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PanzerAce
07-11-2008, 12:18 AM
Seriously,that is how bad I am at flying these things. I can use Mustangs, Jugs, Yaks, Lavochkins, -190s, basically anything BUT the -109. I can't seem to figure out how it is supposed to be flown.


Any advice for me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

WTE_Galway
07-11-2008, 12:56 AM
my preferred plane ... especially the Emils and F2/F4

Maybe explain what you are trying to do ..are you talking online or offline and which 109 and what is going wrong ????

alert_1
07-11-2008, 12:56 AM
I'm not a dedicated Me109 pilot nevertleless I try: use your climb instead of speed (cemented elevator above 400km/h), especially spiral climb, the best climb speed is 260km/h,you combat flaps briefly if needed, use TRIM on rataries or mouse wheel and practise elevator triming a lot to get right feeling for a given dive speed.Me109E/F/G are fine fighters in its years (Me109F/G even in '44!), but with G,K troubles arrives...evade Me109G6 as a plague, much worse then G2 or F4, as for joy setup I use 100% all the way to be able to fight on the verge of spin if needed.
Hope this help a little.

WTE_Pharoah
07-11-2008, 01:02 AM
lol my problem is the Mustang!! I stall it almost every time.

PanzerAce
07-11-2008, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
my preferred plane ... especially the Emils and F2/F4

Maybe explain what you are trying to do ..are you talking online or offline and which 109 and what is going wrong ????

Online, any model. The Emils I have a little more luck with on the early war maps, but I don't do anything different than say if I was flying a late war La or something :/

Alert: I've never gotten a good climb out of a 109, is it just a matter of firewalling the throttle and keeping it at 260?

Xiolablu3
07-11-2008, 05:07 AM
The 109 climbs very well at lower speeds and a high angle, whereas in other planes like the FW190 you keep it at high speed to climb well.

K_Freddie
07-11-2008, 08:02 AM
Most probably your stick settings.. The ME109 is more lenient on 'violent' stick movements, compared to those other planes you've mentioned.
You might have very tame settings and so cannot get the most out of the Messy.
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RegRag1977
07-11-2008, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Most probably your stick settings.. The ME109 is more lenient on 'violent' stick movements, compared to those other planes you've mentioned.
You might have very tame settings and so cannot get the most out of the Messy.
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Exactly, and this is why i recommend you this utility, Panzer.

IL2joycontrol: it will help you greatly if you give yourself the time to learn how to use it.
It takes time to find the right settings, but it's worth it!

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1021

DKoor
07-11-2008, 01:42 PM
I put everything on 100 and haven't looked back.

stalkervision
07-11-2008, 02:03 PM
The 109 is King of vertical manauvers imo.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Manauvering wise in other ways it isn't half bad either.

RegRag1977
07-11-2008, 02:12 PM
Hi Dkoor,

The interesting thing with IL2JoyControl is actually that you can go ABOVE 100 and that you can filter any axe (even rotaries and sliders!!) INDEPENDANTLY.

Try it and you will soon discover that the 109 can be a wicked, responsive and stable sniper beast...

I've always wonder why this utility wasn't more recommended?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Maybe aces here don't want to share their tricks, they will tell you everything useful but not that there is a possibility to set your stick settings above 100...

I wonder why this utility was not considered as a cheat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif For me before and after JOYcontrol was something like before and after hotas, something like night and day: it shoud have been called UberControl http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But maybe am i over exagerating (it could be a placebo effect http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif) : you still have to be good to shoot AC down in the 109, but you will have more chance with IL2 Joycontrol IMHO

DKoor
07-11-2008, 02:33 PM
Thanks mate... I used IL2 Sticks, must get myself to play with this Joy Ctrl prog http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif .

PanzerAce
07-11-2008, 02:52 PM
Thanks guys, I think I've gotten the hang of it now. Ran a sortie in a 109, got five kills, didn't even get touched, then landed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I guess it's always easier when you sucker punch the opponent with 3 30mm cannons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

corpse_grinder1
07-11-2008, 04:08 PM
I love the 109. The Emils are my favorite but I think I fly all models quite well. To echo the thoughts of others here,the 109 in the vertical is an outstanding machine. The Emil even turns quite well....but I dont push my luck with this. Normally I will give one turn before climbing out to get more alt again....I never turn more than twice with the enemy.

