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D0wnbeat
02-03-2006, 01:58 PM
First post here, just been reading until now. But I thought I would share something good.
I was cleaning out my office and going through some past issues of some old aviation history magazines and I found this article. I looked for it online, but couldn€t find it, so I typed it out for you.
Enjoy!

Then and Tomorrow As part of our ongoing series comparing and contrasting today€s computer aviation simulations and games to their historical recollections, Mr. Heinz Halstrick, a Messerschmitt 109 pilot assigned to 16./JG5 during the later parts of Germany's involvement in WWII, was recently interviewed by our very own Brian Kremmings about his experiences in combat, and his exposure to one of today€s most popular WWII aviation computer simulations.
Brian Kremmings: Guten Tag, Heir Halstrick. I am told that you have recently been exposed to the game IL-2 [Sturmovik series, from UbiSoft Entertainment and Maddox 1C development.].
Heinz Halstrick: Hello to you. Ya, my grandson enjoys the aviation sims, and
during a recent visit it was shown to me to try.
B.K.: I'm sure our readers would be extremely interested in your thoughts compared to your relative experiences. Can you give us some background information on you and your flight experience?
H.H.: I was raised in Efferen, near Cologne, and while at University was summoned to serve during the war. My aptitude was to be a pilot, which pleased me since I was fascinated with planes. I trained to fly at Wittenberge in July of 1944. In September I was charged to Jagdgeschwader 5 (IV./JG5). I stayed assigned to JG5 until the end of the war.
B.K.: What aircraft did you fly?
H.H.: Pilots were few for the fighter units, so our training was fast. I was taught on a Bücker [Bücker Bü 131], a basic bi-plane. Then moved right to the Messerschmitt-109 Gustav. Although I wanted to fly the Folke Wulf, there were few to be had, and my unit had only the 109. I am glad for the 109. It was a very wonderful fighter and quite deadly. In September I first flew the G6, but shortly after, we received our first G14s. They were much improved in the engine, and we carried the 3 centimeter cannon in the nose to fight the bombing raids. The 2 centimeter was preferred by the senior pilots with combat experience against fighters, but we were told the larger cannon was necessary in case we were to engage bombers. It was very deadly, so I did not complain. In February the staffel received the first Kurfürst, but I did not fly one, even though I wished to.
B.K.: What combat experience do you have?
H.H.: I shot thirteen aircraft. Five of those were the fortress bomber [B-17]. Four were the Lighting. [P-38]. Two were the Mustang [P-51], and two were the Thunder [P-47 Thunderbolt].
B.K.: That is quite impressive! To what do you owe your success?
H.H.: I don't consider them successes. I did not wish to kill the men, and do not know if I did. I was doing my duty in defending my fatherland. But there were many Americans in the sky. One merely had to surprise them from a good position. Sometimes we met on equal terms. In those cases, I believe my training in combat flying proved better. The pilots senior to me had taught us well. The enemy planes we met did not seem to understand how to fight well. But there were always more enemy aircraft than us, so you didn't fight for long. B.K.: Of course. So you have had some to experience Il-2. What are your impressions?
H.H.: It is a game for the computer, but I found it quite enjoyable and true. At first, my grandson spent some time adjusting the controls to meet my memory of feel, but it is difficult to compare when sitting at a desk. The 109 seemed to respond quite well to the controls. I remember it turned quite well. We were always able to maker sharper turns than the big American planes. Especially the one with a twin boom . I did not understand why the enemy used that for fighter duty. It seemed to me it should have been used for spying or cargo. It was very fast, but the pilots would sometimes try to fight in them, which seemed foolish. They could not turn well, and dropped much speed when they turned. Their size made them easy to hit with my guns. It was an inferior airplane, so no challenge to win. But the fate of combat was something that could never be sure, so we were always careful. Often when we fought the enemy they would turn and run, not seeming to want to fight. I liked the G-14 because it had the power to catch them. The Mustang was not as fast as the G-14, so we could catch them unless other Mustangs prevented us. The Thunder [P-47 Thunderbolt] was large and fast, but many times the Americans would turn to fire on another aircraft, and we could fire on them. I did not shoot down a Spitfire, but had met with them. Luck favored one. As I was gaining a shot, he managed to find a cloud and hide. He could not turn well, and I had more engine power, so the combination would have been victorious, if not for the weather. The other times they just did not engage, which was smart, because it was known that the Spitfire was a poor design. We worried more of the Americans in their large packs more a Spitfire.
On the computer it seemed the 109 turned less than how I remember its response, not much better than a Mustang, which was quite inaccurate. Speed was good. I do not remember the top speed, but I remember low flying at 500 kilometers per hour or more. It was a very exhilarating feeling. I found the guns to be somewhat accurate. The 3 centimeter cannon would do extensive damage, but several times I used my machine guns to damage the Americans. When I was playing I hit a Lightning in the wing. I saw the explosion from the shell, but the wing did not come off. A hit like that would have instantly removed the wing, so not seeing the damage was disappointing. I remember that a Mustang once gave me a good burst when I surprised from the sun. I dove to a cloud and did not see him again. After that flight I realized I had taken a number of bullets, but received little noticeable damage. I found it curious that the Americans would use such inferior weapons, but thanked fate that they were so. During my play a Mustang shot my aircraft. My grandson showed me a way to look outside the airplane, and the damage seemed heavy. Where there should have been little structure damage for many rounds, like rain drops, there were large holes. How were such holes made? Such is a game I suppose. Not real. I played once against a Spitfire. The way they turned and kept so fast astonished me. This was very wrong, I could only laugh. I told my grandson not to use that airplane again, because it was not correct.
B.K.: How would you rate the realism of the game compared to your experiences?
H.H.: It is, after all, a game, so it is hard to compare. I think a very fine job has been done for the 109 G-14. Much detail has been given to the cockpit as I remember it so. It performed much as I remember it. Quick and deadly, although it should turn better. Also, in the game the Mustang seemed much too fast and had too much in guns, and the Lightning turned more like a fighter, rather than like the bomber it was. The Spitfire came from imagination. Whoever added that performance to the game used fantasy. But as I said, it is a game, and treated as fun. I found it pleasurable to pretend to fly my lovely Messerschmitt once again. It brought me much joy.
B.K.:I thank you very much for your time and your insight! It's been a great experience for me, and I€m sure my readers will be very appreciative

