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raaaid
01-09-2008, 07:52 AM
lets suppose you are high and have a 10 g propulsor

you can do 2 things, stay still(10-10g) or dive and as you cross the ellipse vortice rebound up at high speed with 0 acceleration(10-10g) ending as high as desired and with the ability to repeat the process acumulating energy

raaaid
01-09-2008, 07:59 AM
the same can be aplied to arocket if you have a 10g thruster youll be stilled on air

but if you dive and pitch up youll end up higher hows this

x6BL_Brando
01-09-2008, 08:52 AM
lets suppose you are high

yes thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


you can do 2 things, stay still

I'm going to lie down


or dive and as you cross the ellipse vortice rebound up at high speed

Way too energetic, and probably squishy at the point of rebound.

I'm going with staying still http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

B

foxyboy1964
01-09-2008, 09:19 AM
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K_Freddie
01-09-2008, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
I'm going with staying still http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now, there's alot of POTENTIAL in that... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cajun76
01-09-2008, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
the same can be aplied to arocket if you have a 10g thruster youll be stilled on air

but if you dive and pitch up youll end up higher hows this

I don't blow smoke and I ain't a physics major, but I do read and understand some things, including reletivity.

You're confusing a "10g thruster" with something else. It depends on what mass you're accelerating. The same "10g thruster" that accelerates 100kg at 10g's will not do the same to 10,000kg.

I wonder, does the Harrier's engines develop "10+ G's"? In forward flight, does the Harrier accelerate at 10g's?

Covino
01-09-2008, 04:26 PM
Gravity does create the potential for energy... its called potential energy.

Your example is flawed... it wouldn't work if you start at altitude 0... which means its not free energy... its potential energy

and your 10g thrust is expensive, not free

and you dont consider air resistance... at a fixed thrust... every flying object has a terminal veleocity that will be reached whether starting from a standstill or after your rebound you described (the velocity will reach 0)

M_Gunz
01-09-2008, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
lets suppose you are high and have a 10 g propulsor

you can do 2 things, stay still(10-10g) or dive and as you cross the ellipse vortice rebound up at high speed with 0 acceleration(10-10g) ending as high as desired and with the ability to repeat the process acumulating energy

No. And gravity alone does not generate energy.

ZappaTime
01-09-2008, 04:32 PM
energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

M_Gunz
01-09-2008, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
the same can be aplied to arocket if you have a 10g thruster youll be stilled on air

Only in a 10G gravity field. Where you flying, atmosphere of Jupiter?


but if you dive and pitch up youll end up higher hows this

10G of thrust on Earth you will either end up very high or go very fast.

Cajun, 10G thrust is however much thrust it takes to equal 10x the mass of your vehicle.
You only have to divide by mass when you are running some number force of thrust, like pounds.

AKA_TAGERT
01-09-2008, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
lets suppose you are high and have a 10 g propulsor

you can do 2 things, stay still(10-10g) or dive and as you cross the ellipse vortice rebound up at high speed with 0 acceleration(10-10g) ending as high as desired and with the ability to repeat the process acumulating energy Crump may agree with your assement..

But not all

DuxCorvan
01-09-2008, 06:02 PM
I left Physics. Now I study tantra sex. While reading this thread I got an inwards ***********. No casualties.

Cajun76
01-09-2008, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
the same can be aplied to arocket if you have a 10g thruster youll be stilled on air

Only in a 10G gravity field. Where you flying, atmosphere of Jupiter?


but if you dive and pitch up youll end up higher hows this

10G of thrust on Earth you will either end up very high or go very fast.

Cajun, 10G thrust is however much thrust it takes to equal 10x the mass of your vehicle.
You only have to divide by mass when you are running some number force of thrust, like pounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know what he's trying at, but in physics, you have to start in the right frame and reference. For example, the "10g thruster" is going to burn off fuel and accelerate faster, ignoring simple things like atmo drag and exit velocity of the "thruster". Just for starters.

I'm trying to get Raaaid to get his head into the way you have to think if your going to muse about this stuff. His whole premise for this particular one was that you need "10g thrusters" to counter Earth's gravity. Heck, I would need to be pretty buff just to hold out and drop my hand 33cm and then stop it in Raaaids' world.

Hence my real world reality check with the Harrier as an example. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
01-09-2008, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by ZappaTime:
energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

SOB, I was going to say that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stansdds
01-10-2008, 04:07 AM
does the gravity pull generate energy?
Only around Uranus. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
01-10-2008, 04:33 AM
There is no such thing as gravity - the earth sucks.

Whirlin_merlin
01-10-2008, 05:25 AM
Does the pull of gravity 'generate' energy?

Yes that's how hydroelectric power stations work.
Of course closer inspection reveals exactly what 'generate' means, it's just about transformations of energy. Hydro' is just Solar power once removed.

MajorBloodnok
01-10-2008, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I left Physics. Now I study tantra sex. While reading this thread I got an inwards ***********. No casualties. Contortionist! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Breeze147
01-10-2008, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I left Physics. Now I study tantra sex. While reading this thread I got an inwards ***********. No casualties.

Wow, isn't that the 3rd Gate to Nirvana?

Breeze147
01-10-2008, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by stansdds:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">does the gravity pull generate energy?
Only around Uranus. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

RoFL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DuxCorvan
01-10-2008, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I left Physics. Now I study tantra sex. While reading this thread I got an inwards ***********. No casualties.

Wow, isn't that the 3rd Gate to Nirvana? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, that's thru armpit orgasm and ear squirting.

M_Gunz
01-10-2008, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Does the pull of gravity 'generate' energy?

Yes that's how hydroelectric power stations work.
Of course closer inspection reveals exactly what 'generate' means, it's just about transformations of energy. Hydro' is just Solar power once removed.

And here I was thinking that energy stored in water raised against gravity is tapped when the
same water falls is what powers those turbines.

Gosh-a-rooti why bother with raising mass and allowing it to fall when we could just be tapping
the force of gravity directly? I must be generating energy just sitting here! So how come I
don't get warmer all the time? Damn, all the science I ever learned must be wrong!

Whirlin_merlin
01-10-2008, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Does the pull of gravity 'generate' energy?

Yes that's how hydroelectric power stations work.
Of course closer inspection reveals exactly what 'generate' means, it's just about transformations of energy. Hydro' is just Solar power once removed.

And here I was thinking that energy stored in water raised against gravity is tapped when the
same water falls is what powers those turbines.

Gosh-a-rooti why bother with raising mass and allowing it to fall when we could just be tapping
the force of gravity directly? I must be generating energy just sitting here! So how come I
don't get warmer all the time? Damn, all the science I ever learned must be wrong! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Er I think that was the point I was getting at, the term 'generate' is misleading. Whilst it's fair to talk about generating electricity, you are not generating energy just transforming it from one form to another.

DuxCorvan
01-10-2008, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I must be generating energy just sitting here! So how come I
don't get warmer all the time? Damn, all the science I ever learned must be wrong!

In fact, you are surely generating generous amounts of methane. You just need to pump it out to push a turbine, or set it on fire to heat a boiler. Gunzoelectric central.

M_Gunz
01-10-2008, 08:08 AM
Somehow we must be able to extract free energy just because mass in gravity has weight, right?
All that gravity pulling down, Raaaid will make a machine to use it directly and save the world!
All he needs are few good smartass associates for design team and financial support.
Any volunteers to help with the funding? Hmmmmm?

Dux, I don't fart much. Beans have high oxalate content and I grow very large kidney stones
from oxalate so beans (including soy), nuts (including peanut butter) and many of my old favorite
foods are off-limits in any real quantities. It sucks but it keeps me off the OR table for
years at a time. So I don't get to fart much at all which is really sad.

Could you fart for me?

DuxCorvan
01-10-2008, 05:17 PM
As you wish, m8.

This one is for you. 21 salvos in your honor.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i198/I_M_god/fart.gif

Messaschnitzel
01-10-2008, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
As you wish, m8.

This one is for you. 21 salvos in your honor.


Hey Dux, I see that you have your own Methane based reality T.V. show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi5ehKJFnqE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIW0-wRN8As&NR=1

No more pedos.

Please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif