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FZG_Warg
12-30-2003, 07:09 AM
Has anyone noticed that armament of lagg3 41' in game is qiute incorrect...
Type 4 should have only one MG BS not two .
This one in FB has one 20mm shvak, 2x shkas 7,62 mm and 2 x BS 12,7mm
It should have 12,7 mm instead of 20mm or one BS less
What do others think about that?... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif pls write

FZG_Warg
12-30-2003, 07:09 AM
Has anyone noticed that armament of lagg3 41' in game is qiute incorrect...
Type 4 should have only one MG BS not two .
This one in FB has one 20mm shvak, 2x shkas 7,62 mm and 2 x BS 12,7mm
It should have 12,7 mm instead of 20mm or one BS less
What do others think about that?... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif pls write

blabla0001
12-30-2003, 07:32 AM
There where various armament types of the LaGG3 '41, Oleg picked the one with the most guns to put in the game.

clint-ruin
12-30-2003, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FZG_Warg:
Has anyone noticed that armament of lagg3 41' in game is qiute incorrect...
Type 4 should have only one MG BS not two .
This one in FB has one 20mm shvak, 2x shkas 7,62 mm and 2 x BS 12,7mm
It should have 12,7 mm instead of 20mm or one BS less
What do others think about that?... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif pls write<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to wio.ru that is indeed the armament of the Lagg 3 Series 4. Starting at Series 16 it went to 1xUBS, 1xShVAK. WIO's down right now so I can't check for certain, though.

Worth noting that the S4 was a pre-manufacturing base shift aircraft, not one of the 'problem' quality control ones. Kind of like the Hungarian [?] 109K4s we have in the game :>

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

BfHeFwMe
12-30-2003, 10:12 AM
There was more than one plant producing this series in more than one configuration. Five gun variant is a legit machine.

FZG_Warg
12-30-2003, 06:13 PM
ok..check then this site
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/lagg-3-more.html
What do you think?

clint-ruin
12-30-2003, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FZG_Warg:
ok..check then this site
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/lagg-3-more.html
What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we're very fortunate that Oleg does not model things based on what some random site on the internet says.

IE, http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=16410749

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

blabla0001
12-30-2003, 08:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FZG_Warg:
ok..check then this site
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/lagg-3-more.html
What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the case is closed since Oleg already said a long time ago that he picked the one with the most gun and put it in the game and that he is not going to change it.

BfHeFwMe
12-30-2003, 10:03 PM
Wait till he finds out the five gun Lagg41 manufactured at Zavod(factory) #23 was not only better armed but faster and climbed better than any other 41 series and even the early 42 model. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Of course this factory was located in Leningrad, so had to shut down, why the difference, simply they were a real factory with experianced workers. Lagg production had to pick up the slack elswhere under tougher conditions with new workers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JtD
12-31-2003, 04:44 AM
http://mitglied.lycos.de/jaytdee/LaGG3S4.jpg

[This message was edited by JtD on Sat May 08 2004 at 06:05 AM.]

FZG_Warg
12-31-2003, 05:39 AM
Yes but the problem is that data in FB (view objects) says that lagg3 41' has 1x20mm +
1x12,7mm +2x7,62 mm ,but in a game when you fly it, it has 1x 20 mm, 2x12,7mm + 2x7,62mm .....it is one BS 12,7 mm too much in a game. That is one heavy MG we re talking about.
But there is another variant with 5 guns:
2x 7,62mm , 3x12,7mm ....but not 20mm

blabla0001
12-31-2003, 06:02 AM
Object viewer has more mistakes then this one.

But it has been discussed several times already, even before Forgotten Battles was released and Oleg said that they picked this type because it was the best of all LaGG3's '41 types.

Vipez-
12-31-2003, 09:28 AM
Oleg modelled the Lagg with most heavier armament.. in real life only few peaces of Lagg3s with 5 guns were made, and probably never saw combat. The five gun Lagg3 had very heavy nose, for allready underpowered Lagg-3 it would have mean it would have been even less manouvarable. And I don't think he even counted the weight of the 2-3 extra guns on the nose, if you would add the extra 150 kg on the nose It would make Lagg'3 even crappier airplane..

Fortunalety, Oleg has toned down lagg'3s perfomance in 1.21, now its quite crappy as it should be. In FB 1.11 Lagg3 was the best plane for 1941-servers. So if you want to survive stay away from the Lagg3's forward guns http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Willey
12-31-2003, 10:04 AM
Oleg would be good to add some loadouts which let us choose which guns are in there. At least, it makes sense then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

BfHeFwMe
12-31-2003, 10:05 AM
You best check your sources again, five gun laggs were amongst the very first in combat. The Leningrad factory was also home to the design team, it was the other secondary plants having trouble getting production rolling being distant from the brains with all the fast paced prototype design changes. Zavod 23 was already experianced having previously produced I-16's, sure, the lagg was pushed hard and fast so had teething problems, but they were solved much quicker at the home plant. Leningrad put out the best and quickest production for the time they had until orders moved the tooling east.

This is one of the reasons there's so many various early types, the other plants couldn't keep up with design changes so eventually made local design decisions themselves.

FZG_Warg
01-02-2004, 10:54 AM
But I still don think that any 20mm+ 2x12,7mm + 2x 7,62mm variant existed in a battle ever ....but I will search further for any data.

Bobsqueek
01-02-2004, 01:06 PM
they probably were produced in that config, and saw combat but might have guns removed to improve performance

many aircraft were field modified at squadron or individual basis, so its hard to find out whats 'official' armament or not

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blabla0001
01-02-2004, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FZG_Warg:
But I still don think that any 20mm+ 2x12,7mm + 2x 7,62mm variant existed in a battle ever ....but I will search further for any data.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well good luck with your crusade.

BfHeFwMe
01-02-2004, 04:37 PM
Production plans called for installation of a Taubin MP-6 23mm cannon with 80 rounds thru the hub, gun wasn't ready or avaliable, otherwise the first production varient would have been even heavier armed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Your going to have to verify if in fact they modeled a SVAK 20 or correctly modeled BK 12.7 heavy thru the hub. How can you tell it's in fact a 20 in game?

FZG_Warg
01-02-2004, 05:09 PM
can't you see the difference when you fire BS 12,7 mm or 20 mm ...the tracers of 20mm are slower and diferent colour damage is heavier...most people here can se difference ...

Flakwalker
01-02-2004, 05:15 PM
The initial versions of the LaGG-3 was armed with a 23mm cannon, 2x hmg and 2x mg, however this make the plane to be so heavy so it was replaced by a 20mm and in the rudder some ballast was added.
The actuall weapons are ok, however the lightened ones are welcome too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
The only error on the LaGG-3 armament is that the texture of the right hmg hole is not in place.

blabla0001
01-02-2004, 05:21 PM
Most people can also read.

I already said that it has been discussed several times before and Oleg replied in these threads saying that there where many variations and they picked the best one of them all and put them in the game.

It's not going to be changed since the LaGG3 '41 weapons discussion was during the Original IL2 and it was ported over to Forgotten Battles with the same weapons.