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castiel_gabriel
04-05-2011, 11:37 AM
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Mugoof
04-05-2011, 11:56 AM
Well i think:

-Dungeon
-Academy or the Conflux (Elementals) reconstructed
-Rampart
-Some kinda mechanical Related faction with primitive rifles & Black powder

Shawn85
04-05-2011, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Mugoof:
Well i think:

-Dungeon
-Academy or the Conflux (Elementals) reconstructed
-Rampart
-Some kinda mechanical Related faction with primitive rifles & Black powder

Academy needs to stay as close to their original theme as possible, if anything needs to be reconstructed its sylvan/dungeon

castiel_gabriel
04-08-2011, 10:20 AM
updated fortress ability and Fenrir also hope they put at least a werewolf somewhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

markeneeter
05-12-2011, 07:35 AM
I don't like e wherewolf as a tier 7 creature, though I agree with you that it should be ingame, mayby as neutral, mayby as an expansion faction creature.
You basilisk looks to much like the heroe 3 one or the crocolisk from WoW, in other mythologie a basilisk is half snake half rooster (male chicken, dont know exactly how to write it)
http://www.occultopedia.com/images_/basilisk_red2.jpg
or
http://www.virtualworldlets.net/Papers/Hosted/Basilisk/basilisk4b.gif
though this might look to much like your tier1 creature
(I liked the heroes3 basilisk very much, so it might be an alternative)

Justice
05-12-2011, 07:45 AM
Fenris a... werewolf? I feel my ancestors screaming in rage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir

Fenris or Fenrir, whatever you call him, is way cooler and more intimidating than any werewolf ever could be. He bites of Tżr's hand and will consume Óšin himself!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

goznik
05-12-2011, 03:45 PM
My 2 cents:
Tier1 - The fire giant is way too big to be a tier 1 unit.
Tier 2 - Okay,Its like in heroes 5 but a different name.
Tier 3 - NO more creatures that look like women, thats boring the sancuary has like 3 of them.
Tier 4 - I love the basilisk , but your drawing looks like a dragon it looks way too powerfull.
Tier 5 - Looks cool but again, looks like a higher tier unit.
Tier 6 - Cool, not sure how it fits but okay.
Tier 7 - A creepy one like this is better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Odin_and_Fenris.jpg
A werewolf like in your picture can be a low tier creature.

Myster_Guile
05-12-2011, 11:06 PM
Well I gotta say I like the idea of a more Norse themed faction, thats a mythology not really (if at all, come to think of it, well dwarves I guess) touched on in Heroes. Fire Giant does seem more like a tier 6 or 7, though I do like it, I don't think it particularly fits in. While I don't have a problem with female unit types, the Rusalka is too similar to Nymphs/Dryads for my liking.

I would very much like to see the return of the Basilisk, more like the Heroes 3 version. Markeneeter's cockatrice suggestion is nice too (which is what he's really talking about, a cockatrice is a chicken-dragon that turns people to stone through gaze or breath, a basilisk is a 6 legged lizard that turns people to stone through its venom) and I wouldn't mind seeing one or the other, but they're too similar to have both I think and I would like to see either with stone turning powers rather than defensive caster or anything like that.

I would really like to see a Jormungand or Midgar Solmyr as a high tier unit, I like the Valkyrie too but I'm not sure how well that fits in with this line up either, I think it would fit in better with a more human line-up and possibly as the top tier. And I REALLY love the idea of the Fenrir as top tier creature, though I don't love the werewolf looking depiction you chose. I'd want to see him much more beast, with no man-like physical traits (because he ain't no werewolf), possibly frost like powers, freezing breath or what have you.

castiel_gabriel
05-13-2011, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by Myster_Guile:
Well I gotta say I like the idea of a more Norse themed faction, thats a mythology not really (if at all, come to think of it, well dwarves I guess) touched on in Heroes. Fire Giant does seem more like a tier 6 or 7, though I do like it, I don't think it particularly fits in. While I don't have a problem with female unit types, the Rusalka is too similar to Nymphs/Dryads for my liking.

