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Jutocsa
02-10-2006, 08:30 AM
Hello everyone

As the title says too, Im in great need of someone with a camera, some free time, and will to help out a poor modeller who is stuck. Ive been hired by Oleg to work on the British buildings for Battle of Britain, unfortunately both him and me quickly ran out of proper reference, so the decision was made to ask the community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Of course all the reference guys will make it to the credits list.
If you live in (or close to ) Canterbury, Dover, Brighton, Portsmouth, Eastbourne, around Solent (preferably a sailor, cause thats about Solent Forts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) and of course - London, please drop me a mail.
Any WWII-era photos, plans!! are appreciated too so contact me if you think you can get these for landmark buildings
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer

Contact: szalai.viktor@saturnsoft.hu

Shrike_UK
02-10-2006, 08:42 AM
well in East London, all the unbombed buildings are still there now, my old house in East London was built in 1911. I watched a documentary about the blitz on sky and it seemed strange how the buildings were all the same as what i grew up in. i'll send you some pics of my old street, which is very classic for the area, you might want to ignore my subaru imprezza in them though, unless you wanna model that into bob too, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ianboys
02-10-2006, 08:46 AM
You have email http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hotspace
02-10-2006, 08:49 AM
My family comes from Brighton and were there during WWII. I'll dig around and I'll get back to you m8.

'edit'

I'll come up with a few things already for Brighton, but what I'll do m8 is to send you a PM at the HG's Site as it will be easier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KOM.Nausicaa
02-10-2006, 09:00 AM
Jutocsa do you know the book "Battle of Britain, then and now"? If not you should get it !

Jutocsa
02-10-2006, 09:02 AM
Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif As a matter of fact, I have a list of buildings I have to model, well at least tghe first batch. These are mostly landmark buildings, no general buildings right now.

Edit: Indeed it would make it easier if I posted the list. So..this is what I need now. Mind you, this is not a complete list of all buildings that going to be modeled, this is only what i have now.

LONDON -
Westminster Abbey
Buckingham Palace
National Gallery
British Museum
Tower Bridge
Tower of London
Senate House (would have been Hitler's HQ after invasion)
St. Paul's Cathedral
Hampton Court (like Petrodvorets next to London)

OUTSIDE LONDON -
Canterbury Cathedral
Dover Castle
Dover Docks
Solent forts (like small castles in sea next to Kronstadt - AA in
wartime)
Pier (make 1 type and use for Brighton, Portsmouth, Eastbourne etc).
Two areas of white cliffs - Dover and Seven Sisters/Beachy Head



@Ian: Got it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shrike_UK
02-10-2006, 09:11 AM
better tell us which landmarks u need then, St.Pauls Cathedral must be a definate

crazyivan1970
02-10-2006, 10:41 AM
You should contact Dunkelrun...if i got his name run. He wonders around these forums alot. Great guy and he might have something you need http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-10-2006, 11:09 AM
How far west are you planning to go? I can help with Dorset (Bournemouth - Weymouth - Portland - Bridport) but don't know if that would be of any use to you.

Jutocsa
02-10-2006, 12:12 PM
Frankly, I dont know yet. For now its all about those towns posted above, but later on it might go more to the west http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jasonbirder
02-10-2006, 12:13 PM
Just a thought but would be major coolness for a BOB scenario...what about the maunsell forts in the Thames Estuary as an object - Huge metal towers in the estuary on struts arranged in clusters and designed for use as AA/radar/Anti-shipping towers...now rusting away...I have loads of photos if anyone is interested

ploughman
02-10-2006, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
How far west are you planning to go? I can help with Dorset (Bournemouth - Weymouth - Portland - Bridport) but don't know if that would be of any use to you.

The fleet harbour at Weymouth is a must I'd've thought. And the coast up to Poole, Lulworth Cove, the Isle of Purbeck, Swanage and the Cliffs at Studland, all in your neck of the woods there LF, or maybe a bit too far east?

Dunklegrun and me live in the same town, it's near Bath so a bit out of the way for the South coast and the big smoke, but you never know, he might be up for a trip.

danjama
02-10-2006, 02:00 PM
Ill email you some stuff soon, can go to london with my cam this weekend hopefully.

plumps_
02-10-2006, 02:11 PM
You'll find LOTs of pictures and even plans including scale of these landmark buildings on the internet! Try Google image search. This is a page (http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/England/canterbury/Cathedral/Plans/Canter-Cath-Plans.html) I found with the search term "Canterbury Cathedral plan".