- Brian Kremmings
-----------------------------

I searched for more information on Heinz Halstrick. Here is a photo of him next to his G-14.
http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/db_LwF02-Foto09fX87.jpg

WOLFMondo
02-03-2006, 02:05 PM
An interesting take on things. Spitfire was a poor design, Mustang was slow and P38 was a **** dogfighter and he wanted the FW over the Messer. Contradicts even other German pilots.

100% reason why pilot accounts are annecdotal and should be treated as stories only me thinks.

berg417448
02-03-2006, 02:13 PM
Why do I smell fish?

georgeo76
02-03-2006, 02:23 PM
I spoke w/ a German Pilot once who told me that a Mustang was hard to hit because it wobbled so much.

Capt.LoneRanger
02-03-2006, 02:34 PM
I liked the G-14 because it had the power to catch them.


because it was known that the Spitfire was a poor design


The 3 centimeter cannon would do extensive damage, but several times I used my machine guns to damage the Americans. When I was playing I hit a Lightning in the wing. I saw the explosion from the shell, but the wing did not come off. A hit like that would have instantly removed the wing, so not seeing the damage was disappointing.


I played once against a Spitfire. The way they turned and kept so fast astonished me. This was very wrong, I could only laugh. I told my grandson not to use that airplane again, because it was not correct.


Well, I don't give much on personal feelings on planes, but experience and what he says really makes you wonder about a few things... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

lrrp22
02-03-2006, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
Why do I smell fish?

Yep, a big ol' carp. He posted this a few months ago- it is a complete fabrication.

Nice job though- hits all the hot buttons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

anarchy52
02-03-2006, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by lrrp22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
Why do I smell fish?

Yep, a big ol' carp. He posted this a few months ago- it is a complete fabrication.

Nice job though- hits all the hot buttons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a dead giveaway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
not so good fishing attempt

Hristo_
02-03-2006, 03:17 PM
Someone call Bud Anderson quick ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Manuel29
02-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Can you scan some pages from that article and post them?

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

1.JaVA_Hornet
02-03-2006, 03:35 PM
Nice story from that great pilot.
But...i have read in the past about
spitfires and bf109`s and i have read
other things then this great pilot writes now.

So i am a little confused.

JG4_Helofly
02-03-2006, 03:45 PM
The only thing which can be realy like he discribe is the turnig Performans of the me 109 g14 because he flew it in real life so he must know it. Mustang, spit... he never flew this planes so this are only feelings.

carguy_
02-03-2006, 03:51 PM
First off the read really made me suspicious about its origin.Link to original site?

But let`s suppose the interview really happened.

At first glance the guy talks like a madman.At second,he was just a n00b that was able to survive through the last year of the war.

Let`s not call him a liar though.Pilot account vs. pilot account.

Did Bud Anderson fly 109/190 too?