I would very much like to see the return of the Basilisk, more like the Heroes 3 version. Markeneeter's cockatrice suggestion is nice too (which is what he's really talking about, a cockatrice is a chicken-dragon that turns people to stone through gaze or breath, a basilisk is a 6 legged lizard that turns people to stone through its venom) and I wouldn't mind seeing one or the other, but they're too similar to have both I think and I would like to see either with stone turning powers rather than defensive caster or anything like that.

I would really like to see a Jormungand or Midgar Solmyr as a high tier unit, I like the Valkyrie too but I'm not sure how well that fits in with this line up either, I think it would fit in better with a more human line-up and possibly as the top tier. And I REALLY love the idea of the Fenrir as top tier creature, though I don't love the werewolf looking depiction you chose. I'd want to see him much more beast, with no man-like physical traits (because he ain't no werewolf), possibly frost like powers, freezing breath or what have you.

This is old (I realized it had no synergy so i've been working on update http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif wait for it ) i'll post the update or i should say work in progress that i've been working on for couple time tell me your impression on this one instead

Myster_Guile
05-13-2011, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by castiel_gabriel:

This is old (I realized it had no synergy so i've been working on update http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif wait for it ) i'll post the update or i should say work in progress that i've been working on for couple time tell me your impression on this one instead

Heh I know its not "current" just puttin in some feedback on it. I could easily see you splitting this in to 2 factions though as I mentioned, humanoid norse and norse beasts. Anyway looking forward to seeing what you come back with.

castiel_gabriel
05-13-2011, 09:43 AM
Heh I know its not "current" just puttin in some feedback on it. I could easily see you splitting this in to 2 factions though as I mentioned, humanoid norse and norse beasts. Anyway looking forward to seeing what you come back with.

Don't worry man you just caught me when i was around putting the update i thank you for your feedback gave me some idea but for now I'll post this by the way I'm getting a coffee (with a little extra http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) cheers if you drinking anything

Infiltrator-SF
05-13-2011, 10:03 AM
This is amazing. I'm actually reading this.. Trolling is a art.

castiel_gabriel
05-13-2011, 10:11 AM
with time i changed my concept for the faction cause i think every faction should have a unique feel to it but not only when you see it but also when you play it and the second is harder believe me. I made fortress still a defensive faction but they can pretty much take on offensive. Only drawback is that it take time witch make sense (A defending army should wait for the best opportunity before launching counter-attack)

This is the update for fortress http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Still having so much fun doing this it's becoming addictive

castiel_gabriel
05-13-2011, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Justice:
Fenris a... werewolf? I feel my ancestors screaming in rage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir

Fenris or Fenrir, whatever you call him, is way cooler and more intimidating than any werewolf ever could be. He bites of Tżr's hand and will consume Óšin himself!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I'm starting to see you're point when i look at the new picture sometime werewolf seem stronger and other time fenrir seem to be stronger hmmm mind bogging

markeneeter
05-14-2011, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Myster_Guile:

I would very much like to see the return of the Basilisk, more like the Heroes 3 version. Markeneeter's cockatrice suggestion is nice too (which is what he's really talking about, a cockatrice is a chicken-dragon that turns people to stone through gaze or breath, a basilisk is a 6 legged lizard that turns people to stone through its venom)

I guess you'r right on that one, but in different sources the names are different as well.
The pictures on the wikipedia tell both storys, not so much the englisch page, but the dutch one ( My caunty yay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif). (look for languages at the left edge of the screen then click 'Nederlands') basilisk wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilisk)

castiel_gabriel
05-14-2011, 04:08 PM
now this faction getting me really excited it becoming my baby mother faction Norse unit are too good i really hope that a Norse faction gonna be made in expansion. Now let keep it cool. Deep breath

Can anyone help me with this. I'm having trouble finding a tier 2 Norse unit with a magic breaking feel to it ?????

Myster_Guile
05-14-2011, 04:43 PM
I think you are getting a better, more consistent theme now, humans and winter-beasts I think are the way to go. With that in mind, I'd suggest moving the Havoc Riders down a tier and going with Frost Giant and moving them up one, party just so you don't have two giant wolves in a row, but also because I think Frost Giant could/should be that near the top and then definitely going with the top left depiction of Fafnir for the tier 7 unit. Maybe just some sort of axe or spear wielding humanoid warrior for tier two, like a Huskarl or a Berserker, just to achieve some sort of balance in their distribution.

Ro.Floro
05-15-2011, 02:26 AM
I REALLY like the Odin havoc rider. But he must have almost everything from the first artwork and the helmet from the third one, plus an AXE. And the 3rd elite unit, NO. We already have a giant and that is the Earth elemental...we don't want copies of it with different specialisations....not nice, even if it has ice instead of earth...the Bulls will go better with the build http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WaterPoloLaw
05-15-2011, 03:17 PM
I have always thought that they way to best redo the Heroes V dwarves would be to incorporate them with Norse Mythology. I also like a lot of the ideas stated. I have always thought it should go more like this.

Core Teir --

1. Einherjar/Einherjar Champion -- Slow but powerful core melee unit for the fortress. Dwarven warriors that weild two doublebladed axes. Heavily armored. Black armor. Helmets look like skulls and have ram horns.


2. Valkyrie/Valkyrie Priestess -- Core support unit with fire and healing abilities.Has wings and can fl similar to norse swan maidens.

3. Jörmungandr - snakes that spit venom. Core ranged unit.

Elite Units

4. Troll/Hammartroll -- Elite, two-headed monster that throws stones. (Ranged unit).

5. Fenris -- large, giant wolf/werewolf.

6. Thayne -- Similar to the Odin Havoc Rider. Large dwarf with lightning and fire abilities. Rides a giant bear.

Champion Unit

7. Fire Giant. -- Need I say more.

Ro.Floro
05-16-2011, 03:33 AM
Also I have a great idea for the champion unit of Dungeon. I hope I can do something about that soon enough.

BlueLore
05-16-2011, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by castiel_gabriel:
Do you think sky breaker should be elite cause it feel like all lizard are stuck to core (It feel like their is a demarcation)?

I think it could be a core unit,because you've got the valkyrie already as flying elite unit.
But you could move up the basilisk one tier,I mean after all the basilisk is not only one of the most dangerous creatures in mythology,but it is also said to be the king of snakes,so it is kinda weird to have him in the same tier as the (ice)snake.

castiel_gabriel
05-16-2011, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by BlueLore:
I think it could be a core unit,because you've got the Valkyrie already as flying elite unit.
But you could move up the basilisk one tier,I mean after all the basilisk is not only one of the most dangerous creatures in mythology,but it is also said to be the king of snakes,so it is kinda weird to have him in the same tier as the (ice)snake.

Fair enough i was considering moving ambeon drake but basilisk is a good idea to

BlueLore
05-17-2011, 09:23 AM
I think the new one is better,it looks like it is more balanced in terms of flyers,because 2 elite flyers are kinda weird.
And I would use the dwarf instead of the golem,because the dwarves look more like wikings.

markeneeter
05-17-2011, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by WaterPoloLaw:
I have always thought that they way to best redo the Heroes V dwarves would be to incorporate them with Norse Mythology. I also like a lot of the ideas stated. I have always thought it should go more like this.

Core Teir --

1. Einherjar/Einherjar Champion -- Slow but powerful core melee unit for the fortress. Dwarven warriors that weild two doublebladed axes. Heavily armored. Black armor. Helmets look like skulls and have ram horns.


2. Valkyrie/Valkyrie Priestess -- Core support unit with fire and healing abilities.Has wings and can fl similar to norse swan maidens.

3. Jörmungandr - snakes that spit venom. Core ranged unit.

Elite Units

4. Troll/Hammartroll -- Elite, two-headed monster that throws stones. (Ranged unit).

5. Fenris -- large, giant wolf/werewolf.

6. Thayne -- Similar to the Odin Havoc Rider. Large dwarf with lightning and fire abilities. Rides a giant bear.

Champion Unit

7. Fire Giant. -- Need I say more.

We've been playing AOM a lot, hav'nt we?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

castiel_gabriel
05-17-2011, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by markeneeter:
We've been playing AOM a lot, hav'nt we?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Know that you mention it I really see it in his lineup That was an great game to bad they don't make a second one (Big strategy game fan here)

castiel_gabriel
05-17-2011, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by BlueLore:
I think the new one is better,it looks like it is more balanced in terms of flyers,because 2 elite flyers are kinda weird.
And I would use the dwarf instead of the golem,because the dwarves look more like wikings.

I only miss the ambeon drake i think it would have been a cool idea but maybe it feel to new or not might magic enough

markeneeter
05-18-2011, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by castiel_gabriel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by markeneeter:
We've been playing AOM a lot, hav'nt we?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Know that you mention it I really see it in his lineup That was an great game to bad they don't make a second one (Big strategy game fan here) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, they should refresh the game with better graphics and the lot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif It was my first game.

Thumbs up for AOM!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

castiel_gabriel
05-18-2011, 10:11 PM
What do you think? need any change? (ability also)

Thunion
05-19-2011, 03:16 AM
I agree with you, they should refresh the game with better graphics and the lot. whisper It was my first game.

Thumbs up for AOM!! Thumbs Up Clap
yeah AOM was awesome game, AOM 2 would be somthing awesome.

castiel_gabriel
05-19-2011, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Thunion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I agree with you, they should refresh the game with better graphics and the lot. whisper It was my first game.

Thumbs up for AOM!! Thumbs Up Clap
yeah AOM was awesome game, AOM 2 would be something awesome. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

why didn't they do a second one like AOE (it had many installment) can someone explain me that. It's not like it was a deceiving game

markeneeter
05-20-2011, 05:30 AM
anyway, were going a little off-topic here so to return to a previous question: I think theat there should be more details on abilities and the lot. Like the venom spitting water-snake whos name has escaped me could have a poison effect, and when upgraded a paralizing effect added.

oh, I remember!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


3. Jörmungandr - snakes that spit venom. Core ranged unit.

castiel_gabriel
05-20-2011, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by markeneeter:
anyway, were going a little off-topic here so to return to a previous question: I think theat there should be more details on abilities and the lot. Like the venom spitting water-snake whos name has escaped me could have a poison effect, and when upgraded a paralizing effect added.

oh, I remember!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 3. Jörmungandr - snakes that spit venom. Core ranged unit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good one mate good one


I updated abilities thank for the reminder they were a lot of flaws in them. Maybe i need to simplify them to.

markeneeter
05-23-2011, 01:19 AM
Your tier6 unit is some kind of bird warrior, but the Harpy already excists in the stronghold faction, so mayby an alternitive will be needed??

BlueLore
05-23-2011, 06:52 AM
I think,thats not much of a problem,I mean after all the skybreaker,is even more bird like,with a black feathers(since he is a raven) and uses weapons in combat.

castiel_gabriel
05-23-2011, 01:14 PM
I think he fits better has a tier 2 but i kind like this unit even if harpies exist in orc i think there is enough differentiation between the two unit (harpies look more like a savage beast and this one would be the more civilized armed beast) to be viable. Also their identity are different one his a sneak attacker while the other is a heavy magic breaker. I'll try to look if there his nothing better. It's always worth tcheking and rethinking

castiel_gabriel
10-01-2011, 02:24 PM
beta over all that is left is imagination

I'm hesitating now maybe i should orient this faction toward fire since ARKATH is a fire dragon

But then again it would add another fire faction with inferno

Adolf99
10-08-2011, 03:42 AM
Dwarf warrior - Rune dwarf

Valkyrie - Valkyrie priest

Viking - Berserker

Fenrir - Fenrir ascendant

Odin Havoc rider - Odin Havoc champion

Sky breaker - Rune breaker

Snowman - Yeti

castiel_gabriel
09-19-2012, 09:38 PM
This game is missing some faction :(

NeoMechan
09-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Please no more female units anywhere.

This game already has way too many female units, it's starting to look silly.

castiel_gabriel
01-14-2013, 11:33 PM
Seem we are not going toward a Norse faction but a remake of the h5 fortress according to the compendium :(