Also there's no copyright anymore on the original designs! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Just a few questions that come to my mind in that context:

Does a cathedral need a damage model if it has never been damaged during the war? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

What colour did the buildings show in the 40s? They may look nice and clean today, but this may be the result of a renovation. Most buildings took a darker colour as they were exposed to the exhaust fumes of the industrial age.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-10-2006, 02:25 PM
The fleet harbour at Weymouth is a must I'd've thought. And the coast up to Poole, Lulworth Cove, the Isle of Purbeck, Swanage and the Cliffs at Studland, all in your neck of the woods there LF, or maybe a bit too far east?

Dunklegrun and me live in the same town, it's near Bath so a bit out of the way for the South coast and the big smoke, but you never know, he might be up for a trip.

Well if you a fancy a field trip to the seaside...my local was bomb-damaged twice so we could start researching there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I think Plumps has a good idea - might be an idea to start collating images and sites from our various localities.

ploughman
02-10-2006, 03:00 PM
My other half is a buildings archeologist, she says the best place to check out most of the buildings on your list is the NMR (National Monuments Records) in Swindon, Wiltshire, which has plans, historic photo records etc,. Additionally, local county records would be a good place to pick up additional info you didn't get there. Most of the places you mentioned are listed buildings and, as such, are very well recorded and accessible from a research point of view.

Tgd_Voxman
02-10-2006, 03:12 PM
Don't forget the "Rose and Crown" pub http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jutocsa
02-10-2006, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by plumps_:
You'll find LOTs of pictures and even plans including scale of these landmark buildings on the internet! Try Google image search.

Naturally thats always the first, and it proved to be enough for a couple buildings, but since the Deal castle was a suffering, I decided i need help. Thx for the cathedral btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Originally posted by plumps_:
What colour did the buildings show in the 40s? They may look nice and clean today, but this may be the result of a renovation. Most buildings took a darker colour as they were exposed to the exhaust fumes of the industrial age.

Thats the other reason I asked ror help..some buildings changed color ( some parts on Tower bridge iirc) some even became barely recongniseable compared to ww2 (dover docks, solent forts) and Im sure you locals know it a lot better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
02-10-2006, 11:21 PM
Good luck finding stuff Jutocsa! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now your question makes me wonder - are there french folks who could help Oleg getting the airfields in France right? After all most bases were simply fields or meadows and not full-blown air bases. I for example would be surprised to see a fully developed airfield at Beaumont-le-Roger, when it was simply a meadow between apple trees http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

luftluuver
02-10-2006, 11:27 PM
These are just 2 using Google image search.

Westminster Abbey

http://images.google.ca/images?q=Westminster+Abbey&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

Buckingham Palace

http://www.dreamsstudio.com/old/ONLINE/CBW-007.jpg

Jutocsa
02-11-2006, 08:11 PM
some bump, although i got some mails already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Still, the more ppl the better.

VV_Holdenb
02-12-2006, 03:05 AM
A little bump.

As my folks are from Isle of Wight:
Just in case my email went astray.

Solent Fort References:

A nr complete list of UK forts and WWII batteries with pics and plans:
http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/data.htm


Solent forts references:
http://www.ecastles.co.uk/seafort.html
http://www.invectis.co.uk/iow/seaforts.htm
http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/Solent/Solent.html
http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/map/spplan.htm
http://www.mygosport.org/info_pages_htm/forts_solent.htm
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/articles.php?p=2321&page=1
http://clienthosting.webline.co.uk/simply/spitbank/gallery.html

Good resource for old solent pics ships and ariel photographs
http://www.solen****ers.co.uk/

Pier pictures:
http://www.1910.wight.info/images/piers/piers.htm
http://www.solentway.co.uk/images/IMG_3316.jpg
http://www.shalfiow.demon.co.uk/piers/piers2.htm
http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/alpha_lists/pierlist.htm

If you need more pics from Isle of Wight
landmarks / buildings post up a list! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
02-12-2006, 07:50 AM
I live in Brighton, I also have allot of photo's from the 30's and 40's of Brighton from my grandfather. I'll mail you.

