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FI_Macca44
09-17-2005, 07:09 AM
66 Years ago following the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty, the Soviets attacked Poland and joined the WW2 on the side of Nazi Germany, breaking all the norms of international politics and diplomacy and morality.


The Polish defense was already broken, with their only hope being retreat and reorganisation in the south-eastern region (Romanian Bridgehead), when on September 17, 1939, it was rendered obsolete overnight. The 800,000 strong Soviet Union Red Army, divided into the Belarusian and Ukrainian fronts, invaded the eastern regions of Poland that had not yet been involved in military operations. While Soviet diplomacy claimed that they were "protecting the Ukrainian and Belarusian minorities inhabiting Poland in view of Polish imminent collapse", in fact they were acting in co-operation with Nazi Germany, carrying out their part of a secret deal (the division of Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence, as specified in the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). Polish border defence forces (Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza) in the east (about 25 battalions) were unable to defend the border, and Edward Rydz-Śmigly further ordered them to fall back and not engage the Soviets. This, however, did not prevent some clashes and small battles.

Salut to all the victims of this aggresion, soldiers and civilians murdered by the soviet troops and NKWD, esp to polish officers murdered in forests round Katyn.

S!

Macca

Tvrdi
09-17-2005, 07:34 AM
S! to all the brave Pollish ppl...


all of those "great powers" were axis through the entire history of invading, so russians were axis at first in WW2,..later, after the WW2 they commited numerous executions in countries of "Eastern Block" (Hungary, Polland, Romania, East Germany etc. etc.).....GB, US, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc. etc. ---> they were all "axis" in different periods of the history....the problem is that only german ppl learned their lesson....today, they are the first to stand up against any type of aggression....."we" didnt learn anything from the past wars...."wer" doing the same dirty job today....

Daiichidoku
09-17-2005, 01:16 PM
this can easily get out of hand...so...

IBTL

horseback
09-17-2005, 01:45 PM
Why call it 'aggression' when 'backstabbing' will do?

Actually, there are no words sufficient or adequate to describe that evil opportunism...

cheers

horseback

Daiichidoku
09-17-2005, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
Why call it 'aggression' when 'backstabbing' will do?

Actually, there are no words sufficient or adequate to describe that evil opportunism...

cheers

horseback


nah, that WAS aggression...the backstabbing part came later, in 44, when the russians urged on the polish home army to uprise in warsaw, when they were just outside it, only to then mysteriously clam up and do nothing as the germans wiped out poles they encouraged to fight....very prudent on thier part, helped soften any possible polish resistance to the russians post war designs on poland

Luftwaffe_109
09-17-2005, 08:59 PM
Thankyou FI_Macca44, it is a good time to remember the commencement of Soviet hostilities against Poland and later occupation that the Poles endured.

Does anyone have good sources about this campaign, its most interesting. According to Buchner the Soviet lost 737 KIA and 1862 WIA in fighting with Polish troops during this invasion.


Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
nah, that WAS aggression...the backstabbing part came later, in 44, when the russians urged on the polish home army to uprise in warsaw, when they were just outside it, only to then mysteriously clam up and do nothing as the germans wiped out poles they encouraged to fight....

Well there was nothing mysterious about it. All Poles who had supported the Polish Government-in-Exile and the Armia Krajowa were described as 'unreliable elements' by Stalin. Stalin regarded the Warsaw Uprising as a 'criminal act of anti-Soviet policy' which, in his eyes, was an attempt clearly to seize the Polish capital for the 'emigre government in London' before the arrival of the Red Army (which he claimed had 'done all the fighting an dying').

woofiedog
09-18-2005, 01:49 AM
A few links...

http://www.polandinexile.com/army1.htm

http://derela.republika.pl/armcarpl.htm

http://www.kasprzyk.demon.co.uk/www/WW2.html

http://www.humboldt.edu/~rescuers/book/Makuch/BashaPix/Polemap39/PMap39.html

http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/web/history/WWII/1939/link.shtml

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/eceurope/poland193945.html

http://www.polishnews.com/fulltext/history/2001/history5.shtml

jugent
09-18-2005, 02:00 AM
Why didnt France and England declare war against Soviet Union according to their assurance to help Poland?

They stated that they should protect Poland against forreign aggression and declared war against Germany because of the invasion of Poland.

