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cathyk
03-26-2005, 07:33 AM

cathyk
03-26-2005, 07:33 AM
Have been reviewing my Myst collection (such as it is) for the past couple of weeks and trying to fill in gaps.

Which has gotten me to thinking about CE for Myst V. I know I'm not the only one who was disappointed in the quality of the CE for Myst IV with the useless deck of 32 cards (and it wasn't a particularly good design or quality deck). So I thought I would canvass opinion amongst forumites and then send it off to Cyan and Ubisoft.

So first, a poll - what would you like to see included in a Collector's Edition of Myst V?

Mowog
03-26-2005, 01:45 PM
My thought is that there should be some sort of commemorative item, whether a book, special "bonus" game or whatever, in honor of what has been a phenomenal game series. I voted for the soundtrack, but at the same time it would be neat to see a special game, if even a small one, designed just for the Myst fans who have hung in there for all these years. Or maybe a documentary DVD from Cyan, showing what went on behind the scenes during development of Myst, Riven, Exile, Uru, Myst IV, and now Myst V. Interviews with Rand and RAWA on the development of the D'ni legends would be great, as well as features on the music, from Robyn to Jack Wall.

It's going to be the end of an era, and even if the entertainment industry as a whole will barely even notice, we fans would love to have a little something special to mark its passing.

Alahmnat
03-26-2005, 02:14 PM
Well, the 32-card deck isn't really useless so much as it's just European, which makes sense since the CE wasn't released in the US anyway (for reasons of shelf space taken up by too many Myst products... a fact which confuses me considering the number of Sims boxes I see every time I'm at Best Buy, but I digress). There was a list of card games that can be played with a 32-card deck on MystWorlds a while back, and also in the Revelation forums, among which was Euchre, the official card game of my high school, heh.

Anyhoo, I would definitely like to see a making of movie as was done for Myst and Riven. Those are fun, and it gives a little bit of insight into what went on to make the game happen (and you get a little glimpse at how crazy some of the people who work at Cyan really are, hehe), which is actually what sparked my interest in the field in the first place (along with the wonderful From Myst to Riven coffee table book... good heavens that thing is cool). I don't think the documentary should include stuff from Exile or Revelation, because Cyan wasn't involved in those beyond approving the basic storyline. While getting a good look at what each developer did for their own installments would be cool, that almost seems like it should be some sort of Discovery Channel kind of documentary or something, rather than something that came with End of Ages.

Barring that, soundtracks are always good, and I've yet to be disappointed by the stuff put out by Robyn, Tim, and Jack (though the "Exile" song was rather cheesy, I must say, heh). It would be nice if a journal (even a softcover deal) was included, much like the ones in the original release of Myst way back in the day... I actually still have mine, though it's a bit worse for wear now than it was 10 years ago, hehe.

Ultimately, though, I wouldn't be all that upset if there was no CE for End of Ages. I feel like I owe Cyan a lot more than they owe me (not to mention that a CE is Ubi's domain anyway, so getting miffed at Cyan would be bad form http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). I want to see them close this thing up with a bang, but beyond that, I'm just glad I've been able to tag along for the ride.

Feliskitty
03-26-2005, 02:16 PM
Being the last Myst game, it better be big, expansive, and expensive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif An hour-long DVD making the Myst series from Myst to Myst V, complete soundtrack, big, pretty posters to put on the wall,and an "Art of Myst" book similar to the Art of Warcraft book in the Warcraft Collector's ed.

uecasm
03-27-2005, 06:05 AM
I'd love to see a complete D'ni translation and transliteration guide (and dictionary). Give us the Rehevkor!

But since *that*'s not going to happen, "making of" stuff and perhaps a bit more in-depth backstory revelation would be good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cathyk
03-27-2005, 07:49 AM
Even though I'm in Europe (UK actually), I found the 32-card deck pretty useless and couldn't be bothered looking up the games that were referenced on the Myst Worlds website.