If he did then clearly his accounts are more credible.

As a guy who knows everything from books bout WWII I can suspect the guy is not right bout them enemy planes.Interesting though,that he had such a low opinion on allied pilots` skills.
ither they had crappy aeroplanes or they had crappy pilots.Or maybe they had average aircraft flown by average pilots?


Spitfire a poor design?Well....um...no.

50cal

Well,the interview stands by the general opinion that fifties weren`t weapons that cut planes in half or made big holes in them.With a good number of hits one was able to limp home.


109/190

I suspect he was talking bout Dora.Most n00b LW pilots did want a Focke Wulf instead of 109 but old guys preferred the plane they flew most hours in.Logical.


109G14 faster than P51?Maybe the B/C?Surely not D.

As for turning performanceI guess it was more of getting known with the game.The 109 really turns well.All in all he describes our 109 pretty close.


P38 Lightning an inferior plane to 109G14 in a 1v1 seems ok.


MK108
I agree a single 30mm round is more than enough to make the pilot bail.Current game limitations prevent from doing this sometimes.It happens on both sides though.I`ve been hit by Yak9K/P39 many times and got away.



Very interesting read.Thank you.

berg417448
02-03-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Hornet:
Nice story from that great pilot.
But...i have read in the past about
spitfires and bf109`s and i have read
other things then this great pilot writes now.

So i am a little confused.


That's because it is a fake interview.

joeap
02-03-2006, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
The only thing which can be realy like he discribe is the turnig Performans of the me 109 g14 because he flew it in real life so he must know it. Mustang, spit... he never flew this planes so this are only feelings.

Fake fake fake. Crash strikes again. (Don't know if D0wnbeat is Crash but the "interview" is his.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

F19_Olli72
02-03-2006, 04:04 PM
Using real pilots name to troll is bad karma, he will roast in his own special hell constantly getting shot down by Spitfires and Bomber Lightnings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Sturm_Williger
02-03-2006, 04:22 PM
Yes, when Crash posted this, he used a different fake name. ( Volkmar Lowenherz IIRC )

But the rest is the same. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

zlin
02-03-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
I spoke w/ a German Pilot once who told me that a Mustang was hard to hit because it wobbled so much.

"wobbled so much" LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Good one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I don't know why but it makes me laugh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Thanks georgeo76

Tator_Totts
02-03-2006, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by zlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by georgeo76:
I spoke w/ a German Pilot once who told me that a Mustang was hard to hit because it wobbled so much.

"wobbled so much" LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Good one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I don't know why but it makes me laugh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Thanks georgeo76 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes this is priceless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

x__CRASH__x
02-03-2006, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Fake fake fake. Crash strikes again. (Don't know if D0wnbeat is Crash but the "interview" is his.
I'm innocent. I swear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

FluffyDucks
02-03-2006, 06:14 PM
Sounds to me like someone is really trolling here, got ALL the righ bait to lol....not a bad effort but pretty transparent http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Siwarrior
02-03-2006, 06:31 PM
thanks for that downbeat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
its nice to see other pilots view instead of thw ole american way of * we creamed em* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
02-03-2006, 06:49 PM
What a load of rubbish.

Lmao, a Spitfire a poor design? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif German pilots loved the captured examples...

P38 a bomber?

Mustangs guns too good in game for a new person to the game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

This 'interview' is just completely false.

LEXX_Luthor
02-03-2006, 07:46 PM
I enjoyed it, everything a simmer would want a German pilot to say. Well Done!

Frequent_Flyer
02-03-2006, 08:07 PM
He should interview the Grandson, he was flying a Spit, he obviously knows more about WW II aircraft.

luftluuver
02-03-2006, 08:09 PM
I will let my sig do all the talking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Marcel_Albert
02-03-2006, 09:53 PM
Interesting interview , i personnally don't give less credit to this interview than the one of Bud Anderson , it just express how subjective things were and how irrelevant are pilot accounts .

Anyway , P-51 is already the best plane in the sim with the Dora , Spits etc.., when you know how to fly it , so i guess some should whine less and appreciate the sim for what it is, or maybe train more

Tooz_69GIAP
02-03-2006, 10:23 PM
Well, it seems that Heinz Halstrick was a 109G-14 pilot in JG5

Here's a photo of his aircraft:

http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/EHomepage/PhotoGall...lleryedition1_4.html (http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/EHomepage/PhotoGallery/PhotoGalleryEdition1/photogalleryedition1_4.html)

And here is just one of many sites that list him in the WWII aces from Germany, and this particular one confirms his 13 kills.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm

Considering this guy actually exists, and if this article is fake, then that is not cool to use him for a fishing trip. But if the article is true, then you do have to stop and think a little about what he says, no matter how wrong you think he is.