Ankanor
09-18-2005, 02:13 AM
LOL, why on earth would they do that? They declared war on Germany and stayed behind the Maginot line while the bulk of the German Army was in the East. A Strange war... they did believe that Hitler was going to continue east and smash the communism for them.

Kuna15
09-18-2005, 02:17 AM
It was not a wise move to have USSR as enemy in that times.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kazimierz.
09-18-2005, 04:35 AM
Sad indeed,
You could do worse than read 'For Your Freedom and Ours' by Lynne Olsen and Stanley Cloud, a wonderful book about the Polish 303 Koscuiszko Squadron, it has a brief outline and history of Polands fight against Germany and Russia from the late 1800's.
And about time we all realised that Polish people weren't allowed to march or fly in the Victory Parade in the UK at the end of the war, inspite of the Poles being one of the most courageuos people who fought. Just so Churchill could appease Stalin and Roosevelt.

Kocur_
09-18-2005, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Kazimierz.:
Just so Churchill could appease Stalin and Roosevelt.

Not Churchill but Clement Atlee from Labour Party, the next prime minister.

Kazimierz.
09-18-2005, 12:10 PM
Of course... you are right, and my history teacher sent me to the headmasters office where I did 100 lines :-)

FinnBird
09-18-2005, 01:40 PM
My salute to the brave Polish people!

I feel there's Something similar in the fate of our nation as well. Alone, left in the hands of a dictator. Winter war was our test, it's a miracle we survived.

And let's not forget the sufferings of the Baltic peoples, who were annexed to the Soviet union in the summer 1940.

Isn't it weird that in 1944-47 Stalin got almost all the areas there were in the molotov-Ribbentrop pact in 1939?

I mean the Eastern poland, Baltic States, Bessarabia... Finland didn't go as planned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Why was this allowed to happen in the Paris peace treaty? Why?

In the lines of Truman/McArthur affair...Does the cause of the world peace always go ahed the existence of the small nations?

I feel the Polish in special have been the most unjustly slain nation in Europe. Divided in the 18th and 19th centuries, A battlefield in two world wars, sliced in two, moved westwards by 120 miles, enslaved under the communist rule for 40 years.

I wish the Polish people peace and freedom for the coming centuries!

Ankanor
09-18-2005, 01:43 PM
At least they have beautiful women http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LeOs.K_Walstein
09-18-2005, 02:02 PM
S A L U T E !


Walstein

Kocur_
09-18-2005, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by FinnBird:
My salute to the brave Polish people!

I feel there's Something similar in the fate of our nation as well. Alone, left in the hands of a dictator. Winter war was our test, it's a miracle we survived.

And let's not forget the sufferings of the Baltic peoples, who were annexed to the Soviet union in the summer 1940.

Isn't it weird that in 1944-47 Stalin got almost all the areas there were in the molotov-Ribbentrop pact in 1939?

I mean the Eastern poland, Baltic States, Bessarabia... Finland didn't go as planned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Why was this allowed to happen in the Paris peace treaty? Why?

In the lines of Truman/McArthur affair...Does the cause of the world peace always go ahed the existence of the small nations?

I feel the Polish in special have been the most unjustly slain nation in Europe. Divided in the 18th and 19th centuries, A battlefield in two world wars, sliced in two, moved westwards by 120 miles, enslaved under the communist rule for 40 years.

I wish the Polish people peace and freedom for the coming centuries!

Ha! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And my salute to brave Suomi! Wish we had someone as great as Carl von Mannerheim then, not that it would help much in such a miserable strategic situation we had...

BelaLvgosi
09-18-2005, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Tvrdi:
GB, US, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc. etc. ---> they were all "axis" in different periods of the history....the problem is that only german ppl learned their lesson....today, they are the first to stand up against any type of aggression....."we" didnt learn anything from the past wars...."wer" doing the same dirty job today....

Portugal what!?

p1ngu666
09-18-2005, 08:32 PM
portugal was nuteral...

and the americans didnt belive in churchills concerns about the russians, well untill it was too late..

stalin was a *very* clever person, he played the others about, got what he wanted.

carguy_
09-19-2005, 12:36 AM
Stalin needed a spanking.He was close to complete breakdown when he was informed about 3rd Reich attacking.Besides Hitler,nobody did ever put pressure on him.