My vote for a CE would be complete soundtrack (the partial soundtracks in the Uru and Myst IV CEs wer very annoying), a more in-depth Making Of, and Alahmnat's suggestion of a journal - I remember when I first opened up my copy of the Myst LE (which I bought quite by accident) my delight at finding a journal to keep notes (even if it was called Tagebuch rather than journal).

Posters, "Art of Myst", D'ni dictionary - all great ideas. As the last in the series, it should be good. I recently bought a Myst III CE off Ebay and was very impressed with it - game, Making of, complete soundtrack, plus game guide (although I didn't get a pewter squee - were there different CEs for Myst III?) - it struck me as a much better CE than the Uru and Myst IV CEs.

Oh, and a nice box or slipcase - the Uru and Myst IV CEs came in fairly flimsy boxes, unlike the Myst LE and Myst III CE. The Myst III CE is a very good box.

As for telling Cyan - whilst I accept that the CE is Ubisoft's responsibility, if we tell Cyan our hopes, they may be able to put pressure on Ubisoft.

Gorange
03-27-2005, 05:05 PM
I am going to post this to Cyan at some stage soon.

I have only seen RealMyst in a shop once here in New Zealand, and I think it would be beneficial for a Myst V SE to come with RealMyst.

It can even be said that its the alpha and omega of the trilogy, and both in RT3D.

Oh well maybe i'll get to play in DIRT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Coronagold
03-27-2005, 05:35 PM
I'd like to see pics of tons of material over the years of creative sketches & renderings, of all the stuff they haven't shown us before (ie. partial Ages). And a nice 'making of EoA' movie.

Show some humor. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Outtakes from acting scenes that ran amok.

Mowog
03-27-2005, 06:47 PM
Ha, yeah... maybe some pics of Yeesha in the make-up chair getting prepped for the Cleft scene.

Note that there was an outtake in "The Making of Myst" movie years ago, where one of Achenar's shoulder belts slipped off while he was raving. Funny.

It would also be fun to see some of the scenery and props that were built but never used. I recall (and wow, am I dating myself here), that back in the days when the original Myst for Mac was first getting popular, you could use Apple's "ResEdit" utility to burrow into pretty much any software and not only view, but sometimes tweak, the resources within. Using ResEdit with the Myst CD, and viewing image resources, brought up many enormous galleries of all the little graphical bits and pieces that made up the visual side of Myst. Among these bits was a close-up of the box with the chessboard cover that was found at the foot of Sirrus's throne in the Mechanical Age. Recall that we could take a close-up look at that box, but that was about it. Lo and behold, using ResEdit you could view a close up of the box with the lid slid back, and what appeared to be a music-box mechanism inside. This never appeared in the game. You couldn't open the box, it was merely a prop... but at one time during the development of Myst, that was evidently intended to be a music box.

So yeah, show us some of the odds and ends that never made it into production! That would be fascinating.

uecasm
03-27-2005, 07:01 PM
You actually saw it in a shop? Where? I'm in NZ too, and I've certainly never seen it. If I had, I would have bought it in an instant.

In fact, by the time I learned that it even existed in the first place, it was completely impossible to buy it *anywhere*, including online shops. The game retail market sucks.

Gorange
03-28-2005, 10:36 PM
I saw a single box about 2 years ago in the EBgames shop in St Lukes mall in Auckland.
What a fool I was not to notice the little tag that says "includes new Rime age" or something to that effect http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

I have tried the demo and I rekon that it would be the mint on the pillow for Myst.

You hear me gimmie gimmie Realmyst.

Crazy thing is that there are a few copies like on ebay and amazon.com but they don't ship far enough south to New Zealand.

I want Realmyst http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Ian [Atrus]
03-29-2005, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cathyk:
Even though I'm in Europe (UK actually), I found the 32-card deck pretty useless and couldn't be bothered looking up the games that were referenced on the Myst Worlds website. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto: I'm italian and I had never seen a 32-card deck before. I hoped it had at least Myst-related pictures on the cards, like many themed decks, so I was really disappointed when I found out that it was a plain deck AND an incomplete one at that.