Philipscdrw
02-12-2006, 08:04 AM
I live a few miles from Hampton Court Palace, but I don't have a decent camera (a characteristic Kodak point-and-click product) and I'm at university for the next few months. My brother is doing a photography course at the local college - I might be able to rope him in to acheive the images you'd need. PM me if you think I could be useful...

monty66
02-12-2006, 08:32 AM
Hiya

Here are two landmarks of Portsmouth,Portsmouth Guildhall and HMS Victory,
dont know if these might help

http://www.petecodling.co.uk/portsmouth_guildhall_steps.htm

http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&It...&catid=1&key=6&hit=1 (http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=59&page=view&catid=1&key=6&hit=1)

I will take some pics when i next goto Portsmouth (soon)

Monty

Jutocsa
02-12-2006, 09:20 AM
PM on the way, Hampton C. is the most complex of those on my list - and with the least reference on my hd.

Jutocsa
02-17-2006, 01:12 AM
Bump and a question:
Do you know what color was the Tower Bridge around ww2 ? Just because I read it was painted this white and blue stuff only in 1977...

edit: I found an early advertisement, it has some reddish rusty color, is that correct ?

Bartolomeo_ita
02-17-2006, 03:32 AM
ilove this comunity http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gnasha
02-17-2006, 02:38 PM
When you do the pier(s), ensure that at least one span of it is missing i.e. deliberately removed. This was done during 1940 to prevent the piers of the south coast being used to unload German assault ships. There are several good pictures of a RAF pilot being recovered from the sea near Bognor pier which shows this very well.

Like WOLFMondo I also live in the Brighton area. The main features of note from the air in the city are the pier, Royal Pavilion, and the viaduct. I also heard (not sure) that the 1st aircraft downed on Alder Tag crashed in the Brighton area at Shoreham. It was a Emil of 1/JG2 by a Hurricane of 601 Sqn out of Tangmere.

I will email some stuff of interest

VV_Holdenb
02-17-2006, 05:57 PM
"Do you know what color was the Tower Bridge around ww2 ? It has some reddish rusty color, is that correct ? "

Tower Bridge older postcards/pics:

http://www.playle.com/KDL/86707.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~wgnb/postcards/tower_bridge.jpg (http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ewgnb/postcards/tower_bridge.jpg)
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/GSN/LagunaBelle-01en.jpg

Some old postcards 1934, and 1940 of Tower Bridge selling on eBay also had "white" towers!

Jutocsa
02-17-2006, 10:41 PM
Got the mail Gnasha thx. And great find, Holdenb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KG26_Alpha
02-19-2006, 02:04 AM
Are you planning on moddeling the Greenwich Naval College & National Maritime Museum along the Thames?

They are very important buildings.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=greenwich+naval+col...n&btnG=Search+Images (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=greenwich+naval+college&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images)

http://www.mykreeve.net/london/greenwich/royal_naval_college/

http://www.greenwich-guide.org.uk/museum.htm

Also for images of london houses look here>>
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ide...6safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/greenwich/central-greenwich/map-greenwich-south-street-630.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/greenwich/central-greenwich/greenwich-south-street.htm&h=630&w=630&sz=141&tbnid=N0Uxfkv8BWFLpM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=134&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhouses%2Bof%2Bgreenwich%26svnum%3D10% 26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)

and check out the links in different parts of London.

x6BL_Brando
02-19-2006, 03:45 AM
Wot, no railway stations? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The railways are a massive landmark in any aerial view of London, bigger than almost any of the landmarks already mentioned - a giant roof stretching over say 20 platforms and more than the length of a sixteen coach express can't help but be visible from the air.
Not only that, but they are/were all different from each other due to there being many different railway companies in existence in Britain at that time and before. They each employed different architects and they all used different building styles and materials.
Staying on the railways theme - it would be good if we could have something more like a British locomotive than the ubiquitous European-style grey or green thing in FB. It might seem as if I'm going all 'anorak & notebook' here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif...and it's clear that trains aren't a big feature during the high-alt battles of BoB... but I'm thinking of the low-level attacks made on the South Coast ports, harbours and sea defences. Trains, if seen, were frequent targets. I accept that too much energy can be spent on niggly details like this, but I hope we get a passenger loco and a small freight loco. Though there were literally hundreds of types in existence, a small loco would be essential to setting up freightyard scenes and so on.