WTE_Galway
07-13-2008, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by corpse_grinder1:
I love the 109. The Emils are my favorite but I think I fly all models quite well. To echo the thoughts of others here,the 109 in the vertical is an outstanding machine. The Emil even turns quite well....but I dont push my luck with this. Normally I will give one turn before climbing out to get more alt again....I never turn more than twice with the enemy.

Offline the Emil is also the most amazing AAA buster ... just come in lowish, back off to 50% throttle so its all nicely trimmed, drop the nose, whack the target gun with a couple of quick shots and pull up again. The mg ammo seems to last forever, its not unusualy to be able to wrack up 20 or 30 or more vehicles and guns in a single offline sortie.

VW-IceFire
07-13-2008, 07:43 PM
Well there are, in my mind, three 109s that you need to learn. The 109E, the 109F-2 through G-2, and the G-6 through K-4. The F-2, F-4, and G-2 are by far the most responsive having both the engine power and the maneuverability to really make them dominate in their years. The G-6 is a step backwards for handling but it can mount more powerful weaponry. From there on up you have types with steadily increasing performance in terms of climb and speed but decreasing ease of handling. The K-4 is one of the fastest climbing prop fighters but its handling is not fantastic.

The E series has good handling at speed and turns tightly at low speed but it isn't very responsive at low speeds so its best to keep it fast.

The trick is to learn how to half dogfight and half boom and zoom and then cater your balance towards one way or the other depending on the situation. The 109 is a flexible plane in that it can do both...depending on the situation and the opponent. Its a great high speed plane except when you want to turn tightly...its a good low speed plane in a tight turn but hates to do much else.

If you want to learn some real techniques...ask Vike. Superb 109 pilot and takes some great screen shots to show off what he means. Maybe a search would work as well.

MOH_MADMAN
07-14-2008, 01:40 AM
right and or even rudder, saddle from rt to left, trim 4 taps up, and lag lead till you see when you need to convert.

and watch your tail for spits, ponys, thunderbolts, and tempests.

PanzerAce
07-14-2008, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by MOH_MADMAN:
right and or even rudder, saddle from rt to left, trim 4 taps up, and lag lead till you see when you need to convert.

and watch your tail for spits, ponys, thunderbolts, and tempests.


That post means almost nothing to me.


Icefire: I've noticed what you mean with the mix of BnZ and TnB. Generally I get into a set of near continuous yoyos. Especially with the emils, against early war planes like the I-16, it gives you a huge target.

na85
07-14-2008, 09:07 AM
The spiral climb works really well for turning a defensive situation into an offensive one. Just make sure he doesn't have enough spank to actually zoom up to you- it works best when the other guy is trying to do a sustained climb.

One thing I've noticed flying 109's is that it's extremely important to be able to effectively judge an opponent's energy state. Much more so than in other rides. Underestimate it and you'll likely be picking 20mm shells out of your teeth. Overestimate it and you might find yourself struggling to pull out of a dive with your elevators locked up.

mortoma
07-14-2008, 10:30 AM
I was in a Yak-1D about a month ago and went up against a guy in a 109G2. We ended up in a tight circle fight at the edge of a stall the whole time. We went at it for about 10 minute and I got his engine smoking but the next pass he PK'd me. Anybody think this guy was using a mod cheat? I thought a Yak should turn much tighter than a G2, personally.

I will admit very little stick time in a Yak which might have contributed. I had not even touched a Yak for months. Plus this guy might have been a G2 master? Wish I could practice a lot in the Yak and go against him again. But I fly so infrequently online I doubt I'll see him again.

na85
07-14-2008, 12:35 PM
Were either of you yoyo-ing? Do you mean Yak-7D instead of yak1? IIRC the yak 7D is the uber long range version with big internal tanks. If you took any appreciable amount of fuel it would probably incur a serious weight penalty given the size of the tank. Additionally, most UFOG2 pilots never gas up, so it's likely he was at or below 25% fuel.