And the partial soundtracks... how ungodly annoying. If you write "soundtrack", it means "soundtrack", not "5 tracks, and in mp3 format too".
The partial soundtrack thing was particularly silly in the Uru CE, as all the music tracks could be easily accessed in the game folders.

What I want in the Myst V CE? I want something that makes it worth to buy one, not a silly thing that I will put in my shelf and completely forget about it. A t-shirt. A hat. An in-game object, like the Riven replicas. Something cool like that.

But somehow, I dobut that anyone in the marketing department will hear us...

uecasm
05-07-2005, 11:17 PM
Well I'm happy now -- I finally found a copy of Myst Masterpiece Edition (I guess it was because I was looking for something else at the time). I already had the original Myst but I've been wanting to try out MME to see how it's different http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So now the only Myst game I'm missing is realMyst. I really hope they put that in the Collector's Edition of M5.....

Mowog
05-08-2005, 11:15 AM
I bought the collector's edition of Exile way back when, and to this day that little pewter Squee has been staring at me from the hutch over my desk.

What I really wish I had back is the journal that came with my original Myst game. I know I still have it, but it would take a major excavation to find it. That was a LONG time ago!

Alahmnat
05-08-2005, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mowog:
I bought the collector's edition of Exile way back when, and to this day that little pewter Squee has been staring at me from the hutch over my desk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I still have mine, he's on the mantle in my room above the non-working fireplace. I wish they'd been able to follow through on the initially-promised plush ones, though... they're better for cuddling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What I really wish I had back is the journal that came with my original Myst game. I know I still have it, but it would take a major excavation to find it. That was a LONG time ago! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I still have mine, and I know where it is, too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. It's seen better days, admittedly, and over the past 11 years it's managed to get a lot of stuff dropped, dripped, and spilled on it, which I suppose just adds to the spiffiness, 'cause now it really looks like a beat-up old journal chronicling the wayward explorations of two rather inept puzzle-solvers (because it is, hah!).

The hardbound journal that came in the Ages of Myst box, however, I've never touched except to rifle through the pages a couple times to look at the watermarkings on the pages. It's kinda sad that something so potentially useful is sitting unused on a shelf because it's just too darn cool to risk ruining by using it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

poutrew
05-09-2005, 12:07 AM
Ah, I'll be happy if they include a real Descriptive Book in the box... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(No pressure, Ubi.)

uecasm
05-09-2005, 03:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alahmnat:
The hardbound journal that came in the Ages of Myst box, however, I've never touched except to rifle through the pages a couple times to look at the watermarkings on the pages. It's kinda sad that something so potentially useful is sitting unused on a shelf because it's just too darn cool to risk ruining by using it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've used mine quite a bit... in fact I just pulled it out again yesterday (since getting Masterpiece), since it has all my Myst and Riven notes in it.

I've only ever written in it in pencil though. It just seemed sacrilegious or something to use pen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cathyk
05-09-2005, 07:06 AM
Well, I have still have my original "Tagebuch" which came with the LE of Myst that I bought - when I finished the game, I put it back in the box.

I'm not sure what I did with my original Riven notes, but the later notes were written on the back of a walkthrough that I printed off one of the gaming websites.

When I bought Exile, I bought a spiral-bound notebook which now contains all my notes for Exile, Uru and Revelation. As it's almost full (and contains so many scribbles and crossings-out, I can barely work out some of the solutions), last week I treated myself to a new notebook - plushed cover, rules pages, nice endpapers and an elastic cord to close. Plus a new set of Staedtler pens to write in it. And I'm now transferring my notes (excluding the crossings-out) into it for all 5 games.

I shall use it for End of Ages as well, although I'll be careful to do my notes in pencil first.

That said, a really nice journal would be a nice addition to a CE.

A couple of weeks, I sent the link for this topic to Ubisoft US and Ubisoft Europe - so far I've not even had an acknowledgement.

Cheers!