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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:32 PM
This question has probably been asked hundreds of times, but what graphics card should i spend my money on. My computer's spec is:
P4 2.66GHz
256Mb DDR RAM
Geforce 4 MX420
Windows XP
I can spend about 170/$290.
I'm also planning to get more memory. Should upgrade to 768Mb or will 512Mb be enough?
Hopefully in less than a month I should be playing FB the way its supposed to be played /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:32 PM
This question has probably been asked hundreds of times, but what graphics card should i spend my money on. My computer's spec is:
P4 2.66GHz
256Mb DDR RAM
Geforce 4 MX420
Windows XP
I can spend about 170/$290.
I'm also planning to get more memory. Should upgrade to 768Mb or will 512Mb be enough?
Hopefully in less than a month I should be playing FB the way its supposed to be played /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

To be able to fare well,
To avoid the frustration of misfortune,
That, in this world, is happiness.
-Euripides' Electra

michapma
07-03-2003, 01:39 PM
Right off the top of my head that won't get you an ATI 9700 yet. The price of the GeForce 4 cards is about in that range now, and you might look into some GeForce FX cards?

Sorry,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:44 PM
Best bet, IMHO, is probably a Radeon 9500 Pro. If you can afford it, get the 9700. However, I think that a 9700 would cost more than 170 quid.

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ZG77_Nagual
07-03-2003, 01:44 PM
For under $290 you can get the 9700 pro - or the 9700 non-pro.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 01:58 PM
$299.00 gets you the 9700 pro or 9800 non pro here in the States. I checked it yesterday and that's retail, not discounted.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:28 PM
9500 Pro 128mb is $134 at www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com)

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 04:50 PM
get a 9700 non-pro. It's ~200? here. And another 512MB RAM.


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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:23 PM
Hey Ed,

I don't know what prices are like in the U.K. but here in the U.S.
the Radeon 9800(just released), and the 9700 Pro are available
for right at $290. The 9700 series cards and above are in a
different performance class compared to everything else. Even
the 9500 Pro, which is an excellent card is second rate compared
to a 9700 Pro.

Here are a couple of low U.S. prices from Price Watch. Probably
won't help you, but here that are just the same.

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/simprod.asp?pid=7433

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=14-102-246

New Egg is a reliable dealer, I don't know anything about Allstarshop.

It's nice to have a $290 budget for a video card /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good Luck

sT



Edited for a typo.

Message Edited on 07/03/0311:41AM by schwarzer_Tod

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:35 PM
I'll have to second Willey and say that you should go for the 9700 non-pro and spend the rest on memory. My brother has a 9700 non-pro and its quite the performer. Just make sure you use the 3.4 drivers and not the new 3.5s. A lot of his games have had weird problems with shadows ever since he installed it.

If you would like to go with an nVidia solution then your best bet is a 5600 ULTRA. Make sure its and ultra because the non-ultra only outperforms a 4200 when AA and AF are turned on. Though even that would be a lot faster than your MX.

You can get a 9700 non pro for $230 and an FX 5600 ultra for about $215 or less at Newegg. These guys are very reliable. I've built about 15 computers from scratch by buying components from these guys and they always ship fast and without problems. Only once did they slip and sent me an Athlon MP processor instead of an XP and as soon as I contacted them, they told me to return the MP and they shipped me the XP at no cost.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:45 PM
Grab a Ti4200 and some extra ram, once installed, ask me how to enable cheat-mode. Once set up, you can laugh at all the people who spent too much money on high-end cards.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:49 PM
Sorry Axyun, but the 5600 Ultra just isn't in the same
class as the 9700. It isn't a bad card, but it is slower
than a 9500 Pro, and more expensive.

sT

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 05:55 PM
I've found that if you are on a budget, it is better to buy a $50 card every six months than to buy a $200-300 card once every 1 or 2 years. If you can afford a $300 card every 6 months, great. But if you're like me then the discount rack is probebly the best route. If you can afford to spend $130 per year, the 9500 pro is the best choice, if you need to spend less than $100, go with a 9200 pro. They are cheaper than dirt now and more than enough to run FB at excellent settings.

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Message Edited on 07/03/0311:57AM by Maj_Death

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 06:13 PM
I upgraded from a similar system, and the extra 256 ram made more of a difference than the card. FB runs a lot better with 512.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:13 PM
Check out www.ocsystem.com (http://www.ocsystem.com) I have many, many purchases with them and they are a good company.

The ATI 9700 is $208 and the Pro is $276.



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:26 PM
schwarzer_Tod wrote:
- Sorry Axyun, but the 5600 Ultra just isn't in the
- same
- class as the 9700. It isn't a bad card, but it is
- slower
-
- than a 9500 Pro, and more expensive.
-
-
- sT
-
-

You are right about that but the current 5600 ultras are being replaced with faster versions for the same price

Currently, the 5600s are clocked at 350 core and 700 memory. The new 5600s are clocked at 400 and 800. That makes it faster than a 9600 pro and slightly faster than a 9500 pro. And while the 9700 pro is in a class of its own, a 9700 non-pro is not much faster than a 9500 pro.

Plus, the 5600s are relatively new. In a few weeks they will probably be at sub 200 prices.