Just because he doesn't endorse every so called "fact" that we know about certain aircraft's performance in combat, does certainly not mean that he is talking bull.

lrrp22
02-03-2006, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
Interesting interview , i personnally don't give less credit to this interview than the one of Bud Anderson , it just express how subjective things were and how irrelevant are pilot accounts .

Hmmm. As pilot accounts go, they don't come any more 'irrelevant' than this one. The credulity displayed here at times is simply breathtaking! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jetbuff
02-03-2006, 11:11 PM
Posted by a guy with only one post? Interesting...

Marcel_Albert
02-03-2006, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by lrrp22:

Hmmm. As pilot accounts go, they don't come any more 'irrelevant' than this one. The credulity displayed here at times is simply breathtaking! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yea , well sorry , it's hard to master 4 different languages perfectly , by irrelevant , i meant "relatif" in french , which means that you cannot really take it at the letter , cause it's very subjective .

Also in the game , we use the a/c at the max of their abilities , have loads of informations about the other side's planes , we died thousands of times , whereas in real life you had only one chance and knew only basic things about the ennemy's planes or tactics , only a few people , knew how to use their plane at their maximum abilities , or took the risk often to do so in combat missions .

For example someone like Hans-Joachim Ma.rseille was outturning Hurricanes flying defensive circles in slow turning doghfights , with his Bf-109 F2 and shot several P-40's like this using only his MG17 , that doesn't mean a 109 outturn the Hurris at slow speed , nor that MG17 was a very effective weapon , we later discovered that this pilot could withstand a high amountof G's and used his airplane to the maximum , like nobody could among his fellow .

When you read account of late war US, RAF , VVS pilots (in late 1944 , the airwar is virtually over ) , we must always remember they fought many noobs in old G6 with gunpods or not and outturned them very easily ,just like many German pilot argue that the best way they could shoot Mustangs was to outturn them in dogfight .
for example many victories were made by Allied planes circling the German airfield waiting the BF109 to come back from mission cause they were out of fuel and often out of ammo or damaged , the pilots often exhausted , which meant pretty easy victories in 1944 when you know that the German airforce was composed by loads of new noob recruits that had max 2-3 sorties of life rate . We never know which exact model , if the plane was already damaged before the account , the exact context of the story etc..

Now , who to believe , i personnaly think that we should only believe and compare all the figures of all tests made about planes , and be very cautious about pilot's interview 60 years ago , and not knowing if they had or have an agenda when the interview is made , i suspect many vetran pilots of all sides are very patriotic or nostalgic and deliberaletely exagerate their statements on purpose or not , most of the time .

airdale1960
02-04-2006, 01:10 AM
If the Spit was so inferior, why did Adolf Galland want them? Why did Goring himself "know the war was lost when he seen mustangs escourting bombers ovdr the fatherland?"

x__CRASH__x
02-04-2006, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by airdale1960:
Why did Goring himself "know the war was lost when he seen mustangs escourting bombers ovdr the fatherland?"
That quote says nothing of aircraft ability. Just of Germany's failure to stop them from coming.

airdale1960
02-04-2006, 01:25 AM
The mustang was the right aircraft at the right time. What about the Spit, was Galland all wrong?

airdale1960
02-04-2006, 01:27 AM
The speech of this pilot was all wrong. I do not buy the interview.

Pirschjaeger
02-04-2006, 01:40 AM
Ha ha ha, I didn´t even bother reading it all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

XCrashX has been reincarnated? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

F19_Olli72
02-04-2006, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Well, it seems that Heinz Halstrick was a 109G-14 pilot in JG5

Here's a photo of his aircraft:

http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/EHomepage/PhotoGall...lleryedition1_4.html (http://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/EHomepage/PhotoGallery/PhotoGalleryEdition1/photogalleryedition1_4.html)

And here is just one of many sites that list him in the WWII aces from Germany, and this particular one confirms his 13 kills.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm

Considering this guy actually exists, and if this article is fake, then that is not cool to use him for a fishing trip. But if the article is true, then you do have to stop and think a little about what he says, no matter how wrong you think he is.

Just because he doesn't endorse every so called "fact" that we know about certain aircraft's performance in combat, does certainly not mean that he is talking bull.

Its an obvious troll, since the real Heinz Halstrick did fly Fw 190 "White 5", and got a fair share of his kills in it. Amongst others 2 bombers in late october 1944. But in the so called "interview" he states he didnt fly the FW.

Badsight.
02-04-2006, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
I spoke w/ a German Pilot once who told me that a Mustang was hard to hit because it wobbled so much. hahahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HayateAce
02-04-2006, 03:57 AM
http://fake.arttoday.org/images/pe4at.png

joeap
02-04-2006, 08:02 AM
I'll bet you guys who think this was real will fell like the guy who published Hitler's diary in Der Speigel. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

joeap
02-04-2006, 08:54 AM
Look familiar?

Another interview (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2911059443/p/1)

A few things were added.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

LStarosta
02-04-2006, 11:24 AM
I find it hilarious how many people "Nice interview" even though we've pretty much established that it was a fake...

fordfan25
02-04-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
I spoke w/ a German Pilot once who told me that a Mustang was hard to hit because it wobbled so much.


LMFAO

Targ
02-04-2006, 11:59 AM
Lol, good one!
Fish on!!!

berg417448
02-04-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Look familiar?

Another interview (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2911059443/p/1)

A few things were added.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Yeah...I thought I recognized it when I saw it. Just shows that some people will believe anything posted on the internet.

x__CRASH__x
02-04-2006, 01:54 PM
On a serious note... wouldn't an actual interview with a German Experten be great to read after they've tried IL-2? Someone told me Rall was still alive. (I think thats who they mentioned) Hell, I've pay money to get that interview set up.

CD_kp84yb
02-04-2006, 02:18 PM
If i remember correctly, a while ago (could be 2 years) i real veteran tried this game, he toned down the input for the joystick alot, With those setting the planes gave a better feeling for him.
Cant remember the treath nor the name of the guy

berg417448
02-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
If i remember correctly, a while ago (could be 2 years) i real veteran tried this game, he toned down the input for the joystick alot, With those setting the planes gave a better feeling for him.
Cant remember the treath nor the name of the guy


That was Eric Brown. I still have his stick settings saved somewhere. They don't work for me!

x__CRASH__x
02-04-2006, 03:47 PM
Didn't work for much of anyone, IIRC. They were just too unresponsive to the game.

LStarosta
02-04-2006, 03:53 PM
I don't blame him for toning them down... Try going from a real airplane to a light little joystick, and the joystick feels too light and almost wishy-washy.

ploughman
02-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
If i remember correctly, a while ago (could be 2 years) i real veteran tried this game, he toned down the input for the joystick alot, With those setting the planes gave a better feeling for him.
Cant remember the treath nor the name of the guy



That was Eric Brown. I still have his stick settings saved somewhere. They don't work for me! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eric Brown came on this game? Stone the crows!

Enforcer572005
02-04-2006, 05:24 PM
Ive got a pretty good sense of humor and i know this is kinda amusing based on the furor over the subj matter, but i really wish the originator would publish a disclaimer now, like i saw a few weeks ago.....concerning a whirlwind being found (??). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

This might confuse some newer visitors to this site that never sign in or register, as the vast majority who see this stuff (notice 1200+ hits as of my posting this). Id hate for some simmer (or young student of history) to have the impression that the 109 of any model was actually superior to the 51 in anythhng but firepower, and that the spit was a lousy fighter...something no luftwaffe pilot ever said. I know i heard STienhoff, Rall, Krupinsky, and Galland all agree to the spits lethality back in 83 at a symposium, and i think we all know htat isnt the case.

There are several books by 109 pilots out there (cant think of the names rt offhand) like galland (first and the last) and RAll, but i never see those cited on here.

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Tooz::
Considering this guy actually exists, and if this article is fake, then that is not cool to use him for a fishing trip. <span class="ev_code_yellow">But if the article is true</span>, then you do have to stop and think a little about what he says, no matter how wrong you think he is.
No you don't -- no magazine publication title and issue date was offered, ie...a Fake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I was cleaning out my office and going through some past issues of some old aviation history magazines and I found this article. I looked for it online, but couldn€t find it, so I typed it out for you.
Enjoy!
Fake, but totally enjoyable! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Davinci..
02-04-2006, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Didn't work for much of anyone, IIRC. They were just too unresponsive to the game.

i think the problem was a simple matter of "stick throw".

he was used to flying the real thing, with a full throw stick. When flying the sim, he was on a joystick with probably no more then 8 inches of stick throw from left to right. It only makes sense that moving the real thing only 4 inches in any direction(like he did on the joystick), would yield the sensitivity he suggested.

x__CRASH__x
02-04-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
...i really wish the originator would publish a disclaimer now...
I understand what you are saying. Let me consider it.



No.

BfHeFwMe
02-05-2006, 12:15 AM
Even a luff****** needs a wet dream once in a while. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif