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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:22 PM
I think we all agree that the P-39 performs better than it should. We also know that Oleg said it would be adjusted in the next patch.

My question is what will the P-63 be like? Will it be like the P-39 is now, or better? Are we really flying a P-63 now?

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:22 PM
I think we all agree that the P-39 performs better than it should. We also know that Oleg said it would be adjusted in the next patch.

My question is what will the P-63 be like? Will it be like the P-39 is now, or better? Are we really flying a P-63 now?

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:25 PM
Yes Buzz, the current 1.11 P-39 is actually a test of the addon P-63 FM. I think they found it was overmodelled and will be toning the release P-63 down a little.


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ZG77_Nagual
10-06-2003, 07:36 PM
Hehe, under modeled you mean - better level speed, better sustained climb (slightly), better elevator authority at higher speeds.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:50 PM
I don't think that P-39 is that overmodelled as it was. Only the turn rate is bigger than it should. It should turn as good as a 109G, now is better.

109 are problematic now, climb, acceleration and speed loss are off. But Maddox team said it will look again at Bf109 FM.


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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:57 PM
I haven't flown the P-39 since the 1.11 patch. Doesn't it still climb and roll to good? How about the stall?

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:09 PM
I would say the P-63 will be better then the P-39 of today. Quite a bit so. Better wings, 300-400 more HP, more stable, more ammo. It will be a very good aircraft! Most people compair IL2's P-39 to early US and British P-39's. Bell fixed a lot of the problems and improved its design from D too the Q. As for the patched P-39, not much differant. In fact, I think he made a few aspects even better! It got its dive back, but its now slightly easier to stall.

All in all, The P-39 was, is, and will be the slowest 1944 fighter. It cant out climb anything, and it wont out turn much. I dont know why people think it so uber? Maybe because a few people have figured out how to use it well, and they need an excuse as to why they lost to a P-39? Thats my theries. That, and people keep reading reports of EARLY P-39 D and P-400's and think that 4 years of development would not improve much. Lol.

Gib

Buzz_25th wrote:
- I think we all agree that the P-39 performs better
- than it should. We also know that Oleg said it would
- be adjusted in the next patch.
-
- My question is what will the P-63 be like? Will it
- be like the P-39 is now, or better? Are we really
- flying a P-63 now?
-
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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 08:15 PM
I guess the bottom line is what Oleg thinks of the P-63. I hope he thinks it's a good plane, and uses the right data for it.

We're running out of time for getting patches. He needs to get the P-63 right the first time. I'm hoping for that anyway.





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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:20 PM
Consider this. The VVS hated the P-40 and P-47. DM is porked. P-39 was well liked by the VVS. Modeled well, and i agree in a few area's, over modeled (but its still the slowest aircraft in 44). What did the VVS think of the P-63 is a good question? Did they like it? I dont know. By then, they had some very nice aircraft, and in very good numbers. They did not need to like it as much as they NEEDED to like the P-39 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I only read 1 pilot account of a Russian pilot and he liked the P-63. Said it was better in all ways to the P-39.

Also, Stalins rath did dictate score results. And Stalin did NOT want to hear of an Allied or Axis aircraft that was better then there own.

Gib

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 08:26 PM
I agree with all you've said. I read "Attack of the Airacobras" The Russian pilots liked the P-39 a lot more than Stalin would let them say. If the P-39 was a P-63 to begin with. The top pilot wouldn't have been in a La7../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:35 PM
the P-63 is going to be great but, it is up against a tough, fast planeset. It will be fighting Me262s, Fw190A9s and D9s, Ta152s and K4s. So, same old story, Germans turn they die, they don't they win.

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 08:38 PM
The P-63 should be a good B&Z plane. I think we have some interesting fights coming up.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:39 PM
I still do fairly well in my P-39, and like I siad. Its the slowest 1944 aircraft. The P-63 could do just over 400MPH. Not bad at all. Plus the extra 37MM rounds will help me out quite a bit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ow. Did I mention 3 hard points?

Gib

faustnik wrote:
- the P-63 is going to be great but, it is up against
- a tough, fast planeset. It will be fighting Me262s,
- Fw190A9s and D9s, Ta152s and K4s. So, same old
- story, Germans turn they die, they don't they win.
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ZG77_Nagual
10-06-2003, 08:46 PM
According to golodnikov (sp?) the p63 was a 'quantum leap' over the p39 - and he was a p39 ace and loved it. America's 100k gives the 63 the second best turn of any tested american AC - I believe one of, if not the highest roll rate as well. Someone else may have the stats handy. It will be a first rate dogfighter across the board.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:46 PM
Russians often were performing so called "sravnitelnye ispytaniya" - comparative tests.
It meant - group of elite test pilots dogfight against one another, lend, exchange planes, take-of and dogfight more, repeat..
Book A.T. Stepanets - Yak Fighters in WWII has some examples of P-63C-1 flown against newest Russian fighters - Yak-9P, Yak-3(VK-107A), Yak-9U and also against Spitfire IX.
Kingcobra did well being slightly better in horizontal maneuver then late Yaks and worst in vertical. It was also better at "high altitude" performance then Russian fighters. High altitude for Russians was considered above 6000m.


