can absolutely gaurantee with no fear of contradiction that no magazine on Earth or beyond has an article on these things.

"I've been quality inspector on things that go on F/A 18s"

WOOOW! Sounds like your are a chief designer of military hardware alright..LMFAO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


"Today I was working on both a free falling body and a free flying vehicle that the military will use"


Like a coffee cup and a Gallows free flight glider? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

No doubt more "quality control" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif A nasy old free fall bomb and a partially autonomus UAV you were setting up equiptment the real researchers to use.


Yes In fact I do know what I am talking about where you with high probability do not..


I have met a few of your kind before. Like the saying goes "A very little knowlege can be a dangerous thing.."

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 09:23 PM
You do understand that you have just contradicted your earlier story, right? Somehow, you think I have bragged about my experiences. Well, you may actually read this thread at your leisure. I'm not sure what "my kind" is, that you feel entitled to look down your nose at, but the main difference between you and I is that I have the brains to admit when I'm wrong- and you just don't. Good luck with that, buckaroo

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You have just confirmed to me what I have described you as. Thank you.

and obviously because you have addressed not one single point I have mentioned here that you have confirmed everything I have said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Nice try trying to insult your way out of my arguments "Tech Boy"


Now watch out will you and don't give away any "secret info" now. I would't want the Russians to find out any of those secret measurments of an F-18's landing gear specs.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You have just confirmed to me what I have described you as. Thank you.

and obviously because you have addressed not one single point I have mentioned here that you have confirmed everything I have said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Nice try trying to insult your way out of my arguments "Tech Boy"


Now watch out will you and don't give away any "secret info" now. I would't want the Russians to find out any of those secret measurments of an F-18's landing gear specs.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh. Well thank you for quoting that, because I knew I had posted but the post wouldn't show up. Must be a high traffic night at the forums

I have not addressed your points for two very valid reasons:

1) Approximnately half of your points have nothing to do with what I've posted, and in fact, I wonder if you are having a conversation with both me and an imaginary person right now. I never claimed to be things you say I have, or done things you claim I have said I do. Take your words right the hell out of my mouth

2) I am not the type of person who feels the need to prove anything to you. if you think I measure things, that's your mistake, and you're welcome to it

But by the same token, you never addressed the points I brought up, so where do you get off making demands that I answer you?

I posted something that didn't agree with what you said. You made some pretty outlandish claims about how you've seen it all.

I refute that. It is very easy to conceive that you in fact have not seen it all. You haven't. It was an arrogant, dismissive, and fantasical statement. You made it, not me. It's not my fault that you made it. This is your hole, dig your way out of it.

If you can't do more than say I measure things, then pack it in. You're trying to tell me that two magazines you read make you an expert. That's what you posted, you read two magazines. So don't get huffy when I mention that two magazines don't encompass the world of aerospace, ok? It is patently obvious that nobody can have "seen it all", and you should know that, but you went ahead and made the claim. You made your bed, now lie in it. maybe the next time, you'll articulate what you want to say btetter

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You do understand that you have just contradicted your earlier story, right? Somehow, you think I have bragged about my experiences. Well, you may actually read this thread at your leisure. I'm not sure what "my kind" is, that you feel entitled to look down your nose at, but the main difference between you and I is that I have the brains to admit when I'm wrong- and you just don't. Good luck with that, buckaroo

You are so busted it isn't even funny anymore and if you indeed do have the brains to admit your wrong why aren't you doing it now?

Apparently you don't....

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 09:56 PM
What exactly am I wrong about? What claim have I made? Can you please reply with a post relating what I am mistaken about. Please quote my claims. Thank you

JSG72
03-23-2007, 10:09 PM
As yous all appear to be Oneupmans.

I rest my case.

Whatever your problems are? They certainly don't appear to be anything to do with the subject!

I do not work for a Government agency. Nor am I a private contractor.

If you guys feel that stating as such, lends more creadance to your posts.
Then let those who are reading them adjudge.

We can all, tick boxes.

That is by no means, what I would call an "Expert in the field". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You have just confirmed to me what I have described you as. Thank you.

and obviously because you have addressed not one single point I have mentioned here that you have confirmed everything I have said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Nice try trying to insult your way out of my arguments "Tech Boy"


Now watch out will you and don't give away any "secret info" now. I would't want the Russians to find out any of those secret measurments of an F-18's landing gear specs.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh. Well thank you for quoting that, because I knew I had posted but the post wouldn't show up. Must be a high traffic night at the forums

I have not addressed your points for two very valid reasons:

1) Approximnately half of your points have nothing to do with what I've posted, and in fact, I wonder if you are having a conversation with both me and an imaginary person right now

All the points do..

2) I am not the type of person who feels the need to prove anything to you. if you think I measure things, that's your mistake, and you're welcome to it"

No you don't have to prove a thing to me. You have proven more enough already from you posts.



But by the same token, you never addressed the poitns I brought up, so where do you get off making demands that I answer you?"

I addressed your points but apparently you haven't read my posts whatsoever to see that and won't comment on a thing I have said because you "have nothing to prove". Ya right.. Nice try saying I didn't though. I notice with people like you this is a very common tactic..

I posted something that didn't agree with what you said. You made some pretty outlandish claims about how you've seen it all.

I was obviously being a bit over the top here huh. Just as obviously you didn't notice whatsoever. I didn't really expect some "stu-nod" to take that completly literally and try to use make a lamoid argument. Well I was wrong..

I refute that. It is very easy to conceive that you in fact have not seen it all. You haven't. It was an arrogant, dismissive, and fantasical statement. You made it, not me. It's not my fault that you made it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Same as above..Don't you just love it when some anal retentive with obviously nothing better to do in their life actually takes a common phrase and literally disscects it into it's fundemental building blocks for a reason to have an argument? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

"It's not my fault that you made it[/QUOTE]

See he is even blaming me for it now... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:18 PM
I am not getting any real info from you here because obviously you have have little to none to give. I probably could learn more for USA Today then from you. Probably more from a fry cook at Kentucky Fried Chicken about their 11 herbs and spices secret recipe.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://www.kfc.com/menu/images/chicken_bigbox.jpg

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 10:27 PM
I will state what I saw with a city of eyewitnesses to back me up once again for those of you that could care less about stupid retoric.


A huge craft probably 100 to 150 ft across. Flying at an altitude of 150 ft or so. Five flashing colored lights of different colors. Flying with absolutely no sound whatsoever at a walking speed..

take it or leave it I don't care...

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 10:35 PM
You're off in left field, and also displaying a wonderful knack for butchering your own posts

Let me boil down my standpoint for you, as you seem muddled

You claim that you've "seen it all". Far from being a common phrase in this case, you made the statement and then defended it. You cited the fact that you read two magazines as proof you know a lot about the subject

I refute that. You say, quote:

"They [the magazines you read] know all the poop on everything the military is building."

I explained why this is not the case, and I used my professional, first hand knowledge as an example of why

You don't like that. You have so far gone on to claim I allude to have done various things and that I claim to be various things. You also don't like that

You have also posted that I am "wrong" about something. Well again i ask you to illustrate the claim I made that I am wrong about

But all of that is pointless, isn't it?

You are mad at me, stalkervision, because of the part I played in how you got banned for a week about ten days ago. Isn't that right? Yes, it is. I just checked it out. You're the guy who decided to act tough to a new member, and tell him what a piece of garbage he was, and I told you where to stick it, and alerted the mod that got you banned.

You phoney baloney charlatan. I thought I recognised your user-name but it didn't quite click until just now.

JSG72
03-23-2007, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I will state what I saw with a city of eye witnesses to back me up once again for those of you that could care less about stupid retoric.


A huge craft probably 100 to 150 ft across. Flying at an altitude of 150 ft or so. Five flashing colored lights of different colors. Flying with absolutely no sound whatsoever at a walking speed..

take it or leave it I don't care...


Yeh! I Take it.

To those guys that believe in Aliens? WHA!

To those who have a feel for what's going on in the World. Another day at the office.

Rest easy.

heywooood
03-23-2007, 10:39 PM
a single universe....one...lol

homo sapiens - we are always trying to remain at the center, like an 'only child'....one universe...one earth...one sentient being, lol

when there are so many...
...far too many to count, but you can't get your head around that can you...your 'religion' will never let you consider it.

God made you and placed you here alone is that it?
Put on your blinders and don't look at the night sky...don't ask scientific questions because they might lead you away from 'creation' yes?
You might learn something real and that is so much harder than simply trusting something comfortable.

Its like your own driveway (if you have one) - look at it - leading from your house to the road.

Is yours the only house?
Is yours the only driveway?
Is that the only road?

No - there are many. And thats just on one world.

How many worlds are there, homo sapiens?

Maybe one day you will travel at the 'speed of light' eh? See a few of them for yourselves?

You will be like the Wright Brothers sailing along so swiftly through time and space, compared to their ancestors...it will be amusing and nostalgic for all the others who have mastered it before you.

Like seeing training wheels on a kids bike.

Remember - the reward will only come if you survive this period of developement and it doesn't look good these days.

But the weather can change quickly when it has a mind to...

(Seriously - what sensible responsible being would allow themselves to be captured by such an angry, primitive race as this, eh?...best to move swiftly and not take chances - once in awhile a diligent inquisitive soul with a camera or other device will get lucky and capture an image...no danger to them, no harm done and not many will believe the images...but to monitor slowly and visibly for any length of time or to risk an outnumbered surface encounter would be harmful at best and serve no purpose to 'either' race at this point in time...you gots ta turn the corner people, we are watching and hoping you will...it is why we are here)

I read that somewhere...

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 10:43 PM
Just read your post from earlier, JSG72

You've missed some of the exchnage between me and stalkervision

he said that he knew all about what the military does concerning manned flying vehicles, and this was in reference to his UFO sighting. he backed this up by naming two magazines that he reads, as proof

I mentioned that this is not really so, that in my job I definitely have worked on things he knows nothing about. At least one other member did this too, by the way, and like me, he will not go into specifics, but only mentions that he knows stalkervision is incorrect on the standpoint that he knows all of what the military is doing

So that is what it has to do with the topic: stalkervision reports that he knows that what he saw cannot have been a man-made object, because he reads these two magazines, and therefore knows "all the poop on everything the military is building."

As you can see, this is very much on topic

heywooood
03-23-2007, 10:51 PM
militant technology is like a stale bisquit

it looks like food but its best you don't eat it

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
You're off in left field, and also displaying a wonderful knack for butchering your own posts

> No you have a wonderful knack at using samantic to try to win your silly arguments is all.<

Let me boil down my standpoint for you, as you seem muddled

You claim that you've "seen it all". Far from being a common phrase in this case, you made the statement and then defended it. You cited the fact that you read two magazines as proof you know a lot about the subject

Well lets see since we are using "literally meanings" and "samantical nonesense" I in fact didn't read just "two magazines" When one has a subscription to a magazine one normally get more then two magazines with it doesn't one?

I refute that. You say, quote:

"They [the magazines you read] know all the poop on everything the military is building."

I explained why this is not the case, and I used my professional, first hand knowledge as an example of why "

Your explaination was esentially nonsense as I recently proves also..

>I proved my points you didn't prove a thing yet<


You don't like that. You have so far gone on to claim I allude to have done various things and that I claim to be various things. You also don't like that

You have also posted that I am "wrong" about something. Well again i ask you to illustrate the claim I made that I am wrong about

But all of that is pointless, isn't it?

You are mad at me, stalkervision, because of the part I played in how you got banned for a week about ten days ago. Isn't that right? Yes, it is. I just checked it out. You're the guy who decided to act tough to a new member, and tell him what a piece of garbage he was, and I told you where to stick it, and alerted the mod that got you banned.


No I made a total and complete fool out of you and when you lost you got mad you cried to the mods and I got banned unfairly over posts which I will admit went overboard a bit were ment to be humorous. You took them and turned the whole thing around because you were losing the fight big time..



You phoney baloney charlatan. I thought I recognised your user-name but it didn't quite click until just now.


Charlatan! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No actually I am sure you noticed me posting immediately because in every posting I have made since then I have noticed you tried to start trouble with me..


Ya. Now I remenber you. You cried to the mods like a big fat baby didn't that you were being treated unfairly...BO WHOO HOO. Ya I was totally kidding with a poster about being a newbie and you took that literally too to start trouble. Figures... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously your trying to start trouble again baiting me with insults aren't you..

JSG72
03-23-2007, 11:09 PM
Hi BBB462cid

Just seems to me that yous are both trying to outdo each other.
Because you are proclaiming your own abilities through what both have experienced within your own field(sic).

Just because I stay 10 miles away from Jimmy Clarks Birthplace, and have attended the annual "Jim Clark Rally".
Does not make me an expert in all things pertaining to Jim Clark.

Just because I work in a Nuclear Power station for the past 20yrs (on the Fuel route side.)
Does not mean I Know about Reactor Physics.

To keep your arguament strong. You would have to be able to realise your own position and be able to state that by "No means" Do you know it all.
However. Given the information that you have accumulated over the years. You personally would make the assumption that what you post is "Fact". As much as you can tell.

However? Honesty. Is not always the purveyor of truth

Back to Page One!

heywooood
03-23-2007, 11:09 PM
this is why you won't make it...

the knowing man....the wise man...homo sapiens.


the name ought to come with floppy red shoes and a big yellow wig.


eh - whats this last? JSG72 makes a point?

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:12 PM
BBB462cid You are obviously a little trouble maker with a major personality disorder as you admitted . Normally I would hand you your head on a silver platter but since you obviously are a cry baby and a little tattletail and would go crying to your mommy I won't.

I pegged you for one kind of person but your much much worse then even I thought so I am going to ignore your bait postings to me as much as is possible. You are obviously just a little troll with nothing better to do then cause trouble for others.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

heywooood
03-23-2007, 11:16 PM
someone quiet the infants

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
someone quiet the infants

Done here if you hadn't noticed and I am not an infant so spare me the insults but the previous poster sure is.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 11:19 PM
It doesn't bother you at all that I just called you out and hit the nail on the head with the very first stroke? I'm not surprised. You must be very familiar with being found out

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
It doesn't bother you at all that I just called you out and hit the nail on the head with the very first stroke? I'm not surprised. You must be very familiar with being found out


Dream on troll boy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Called me out? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


No, usually I screw squids like you into the dirt head first as a lite troll snack but since your obviously a little tattletail and a total cry baby that hides behind mommies skirt I apparently can't do it which is totally lucky for you..


I notice your professional facade as "research scientist" disappered pretty quickly. Well when something isn't real to begin with that tends to happen doesn't it?


Good luck there with being a professional troll though. That is obviously the only thing professional about you..

heywooood
03-23-2007, 11:34 PM
oh well by all means please continue to prove me wrong....

I'll just get some popcorn.

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
oh well by all means please continue to prove me wrong....

I'll just get some popcorn.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


and you would get to enjoy that popcorn too if I didn't have both my hands and feet tied behind my back unfortunately by a mommies boy.. I suppose I could bit him on the ankle though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by JSG72:

[QUOTE]Just seems to me that yous are both trying to outdo each other.

This might be a valid point if we were in fact exchanging professional experiences. We have not. In fact I mentioned one solitary position I have held in aerospace, and mentioned two examples of things I know are not known to stalkervision, but which he claims knoweldge of


Because you are proclaiming your own abilities through what both have experienced within your own field(sic).

I have done nothing of the sort. My abilities have been mentioned precisely zero times. I have not even talked about what I really do other than to mention QC. He also has not made any claims to professional abilities at all. You behave as if one of us has said "Well I do this", then the other said "Yeah? well I do THAT so you are wrong." This has not happened. Please restrict your comments to what he and I have posted. You are wrong on not only what I have said, but what stalkervision has said, as well

You may be confused because stalkervision has several times posted that I do several things, which are his staements and not mine, and I will thank you to recognise the difference between what I post and what he says in his own posts



Just because I stay 10 miles away from Jimmy Clarks Birthplace, and have attended the annual "Jim Clark Rally".
Does not make me an expert in all things pertaining to Jim Clark.

By which you mean to say that I have said I am the Expert here. I have said nothing of the sort. Again, reading the thread will illustrate this to you


To keep your arguament strong. You would have to be able to realise your own position and be able to state that by "No means" Do you know it all.
However. Given the information that you have accumulated over the years. You personally would make the assumption that what you post is "Fact". As much as you can tell.

Hmmm? This is bogus. Surely you understand that firms have proprietary projects that the public is not made aware of. This happens in every industry, from the Food Service to Plastics




However? Honesty. Is not always the purveyor of truth

Which is to say that I merely beleive he doesn't know some things. No, I am 100% sure he doesn't. In fact I am so sure I would bet my life on it. I do not beleive these things, I know them to be fact. If you do not think that this is Truth, then the burden of proof is on you, not me.


Back to Page One!

Hopefully, this is to read the thread and filter out what I really said from what you think I did

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
oh well by all means please continue to prove me wrong....

I'll just get some popcorn.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


and you would get to enjoy that popcorn too if I didn't have both my hands and feet tied behind my back unfortunately by a mommies boy.. I suppose I could bit him on the ankle though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you had left and were done here. Or was that another of your famous exaggerations?

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:49 PM
Monty Python.."The argument clinic"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM


I am not allowed to argue unless you've paid.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

heywooood
03-23-2007, 11:53 PM
Breeze mentioned Foo Fighters - I think thats what this thread was originally about, no?

And you then contended that you and your PoPs spotted one and that, based on all of your comprehensive aircraft studies, it could not have been man made...yes?

Well - there are many 'man made' flying machines extant today...most are well known and in the public domain and a few are not.

It is likely that what you saw was one of these.
Likely - but not completely certain.

No one in the aerospace industry in any country will dispute the idea of chance...besides - alot of things appear to be certain for a long time - like the notion of human flight which was itself for many centuries deemed impossible for certain....

There are many examples right here around us that our ongoing developement can make the impossible...possible, if not practical....

Oh - I see. Nevermind.

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
oh well by all means please continue to prove me wrong....

I'll just get some popcorn.

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and you would get to enjoy that popcorn too if I didn't have both my hands and feet tied behind my back unfortunately by a mommies boy.. I suppose I could bit him on the ankle though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you had left and were done here. Or was that another of your famous exaggerations? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2007, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:

I notice your professional facade as "research scientist" disappered pretty quickly. Well when something isn't real to begin with that tends to happen doesn't it?

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stalkervision, I would be very interested indeed to have you point out the post in which I claim to be a research scientist. It would fascinate me to no end to read that post. In fact, I'm sure everyone would like to read where I claim this. Which page is it on?

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
Breeze mentioned Foo Fighters - I think thats what this thread was originally about, no?

And you then contended that you and your PoPs spotted one and that, based on all of your comprehensive aircraft studies, it could not have been man made...yes?

Well - there are many 'man made' flying machines extant today...most are well known and in the public domain and a few are not.

It is likely that what you saw was one of these.
Likely - but not completely certain.

No one in the aerospace industry in any country will dispute the idea of chance...besides - alot of things appear to be certain for a long time - like the notion of human flight which was itself for many centuries deemed impossible for certain....

There are many examples right here around us that our ongoing developement can make the impossible...possible, if not practical....

Oh - I see. Nevermind.


No continue on please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Having the thread actually be about "foo fighters" again would be real nice. It really is an interesting subject. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
03-23-2007, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

I notice your professional facade as "research scientist" disappered pretty quickly. Well when something isn't real to begin with that tends to happen doesn't it?

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stalkervision, I would be very interested indeed to have you point out the post in which I claim to be a research scientist. It would fascinate me to no end to read that post. Which page is it on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

XyZspineZyX
03-24-2007, 12:01 AM
Please point out the post in which I lie about being a research scientist. Now, if you please

Can't do it, can you? I'll check in the morning, to see if you've successfuly guessed my password, so you can edit my posts to make your lie into reality! Good luck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ViktorViktor
03-24-2007, 01:51 AM
I have noticed/imagined that when a new (US) president is elected, and when the incoming- and outgoing-presi meet together in public to 'receive the baton' from the old presi, the incumbent president has a strange expression on his face when he greets the new president.

It's as if during the final year of the (US) president's term in office, the military/CIA finally reveal to him that aliens have had diplomatic relations with us for several years now.

And the old president is thinking, 'dude you are in for a rude surprise, just wait'.

ImpStarDuece
03-24-2007, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
It doesn't bother you at all that I just called you out and hit the nail on the head with the very first stroke? I'm not surprised. You must be very familiar with being found out


Dream on troll boy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Called me out? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


No, usually I screw squids like you into the dirt head first as a lite troll snack but since your obviously a little tattletail and a total cry baby that hides behind mommies skirt I apparently can't do it which is totally lucky for you..


I notice your professional facade as "research scientist" disappered pretty quickly. Well when something isn't real to begin with that tends to happen doesn't it?


Good luck there with being a professional troll though. That is obviously the only thing professional about you.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you screw squid?

ViktorViktor
03-24-2007, 04:56 AM
He's just a kid, fellas. Kids can make mistakes.

MEGILE
03-24-2007, 06:27 AM
I didn't read the last two pages.

Someone summarize it in 2 and a half words.

ploughman
03-24-2007, 06:40 AM
I be leaf.

XyZspineZyX
03-24-2007, 07:19 AM
That's three words http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

a better one would be:

fibber gets cau...

Insuber
03-24-2007, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
I didn't read the last two pages.

Someone summarize it in 2 and a half words.

"meright, youwrong"

Breeze147
03-24-2007, 10:18 AM
The P-51 won the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

AKA_TAGERT
03-24-2007, 10:19 AM
Area 51 1/2 rocks

Flying_Nutcase
03-24-2007, 10:39 AM
After six pages of bar room brawling (I guess - the middle four skipped), funny how no one has mentioned the French government's release of (apparently) all their documents on 'objects that were seen but not identified'.