On the connected topic of walls and their colour I can only say Dirty! Everyone burnt coal! From a small domestic grate burning a bucket a day ( x 5 million!) - to the power stations and gasworks and factories and hundreds of shunting locomotives working - coal was King. Cooking was done on coal-fired ranges too. A constant haze hung over the city, and the buildings were filthy.

Just my two penn'orth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jutocsa
02-19-2006, 04:23 AM
There will be railway stations later on, of course. But they more like fell into the generic building category than landmarks. And as so, I think they will be generic. But thats only my opinion, I wasnt told about them yet. But dont worry of yourse you will see trains

x6BL_Brando
02-19-2006, 06:56 AM
Jutocsa, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you for the prompt response. I guess much of the landmarks 'issue' (for me) is just what the navigator and bomb aimer will see from their particular vantage points as they home in on this (my) capital city, and what they used as reference points for bomb release. The major London stations and marshalling yards were targets in themselves, as well as their recognisability paying a large part in guidance to other targets.
A specific terminus, King's Cross, for example - uniquely shaped, as mentioned before, with a uniquely shaped series of tracks running to it - would have been far more recognisable than a single building, especially from 15,000 feet. Great use was made of very visible features such as the Thames river's bends and the unmistakeable features of the rail network.

Regularly-used railway tracks are very shiny and virtually impossible to camouflage effectively.
Contemporary photo's show that the effect was also very pronounced at night with anything of a 'bomber's moon'. Not only that, but the various 'main lines' ran in groups of four, six, even eight tracks side-by-side - and not the single lines that are found in FB.

I realise that this stuff is not in your remit Jutocsa - and possibly a separate topic - but I'm just expressing my unease at the idea that the rail system should just be generic. A substantial part of BoB has to be about bombing London, with the not unreasonable premise that the bomb-aimer's view will be of that uniquely laid out city. (I definitely will start a new thread about this! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

My opinion is that railway stations must be modelled as landmarks to achieve the realism required, both visually as 'eye-candy' and as a vital bomb-aimers' cue. Otherwise it'd be like playing chess without a board!

'Nuff said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Brando

OldMan____
02-19-2006, 08:16 AM
Should make a promotion. help with BOB buildings and have your own house appear in game :P

VV_Holdenb
02-19-2006, 10:15 AM
Hi

I agree with x6BL_Brando - Started a new thread in general discussion for wishlist
of UK land marks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2241061414

major_setback
02-19-2006, 11:11 AM
Tower Bridge:
These are CGI (computer) iages of Tower Bridge. They show details better than photos do.

Maybe you could just get the author to let you have a scaled down version? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Weel anyway, I hope these help.


EDIT: FROM THIS THREAD/SITE:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=151893&highlight=Tower+Bridge



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/TB_lrvn_perspectiveSm.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/towerbridge.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/TB_lrvn_stagesSm.jpg

major_setback
02-19-2006, 11:33 AM
This site does cardboard models of the buildings Hampton Court, Tower of London, Westminster Abbey.

They could be used as a starting point...already 3D models!!

I'm sure many more companies do these, I built similar ones from plans when I was a child. This was the first site I found by Googling Tower of London card models

http://www.peterjvisser.demon.nl/kenilworth/kenilworthe.html

http://www.peterjvisser.demon.nl/kenilworth/Houses.jpg

EDIT: Others:

http://www.marcle.co.uk/tower%20of%20london.html



http://www.marcle.co.uk/tower%20of%20london%2028%2012%2002%20small.JPG


Also:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B4Z104/203-8005485-2992709

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000B4Z104.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

major_setback
02-19-2006, 11:46 AM
Saint Pauls photo, viewed Fom the South!:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/StPaulsCathedralSouth.jpg

From (more good pictures on this site):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Paul%27s_Cathedral

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/St_Paul%27s_Cathedral_in_1896.JPG

major_setback
02-19-2006, 12:07 PM
Tip, Use Google 'map' or 'world' for top-down views. Wikipedia can link to such views for each building you wan't (sometimes).

Buckingham Palace:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckingham_Palace

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Buckingham.palace.london.arp.jpg/800px-Buckingham.palace.london.arp.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Plan_of_Buckingham_palace.gif


Google map looking down on The Palace:
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&hl=en&ll=51.500956,-0.1....001673,0.003562&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&hl=en&ll=51.500956,-0.1425&spn=0.001673,0.003562&t=k)

major_setback
02-19-2006, 12:22 PM
Tower Bridge:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Tower_bridge_schm020.png

Jutocsa
02-19-2006, 08:21 PM
Thanks, major_setback , those were of help indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif As for asking the original model of the Tower B, it wouldnt be much use at all, downsampling such a zillion poly model is by far more work than making a new one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
02-20-2006, 02:59 AM
Some Google Earth pictures, note that you can zoom in really close on the London pictures, they are high resolution.

Saint Paul's Cathedral from Google 'map/Earth'. (You might have to have Google Earth installed to view this). Note that the scale is also given (100m measure at the bottom of picture).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.500956,-0.1425&s....001679,0.003573&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.500956,-0.1425&sspn=0.00168,0.003573&hl=en&q=Saint+Pauls+Cathedral&ll=51.514308,-0.098244&spn=0.001679,0.003573&t=k)


Google Earth - Tower of London (which is right next to Tower Bridge, as you can see in the picture:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Tower+of+London....003359,0.010643&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Tower+of+London&ll=51.5081,-0.0761&spn=0.003359,0.010643&t=k)

Google Earth - Westminster Abbey:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Westminster+Abb...0.00168,0.005322&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Westminster+Abbey&ll=51.499426,-0.12763&spn=0.00168,0.005322&t=k)

Google Earth: I think this is The National Gallery, by Trafalgar Square. Can any Londoners confirm this?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.499426,-0.12763&....001679,0.003573&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.499426,-0.12763&sspn=0.00168,0.005322&hl=en&q=Trafalgar+Square&ll=51.508833,-0.128242&spn=0.001679,0.003573&t=k)

Google Earth, The British Museum:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.508833,-0.128242....003358,0.007145&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.508833,-0.128242&sspn=0.001679,0.003573&hl=en&q=The+British+museum&ll=51.519425,-0.12659&spn=0.003358,0.007145&t=k)

Google Earth, Hampton Court Palace:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.519425,-0.12659&...0.02693,0.057163&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=51.519425,-0.12659&sspn=0.003358,0.007145&hl=en&q=Hampton+Court+Palace&ll=51.408576,-0.323324&spn=0.02693,0.057163&t=k)

Google Earth, Solent Forts (zoom in!). Maybe you can find their positions by comparing with this map of the placement of the forts:

http://www.invectis.co.uk/iow/icd.gif

I'm not sure if this is No Mans Land Fort? It's in about the right place (I think the Fort that is furthest south is on a low resolution part odf the map, and can't be seen, I might be wrong):Edit: These are not linking very well for some reason (might not show) Go to the main Isle of Wight map and drag to where the forts are if they don't show.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.739...0.00683,0.021286&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.739524,-1.094191&spn=0.00683,0.021286&t=k)

This looks like it is in the position of Horse Sand Fort:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.750....003414,0.010643&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.750081,-1.072578&spn=0.003414,0.010643&t=k)

Different scale for an overview:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.727....054657,0.170288&t=k (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wight&ll=50.727872,-1.071854&spn=0.054657,0.170288&t=k)

Tower Bridge, details:

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_998644913_TwrBrdgLdn_06.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_998582673_TwrBrdgLdn_03.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_998585535_TwrBrdgLdn_05.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/PCD.8203.3241.1525.076.jpg

Large historical panorama black/white, showing The Tower of London:

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/6a23579-Tower_and_Bridge.jpg


http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0F3B8BF0-7377-487D-81F2-01B9B0DB2D76/0/tower_bridge_at_night1024x768.jpg

http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/101CCF43-F0D...e_at_day1024x768.jpg (http://www.towerbridge.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/101CCF43-F0D1-47B5-8577-D13EEB8DE6CB/0/tower_bridge_at_day1024x768.jpg)

British Museum Historical pic':

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1123544627_08563v.jpg

British Museum front,top:

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0214/images/11293_image_1.150.jpg

British Museum window:

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0214/images/11293_image_8.150.jpg

British Museum, Section (cut) through the building (NOTE - I think the roof has been altered recently!!):
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0214/images/11294_image_3.jpg

Westminster Abbey:

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/PCD.8203.3241.1525.085.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1123544773_08570v.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/PCD.8203.3241.1525.084.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1129246094_westm_abbey_01.jpg

major_setback
02-20-2006, 03:26 AM
Dover Castle.

Shape of the fort around the Castle (I believe):

http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/defence/images/img_fort_burgoyne.gif
From:http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/leisure/sea_front.htm



Historical pictures:

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1123544388_08353v.jpg


More:

http://koti.welho.com/rhurmal1/linnat2004/dover.jpg

http://www.***gfamily.fsworld.co.uk/subdirectory/dover_castle_from_the_sky2.jpg

http://members.fortunecity.com/robstravel/cards/dover1.jpg

http://www.castleuk.net/castle_lists_south/179/images/dovercastle.jpg

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://members.tripod.com/~midgley/dovercastle.jpg

http://www.uk-photos.co.uk/aerial/kent_dover_castle.jpg

http://www.math.ucsb.edu/~garcias/travel/images/Britain/BritainDoverCastleMe-1024.jpg

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/upload/img_400/se_dover_castle_01.jpg

http://data.greatbuildings.com/gbc/images/cid_1036239037_Curtain_wall1.jpg

http://www.sitecrew.co.uk/cmsdemo/dbfiles/locations/4/dover2m.jpg

Constables Gateway - one of the main entrances to the castle:
http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england..._castle_entrance.jpg (http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england_dover_castle_entrance.jpg)

The yard of the Great Keep:

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england...rd_of_great_keep.jpg (http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england_dover_castle_king_henry_ii_keep_yard_ of_great_keep.jpg)

From the roof of Henry II's Keep:

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england...roof_view_from_2.jpg (http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england_dover_castle_king_henry_ii_keep_roof_ view_from_2.jpg)

Henry II's Keep, roof:

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england...nry_ii_keep_roof.jpg (http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england_dover_castle_king_henry_ii_keep_roof. jpg)

Wall:

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england..._from_path_below.jpg (http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/images/plan_england_dover_castle_walls_on_hill_from_path_ below.jpg)

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~tloos/Britain/DovCastleOnHill1.jpg (http://www.cs.indiana.edu/%7Etloos/Britain/DovCastleOnHill1.jpg)

http://www.castles-of-britain.com/dover.jpg

http://www.dover-castle-friends.org/fodc/Castle_from_pier_big.jpg

http://www.sitecrew.co.uk/cmsdemo/dbfiles/locations/4/dover1m.jpg

http://www.castle-guesthouse.co.uk/images/dover_castle.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/Dover.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/IM000461.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/DoverCastle.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/IM000463.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/IM000459.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/IM000464.jpg

http://www.travelbritain.com/England/DoverCastle/IM000460.jpg

http://www.casahistoria.net/dover_castle4.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover6.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover1.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover5.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover7.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover2.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover8.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover9.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover10.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/dover12.jpg

http://www.ecastles.co.uk/doverlh.jpg


http://www3.sympatico.ca/battlebridge/Stills/castles/dover01.jpg

3D project:

http://www.designlaboratory.com/courses/a222.f95/a222.f94.finex.fedak.html


http://www.bulukucing.org/photos/dover/Dover%20Castle%2005.jpg

http://www.delange.org/CalaisLn/Dover4.jpg

http://www.delange.org/CalaisLn/Dover3.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/history/photogallery/images/large_dover_docks.jpg

From WWI:
http://readytogoebooks.com/Dover1.jpg

http://doversoul.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuil...carferryterminal.jpg (http://doversoul.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/carferryterminal.jpg)

Pre Wartime and wartime Dover link:
http://www.***gfamily.fsworld.co.uk/in%20time%20of%20war.htm

Dover sea front 1900:

http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/leisure/images/pic_sea_front_grand.jpg

http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/leisure/images/pic_sea_front_beach.jpg

http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/leisure/images/pic_sea_front_marine_parade.jpg

Dover harbour, very old:

http://www.doverpages.co.uk/dover/harbour_1.jpg

Part of harbour under construction 1901:

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/doverharbour.jpg

Map of docks and harbour:

http://www.doverstopover.com/Images/Le_Clermont_General-Map.jpg

Jutocsa
02-20-2006, 05:13 AM
Wow, great finds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That Dover Castle is gonna be a real pain in the ***

major_setback
02-20-2006, 05:33 AM
Are you doing these alone?!!!

Some of those models you have to build are very complex. The Tower of London isn't easy either.

I tried to get as many views of Dover Castle as I could find.

Jutocsa
02-20-2006, 06:54 AM
Yes, alone, but its not a big deal actually once you got comfortable with the building, and know it a bit

major_setback
02-20-2006, 07:04 PM
Hampton Court Palace:

I don't know if this is right -

http://www.legolas.org/gallery/d/3414-2/aal.jpg

This is correct:

http://laurenroyal.com/3.0/images/places/rose/hampton-drawing.jpg


http://www.asht.info/assets/images/HC_Aerial_Garden_Large.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/HamptonCurt.jpg/800px-HamptonCurt.jpg
South facade:

http://markb-photo.que.jp/England/images/hampton-court-1.jpg

http://www.astraltravels.co.uk/astral_images/hampron%20court%20palace%20gardens.jpg

http://www.free-picture-graphic.org.uk/images/hampton-court-palace.jpg

http://kimv.com/images/camera/travel/england/hamptoncp1.jpg

http://www.ushistoricalarchive.com/photochroms/ppmsc/08583r.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Hampton_Court.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/pete.boardman/24hourclock/images/hamptoncourt.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/pete.boardman/24hourclock/images/thumbnails/hamptoncourt.jpg

http://this-sucks.vacuum.net/galleries/HamptonCourtPalace/full/04_fountain-court-45deg.jpg

http://this-sucks.vacuum.net/galleries/HamptonCourtPala...tain-court-90deg.jpg (http://this-sucks.vacuum.net/galleries/HamptonCourtPalace/full/03_fountain-court-90deg.jpg)

http://english.osu.edu/programs/undergraduate/images/Hampton%20Court.jpg

http://www.ranum.org/images/2002/S_2002_0330_131155AA.JPG

http://www.danhagerman.com/images/Hampton%20Court.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court/v=2/SID...ages/Day7k_HenryVIII (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12v4ofgim/EXP=1140573208/*-http%3A//www.gummbot.com/Protected/images/Day7k_HenryVIII)'s_Hampton_Court.jpg

http://www.rumble.net/travel/photos/uk/hampton1.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court/v=2/SID...t_palace_gateway.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12o4sp4vo/EXP=1140573384/*-http%3A//www.lesleybarrett.com/images/hampton_court_palace_gateway.jpg)

http://www.rumble.net/travel/photos/holly/hollyhampton.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court+palace/.../images/hampton2.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hampton+court+palace/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12ak30cik/EXP=1140573545/*-http%3A//www.britishcitylights.co.uk/images/hampton2.jpg)

http://www.uww.edu/athletics/images/msoccer/springtrip/...20Court%20Palace.jpg (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/images/msoccer/springtrip/Seniors%20at%20Hampton%20Court%20Palace.jpg)

http://www.travelandtreats.com/images/hampton.jpg

http://laurenroyal.com/3.0/images/places/rose/hampton-clock.jpg

http://www.miksovsky.com/2002/London/Fountain%20Court%2...0Hampton%20Court.jpg (http://www.miksovsky.com/2002/London/Fountain%20Court%20at%20Hampton%20Court.jpg)


http://www.totkat.org/albums/Hampton-Court/l004.jpg

http://www.loguk.com/life/images/hampton_court__aerial.jpg

http://www.asht.info/assets/images/HC_Aerial_Large.jpg

http://www.reformation.org/hampton-court-palace.jpg

http://www.amum2004.npl.co.uk/images/hampton_court.jpg



The famous maze:

http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/maa/Interview_with_the_Minotaur/Hampton_Court_Maze.gif