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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:47 PM
That's true, it does have a laminar flow wing and is very aerodynamic. All those cannon rounds will make me very nervous in my 190 too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:57 PM
I have read on several earlier discussions ,
that it was faster than a P-51D down low (sea level)
and the best US climber,?

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:00 PM
After looking at the update this week. I claim the P-63 as my new baby. I'm sweeping a clean spot in the hanger for it now.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:03 PM
Ya. Maybe with the P-63 I can catch you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

faustnik wrote:
- That's true, it does have a laminar flow wing and is
- very aerodynamic. All those cannon rounds will make
- me very nervous in my 190 too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:04 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- After looking at the update this week. I claim the
- P-63 as my new baby. I'm sweeping a clean spot in
- the hanger for it now.



You're only a year and a half behind me on that claim Buzz.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:07 PM
S!

Yup...the P-63 KingCobra will be in my hangerhttp://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/fcinema.gif


I saw performed at the CAF AirShow in Midland Texas last week...very impressive!http://www.dslextreme.com/users/mwss/images/banana.gif



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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:10 PM
No i'm not Gem. I've been asking for the P-63 since IL2 first came out../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:16 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- No i'm not Gem. I've been asking for the P-63 since IL2 first came out.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Forgot who I was talking to.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:20 PM
Yes, Buzz did mention it a LONG time ago. Back then us P-39 pilots were desperate for better performance.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:22 PM
I have been waiting for the P-63 since i fell in love with the P-39 in IL2!!! Well, I got tired of waiting, and made it happen. BTW. Question. IL2 was the first time I had ever heard or seen the P-39, and I thought I had known every US WWII fighter. Anyone else with this same experance?

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:23 PM
faustnik wrote:
- Yes, Buzz did mention it a LONG time ago. Back then
- us P-39 pilots were desperate for better performance.


I wasn't.
I liked it the way it was.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:26 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- I have been waiting for the P-63 since i fell in
- love with the P-39 in IL2!!! Well, I got tired of
- waiting, and made it happen. BTW. Question. IL2
- was the first time I had ever heard or seen the
- P-39, and I thought I had known every US WWII
- fighter. Anyone else with this same experance?



I had seen them a couple of times on the History Channel before getting into flight sims. Never seen one in RL though.

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:27 PM
Gib,

I knew about the P-39, but only that it was a dud as far as American plames goes. I never knew much about the Eastern front, and what part the P-39 played in it.

I was to much of a P-51 fan to look at any other plane seriously.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:33 PM
I was to much in love with the P-38 to notice the odd-ball aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Now that I fly the P-39 a lot, I have been able to visit two at a local museum, one currently being restored to flyable! I got to watch them test the manual hydrolic pump on the landing gear. The poor mecanic was going "crist! How many pumps does this take?" and the other guys were going "Keep going, the gear doors are almost fully open!" Lol. Nearly gave that guy a heart attack. Thats the day I got into the P-80 cockpit for referances. I also got to visit a real P-63 in Palm Springs. I had planned to meet with someone who was going to open her up and let me in, but he was not there that day! Bummer.

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:41 PM
I'd like to see a P-63. I'm up in Big Bear. A hop skip and a jump to Palm Springs.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:50 PM
Cool! I live on Orange County. I used to go up to Big Bear often. I no longer have my Jeep and the Saturn is not fit for the thek in Winter. Anyways, go check out the Palm Springs Air Museum! Very good place. They have a fully restored B-17 you can walk in, B-24, P-51, P-47, Spit, TBA Avenger, P-63, and I can go on and on. Great place.

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Gib

Buzz_25th wrote:
- I'd like to see a P-63. I'm up in Big Bear. A hop
- skip and a jump to Palm Springs.
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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:55 PM
Cool beans. I'll wait for winter. It's too hot there any other time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:07 PM
What time do you guys fly online? I'm in the South Bay.

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 10:18 PM
I haven't been online for awhile. Just a little with my squad. I was waiting for Lock-on, but now that i've tried the demo. I really don't like it that much.

Time to get some practce in the P-39. I never got the hang of the cannon. I need to work that out if i'm going to be any good in the P-63.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:20 PM
Firs time I got to know the Airacobra was in
a flight simulator I think was named 1942, still got it somewere,anybody remember this one?

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:22 PM
One minute we are talking Eastern Front, like what the VVS think of the p40/p47 - next minute we are told we aren't just in the Eastern Front.

Let's make the data what it is and not what the 'VVS think'



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10-06-2003, 11:17 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:32 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- I don't think that P-39 is that overmodelled as it
- was. Only the turn rate is bigger than it should. It
- should turn as good as a 109G, now is better.

Just for your information, so you don't expect too little of yet another American machine: Bell's study "Reduction Of Gross Weight" (# 15-943-014, July 7, 1942) showed the P-39D-1 (Serial No. 41-38291) weighing 7,779 lbs (more than any P-39 in FB) had a turn radius of just 780 feet.

You stated in a previous thread that according to your calculations it should be 400-500 meters.



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10-07-2003, 01:34 AM
a emil isnt a 109k http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
10-07-2003, 01:58 AM
Buzz - as you may know - I've been a p-63 whiner since IL2 came out (demo) - moreover I chatted with Oleg about it and found a modeler - though he had to drop it - anyway - I might have you beat on the my baby thing. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I think the mustang will be very good to - and of course the 190 - but the P-63 is truly the unsung american uber dogfighter.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:14 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Cool! I live on Orange County. I used to go up to
- Big Bear often. I no longer have my Jeep and the
- Saturn is not fit for the thek in Winter. Anyways,
- go check out the Palm Springs Air Museum! Very good
- place. They have a fully restored B-17 you can walk
- in, B-24, P-51, P-47, Spit, TBA Avenger, P-63, and I
- can go on and on. Great place.

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You live in the OC? Is FRANKS hobby shop still there in orange of orange? Anyway.. you didnt have to go all the way to plam springs!! CHINO has a beter selection to see.. Buildings are not as nice as palm spings.. but aircraft are better... On that note the palm springs and chio share aircraft sometimes..

The neat thing about chino is they have the last flyable ZERO that has the orginal power plant... The Northrup wing from 1937... A JAP version of the Me163.. The only one left in the world so Im told... interesting story there.. The germans sent two subs to JAPAN with 1/2 (rear) and the other 1/2 (front) another.. The one with the front got sunk, so the japs had to improvise the front.. Oh.. And if your interested, they take one ac out and fly it on the fist sat or sun of each month... I know I forgetting something.. Oh they have a He163 too.. and the restore ac there.. really neat place a must see! And much closer than palm springs.. I live in NORCO and the planes from Chino fly over my house at least twice a month.. nutting like mowing the lawn and you look up and see and hear a P51 zooming by low enough to where you can see the pilots head.

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10-07-2003, 02:18 AM
fjuff79 wrote:
- Firs time I got to know the Airacobra was in
- a flight simulator I think was named 1942, still got
- it somewere,anybody remember this one?

Pacific Air War (PAW) 1942.. I remember it well.. but I dont remember a P39 in there? Mostly NAVY stuff... Is that the one?



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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 02:35 AM
tagert,

I know Gib has been to Chino. He was at the last air show. They don't have a P-63 though. It sounds like he was going to get a chance to sit in the P-63 in Palm Springs.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:38 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- tagert,
-
- I know Gib has been to Chino. He was at the last
- air show. They don't have a P-63 though. It sounds
- like he was going to get a chance to sit in the P-63
- in Palm Springs.

Ah, roger, they got an ol beat up P39 there... didnt know palm had a 63! Ill have to fire up the bike next weekend and take a ride! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:39 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- tagert,
-
- I know Gib has been to Chino. He was at the last
- air show. They don't have a P-63 though. It sounds
- like he was going to get a chance to sit in the P-63
- in Palm Springs.

Oh.. by the by.. I was at the last air show too.. were you there?

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 03:11 AM
That was the plan, but I didn't make it. Next time for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:28 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- I still do fairly well in my P-39, and like I siad.
- Its the slowest 1944 aircraft.


i dont rate top speed as all these WW2 planes are slow acceleraters over 300

wot use is top speed ?
to me its for running away & why run Gibbage when you can take em in a Turn Fight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif D D D

the P-63 is gunna Rawk

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:56 AM
The problem is NOT running. I love getting into furballs. The problem is CATCHING people who run. Typically FW-190's run, with a few 109's. Unless I have a diving run, I cant catch them. Yak's and LA's dont run. They tend to fight.

Ow ya. A good 109 pilot CAN out turn me. Ask Aristo. I cant fight him to save my life, even with a 2000M advantage. He gets on my 6 in 2 turns in a 109 G/AS

Gib

WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- Gibbage1 wrote:
-- I still do fairly well in my P-39, and like I siad.
-- Its the slowest 1944 aircraft.
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- i dont rate top speed as all these WW2 planes are
- slow acceleraters over 300
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- wot use is top speed ?
- to me its for running away & why run Gibbage when
- you can take em in a Turn Fight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif D D D
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:58 AM
I have not tried Franks Hobby. I typically visit Kelly's Hobby's in Tustin, or Bristol Hobby's.

As for Chino, I visit quite often. They let me on the P-80 in the Jet hanger to do research for my P-80 model and they are working on a flyable P-39 in the restoration hanger. Awesome place.

Gib

tagert wrote:
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- You live in the OC? Is FRANKS hobby shop still there
- in orange of orange? Anyway.. you didnt have to go
- all the way to plam springs!! CHINO has a beter
- selection to see.. Buildings are not as nice as palm
- spings.. but aircraft are better... On that note the
- palm springs and chio share aircraft sometimes..
-
- The neat thing about chino is they have the last
- flyable ZERO that has the orginal power plant... The
- Northrup wing from 1937... A JAP version of the
- Me163.. The only one left in the world so Im told...
- interesting story there.. The germans sent two subs
- to JAPAN with 1/2 (rear) and the other 1/2 (front)
- another.. The one with the front got sunk, so the
- japs had to improvise the front.. Oh.. And if your
- interested, they take one ac out and fly it on the
- fist sat or sun of each month... I know I forgetting
- something.. Oh they have a He163 too.. and the
- restore ac there.. really neat place a must see! And
- much closer than palm springs.. I live in NORCO and
- the planes from Chino fly over my house at least
- twice a month.. nutting like mowing the lawn and you
- look up and see and hear a P51 zooming by low enough
- to where you can see the pilots head.
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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 06:51 AM
Gib,

Two turns? Sounds like some slider action../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 07:32 AM
No. I know the guy. He is a good guy. I use voice coms with him all the time. He is just good. He uses combat flaps and good combat manuvers. Typically im a yank and bank flyer and good tactics will beat that all the time.

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 07:54 AM
Don't forget, the P-63 has a two stage supercharger, that actually gives the Allison good high altitude performance, even by USAAF standards.

From what I understand, the primary limitation of the P-63 was it's relatively low top speeds (in a time when we had 460mph aircraft in production, and 487 mph aircraft coming down the pipe), and very short range.

Aside from that, the P-63 is likely the best USAAF battlefield air superiorety fighter of the war, but that was a role we had no use for.

From what I understand, the Russians were very enthusiastic about it, and bought it in numbers compairable to the P-39 in 1944, but they arrived to late to see much notable action.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 09:47 AM
id take a p47M or N over a p63 anyday. those jugs could do 500 mph in level flight.
P.S. where is big bear? im in san jose. 1 hour south of san francisco.
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 10:18 AM
tagert wrote:
- fjuff79 wrote:
-- Firs time I got to know the Airacobra was in
-- a flight simulator I think was named 1942, still got
-- it somewere,anybody remember this one?
-
- Pacific Air War (PAW) 1942.. I remember it well..
- but I dont remember a P39 in there? Mostly NAVY
- stuff... Is that the one?
-
Yes and the Airacobra was a AI plane only.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 10:56 AM
Big Bear is in So-Cal just south of LA. In the San Bernideno mountian range.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:25 PM
As I was reading this thread, the Discovery Wings channel was tuned in on my TV. And guess what they were talking about? Yep, the P-39. They reported that Soviet pilots claimed that nothing could touch the P-39 under 10,00 feet, in climb, speed, and manuverabilty. Maybe it's not to uber after all. lol

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:07 AM
Striker-PBNA wrote:
- Maybe it's not to uber after all. lol

the tests Oleg uses for info show : .....

RL P-39 climb to 5000m = 8.07 min

FB P-39 climb to 5000m = 4.27 min

not Uber at all .... LMAO

Buzz_25th
10-08-2003, 04:31 AM
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10-08-2003, 09:46 AM
Striker-PBNA wrote:
- As I was reading this thread, the Discovery Wings
- channel was tuned in on my TV. And guess what they
- were talking about? Yep, the P-39. They reported
- that Soviet pilots claimed that nothing could touch
- the P-39 under 10,00 feet, in climb, speed, and
- manuverabilty. Maybe it's not to uber after all. lol

I think it was really this great,



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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:03 PM
we already have the P-63......why not work on something else like the Hawker Tempest ro something else..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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