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Hristo_
01-28-2005, 01:34 AM
How much performance of Fw 190A do MK103s take away ?

Anyone tested it ?

Just thinking of taking up those cannons, since steel B-25 with super AI gunners are quite frequent lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hristo_
01-28-2005, 01:34 AM
How much performance of Fw 190A do MK103s take away ?

Anyone tested it ?

Just thinking of taking up those cannons, since steel B-25 with super AI gunners are quite frequent lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WOLFMondo
01-28-2005, 03:03 AM
I don't think there worth taking when you have the 108 option. Even then the 108's are heavier and affect roll a little but not as much as the gondolas.

Gibbage1
01-28-2005, 03:23 AM
Ya. Since Mk-108's are so nurfed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You only need to hit a B-25 a few times with a Mk-108 to bring her down. What are you complaining about?

Hristo_
01-28-2005, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. Since Mk-108's are so nurfed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You only need to hit a B-25 a few times with a Mk-108 to bring her down. What are you complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, are we touchy today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Don't put words in my mouth, nobody is complaining.

MK108s are fine, MG151/20s are fine, I just want to try out the Hispano's Hispano - the MK 103.

I'm just dreaming of a dead six approach and killing bombers from 1000 meters. What's wrong with that ?

WOLFMondo
01-28-2005, 03:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. Since Mk-108's are so nurfed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You only need to hit a B-25 a few times with a Mk-108 to bring her down. What are you complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did anyone see a whine here apart from yours gibbage? IRL they 190's used the gondolas, the question was whats the performance hit for carrying them? Not the 108's do not enough damage to B25's.

The190Flyer
01-28-2005, 06:32 AM
The 103's are more accurate than the 108's, also the 103's have more velocity than the 108's, they can pack a punch!

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p1ngu666
01-28-2005, 06:34 AM
at high alt, 7k, they arent worth it, the planes all slow and floppy, the mk108 is far better option, i dont know about medium low alt, id say try them out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

as a b25 driver, id say they arent too tough http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
01-28-2005, 06:52 AM
Tried once in an offline campaign. The result?

Well, let's just put it this way: I know now why Luftwaffe pilots hated the gunpods on their planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vipez-
01-28-2005, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. Since Mk-108's are so nurfed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You only need to hit a B-25 a few times with a Mk-108 to bring her down. What are you complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, are we touchy today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Don't put words in my mouth, nobody is complaining.

MK108s are fine, MG151/20s are fine, I just want to try out the Hispano's Hispano - the MK 103.

I'm just dreaming of a dead six approach and killing bombers from 1000 meters. What's wrong with that ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


except Mg151/20 is far from fine :P

p1ngu666
01-28-2005, 07:38 AM
well in a go229, they owned my b25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

luckly i did get the 229 with bombs, but he got me far more often http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Fehler
01-28-2005, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. Since Mk-108's are so nurfed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You only need to hit a B-25 a few times with a Mk-108 to bring her down. What are you complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He who has the nerve to label people "Luftwhiners..."

But if you would like to know, the MK103 shoots farther and has a larger punch than the 108, as it did IRL as well.

With the gondolas, you can stay out of effective AI gunner range long enough to hit a bomber. A human gunner can get you, but the AI seems to be limited to maximum EFFECTIVE range of the .50 cals, unlike human gunners who can hit at maximum RANGE.

And since we have G-force immune gunners that can track close in moving aircraft at near mach speeds, having good target range with a flat trajectory high explosive round is an advantage that can be used and should be employed by bomber interceptors.

When we have bomber cover up in JV44, I usually take the gondolas for interceptor duty. Dont dogfight with them, they make your plane feel really heavy in turns. That is why it is always good to have others at hand to help with the Ponys and Jugs.

SlickStick
01-28-2005, 09:25 PM
I still prefer the Mk 108s on my A9, even though the 103s might be more powerful. The performance drop is much less and the MK 108s do the job close enough for government work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

woofiedog
01-29-2005, 04:42 AM
http://www.inert-ord.net/luft02h/rounds_cmpr5.jpg

"B" € 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG 17 - Developed in 1936, the MG 17 was suitable for synchronized cowl mounting to shoot through the aircraft's own propellor. Air-cooled, recoil-operated and belt fed it used the standard Mauser 7.92mm cartridge. Used in fighter aircraft such as the Messerschmitt Bf 109-E.
"C" € 13mm MG 131 - By 1942 the 7.9mm light machine gun was considered obsolete as an aircraft weapon and was replaced by the MG 131. The 13mm MG 131 bullet is about three times heavier than that of the 7.92mm, but can be fired at a similar muzzle velocity. Hence the projectile retained
comparable ballistic characteristics with only a minor reduction in the rate of fire. A light weapon, with electrical firing which simplified synchronization, it was small enough to place in the same cowl
mounted position as the MG17. It continued to be used until the end of the war.

"E" € 20mm Oerlikon MG FF - Developed using the Swiss Oerlikon F as a basis, the MG FF saw widespread use in many German aircraft during the early air war in WWII, most notably in aircraft such as the Messerschmitt Bf109-E and Bf110-B. Although superseded soon after the end of 1940, it provided the Luftwaffe with a formidable punch against the British, who had yet to adopt aircraft weapons beyond the .30 caliber class.

The main drawback of the MG FF was its ballistic performance. Being very different from the 7.92mm MG 17 light machine guns installed on the same aircraft, the cumulative effect of concentrated fire was lost. (One of the drawbacks to non homogeneous armament.) With the development of the €œMine€ shell design, this disparity was reduced somewhat.

"D" € 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 - Although having high muzzle velocity, the MG 151/15 's size, low rate of fire and weight made it an impractical upgrade from the existing 13mm MG 131. However, it did provide a short term improvement over the existing 20mm MG FF cannon and was used in the Bf109-F fighter. The MG 151 was soon enlarged to 20mm caliber and quickly replaced the 15mm design.

"F" € 20mm Mauser MG151/20 - The excellent replacement to the MG FF and became the
primary aircraft weapon for the Luftwaffe from about 1942 to 1944, but since the Bf 109F carried only a single cannon, it proved insufficient to effectively counter the heavy bomber threat, forcing
designers to progress to 30mm types, as well as continue with more advanced aircraft designs like the FW 190 which could carry more guns.

"G" € MK 108 - Although having a lower ballistic performance, it was relatively light and compact. Fighters could carry two or even four MK 108s. This gun had a heavy punch and was an effective weapon to use against bombers such as the B-17. It saw late war service with aircraft types such as the Bf 109-G, Bf 110-G, FW 190, Me 163 rocket fighter and the Me 262 jet fighter.

"H" € MK101 / MK103 - Initially developed to attack bombers from a safe distance, the MK 101's weight and low rate of fire relegated it to use by ground attack aircraft, such as the Me 410 Hornisse, and Henschel Hs 129. These mounted the guns in special pods or bomb bay arrangements.
The MK103 was lighter than the MK101, with electric firing and a faster rare of fire. It was an excellent powerful weapon, but still too heavy to be carried by a fighter without considerable loss of performance. Consideration was given, the very end of the war, to mount a modified MK 103 in the Bf 109-K Messerschmitt but was never implemented. The Me 262-A Schwalbe jet fighter was evaluated using the 103 on a very limited basis.