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MB_Avro_UK
04-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Hi all,

These two clips raise debatable issues with regard to the role of animals as Guardians of Morality and the Saviours of Civilisation.

I adopt the 'middle-ground' with regard to this sensitive topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUBxgdKZ_Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW8smNGepVY&feature=related

I have four for hire if anyone is interested http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

foxyboy1964
04-05-2008, 03:23 PM
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AKA_TAGERT
04-05-2008, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Hi all,

These two clips raise debatable issues with regard to the role of animals as Guardians of Morality and the Saviours of Civilisation.

I adopt the 'middle-ground' with regard to this sensitive topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUBxgdKZ_Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW8smNGepVY&feature=related

I have four for hire if anyone is interested http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.
role of animals?

I role them in flour and bake them over a low flame

Pirschjaeger
04-05-2008, 03:46 PM
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fabianfred
04-05-2008, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
role of animals?

I role them in flour and bake them over a low flame

yea...thats the difference between christian teaching and buddhist.....christians teach that animals were created for our use (abuse)...whilst buddhism teaches that they are just another realm (animal/hell/heaven/human/ghost) to which we can be reborn..... so watch how you abuse them....it may be you next life....

AKA_TAGERT
04-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by fabianfred:
yea...thats the difference between christian teaching and buddhist.....christians teach that animals were created for our use (abuse)...whilst buddhism teaches that they are just another realm (animal/hell/heaven/human/ghost) to which we can be reborn..... so watch how you abuse them....it may be you next life....
Poor Buddah

Bet he would have dump that belief system if there was a KFC within a mile of his hut http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-05-2008, 06:13 PM
While most people give thanks before a meal, they give thanks to the wrong entity, lol. By all means thank your god for any bounty but at the meal be sure to give thanks to the animal/plant who's life was lost to feed yours. Don't look at this as a reason to eat vegetarian though. I don't believe that humans should be vegetarians any more than we should start feeding tigers in the zoo tofu, we are omnivores and that is all there is to that side of the discussion. Life feeds on life, that is the way of nature, just be sure to respect that life which feeds yours.

AKA_TAGERT
04-05-2008, 06:34 PM
Now I lay me down to sleep..

I pray to the Colonel Sanders who gives me chicken meat..

And I thank him fer cuttin off the feet..

I hope one day we both shall meet..

MB_Avro_UK
04-05-2008, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Now I lay me down to sleep..

I pray to the Colonel Sanders who gives me chicken meat..

And I thank him fer cuttin off the feet..

I hope one day we both shall meet..

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Charos
04-05-2008, 06:58 PM
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With a python in your pants and a monkey in your boot - the world is your play-ground.

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-06-2008, 03:30 PM
yeah, 'spose I had that comin', lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-06-2008, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by fabianfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
role of animals?

I role them in flour and bake them over a low flame

yea...thats the difference between christian teaching and buddhist.....christians teach that animals were created for our use (abuse)...whilst buddhism teaches that they are just another realm (animal/hell/heaven/human/ghost) to which we can be reborn..... so watch how you abuse them....it may be you next life.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is where I get slightly annoyed. the `my religion is better than your religion` thing which also alludes to accusations that aren`t true.

Sure, in the Bible, God gave over the responsibility of earth to Humans, but to have with responsibility. It`s quite clear that we are expected to treat everything we partake of with respect.

Why is praying to God and giving thanks not showing respect for the animal caught or eaten, or the fruit plucked and eaten? Because you say so?

And God cares for the animals too.

Any good Christain will not abuse the animal world, but partake of it as much as is necessary, with thanks.

What you`re doing is, quite wrongly, accusing Christianity for all the abuses that Man may have made to animals and the earth, rather than just Man himself which is at fault.

bah, sometimes you guys think you`re so smart with your personal way of living that you just show yourself as fallible as the rest of us. ie, pointing the finger of blame at some other convenient scapegoat.

p.s. The Bible also mentions that the earth is like a home of which its human inhabitants are only tenants. the owner of the Home is expected to return and I think he`d like to see a home in good, clean, condition!

ffb
04-06-2008, 09:30 PM
I think you have over-reacted a bit with your 'religious war' theme.....

I was making my comment in reply to the flippant attitude of the post I quoted..... and I do not believe the majority of those in the west who claim to be christian sit and say grace before meals.....
It is a fact that christianity does not teach that it is a sin to kill animals....only people....whereas buddhism does.....

I never blamed christianity for all of the wrongs done to animals...you did that.

jadger
04-07-2008, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by ffb:
I think you have over-reacted a bit with your 'religious war' theme.....

I was making my comment in reply to the flippant attitude of the post I quoted..... and I do not believe the majority of those in the west who claim to be christian sit and say grace before meals.....
It is a fact that christianity does not teach that it is a sin to kill animals....only people....whereas buddhism does.....

I never blamed christianity for all of the wrongs done to animals...you did that.

why do you have two accounts?

you also assumed that AKA_TARGET is christian, and that his joke about eating animals was a result of his religious upbringing.

As for Buddhists treating animals better than Christians, you ever heard of a Mr. Richard Gere? he's Buddhist, and by the rumours going around, doesn't treat animals that well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

As for animals having a sense of morality, all one needs to do is look up the recent "controversy" about Knut or let your dog roam free in a rural setting with a bunch of other dogs for a week.

SeaFireLIV
04-07-2008, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by jadger:


why do you have two accounts?

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Yes, how strange and interesting. ffb and fabianfred. Must be on two PCs at different locals. Is it to confuse us? Certainly had me wondering for a minute there.

How many more people do this, I wonder?

Anyway, I was actually beginning to develope some respect for this Buddhism stuff, (cos i`m always interested in how new religions and cultures work). Unfortunately, you, as well as a couple of others, are showing me that you`re belief is just as fallible to temptation...

The grass is never greener on the other side.

-HH-Quazi
04-07-2008, 07:54 AM
Let's be careful here gents. Religion can be a touchy subject. But I am willing to allow this discussion to continue seeing as you all are handling it very well and the fact that we are trying to allow a bit more freedom of discussion in our Off Topic forum. But myself as well as the other mods will be keeping a close eye on it for sure. Carry on.

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-07-2008, 11:22 AM
Yeah, this thread was about monkeys installed in cars, I don't know how we got off track here, lol. Seafire, I see where you're coming from, I don't think fabianfred meant to sound the way it came out. I hope you can cut us non-christians a little slack, most of us who were raised in christian families but found other faiths can sometimes be a little bitter in our perspective. It's starting to change but most "christians" have a highly negative view of other religions and I know in my case I've had to deal with a lot of outright discrimination due to following a pagan belief. I see where fabian is coming from as there are a lot of "christians" that do have the view that nature is there for us to do with as we please. And please note the quotation marks around "christian" as I'm refereng to those that say they are, but do not know what thier talking about, as you said nature was given to man as a responsibility, but there are lot of "christians" that don't see it your way. And a bhuddist will be the first to acknowledge they are just as susceptable to temptations and wrongdoings as any other, if they weren't then they would have attained enlightenment and wouldn't be here posting on forums, lol.

MB_Avro_UK
04-07-2008, 02:43 PM
Hi all,

Maybe my thread title should have read 'This is very amusing...' and avoided ambiguity http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

ffb
04-07-2008, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:


why do you have two accounts?

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Yes, how strange and interesting. ffb and fabianfred. Must be on two PCs at different locals. Is it to confuse us? Certainly had me wondering for a minute there.

How many more people do this, I wonder?

Anyway, I was actually beginning to develope some respect for this Buddhism stuff, (cos i`m always interested in how new religions and cultures work). Unfortunately, you, as well as a couple of others, are showing me that you`re belief is just as fallible to temptation...

The grass is never greener on the other side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never judge a religion by its followers .....lol.....they are only human after all

I was banned for a month concerning the mods..... so my wife opened an account and i used that....one com at home and one at work....haven't bothered to log in under the old name on one though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

leitmotiv
04-08-2008, 09:02 PM
Having a great amount of experience with domestic felines, the answer would have to be no. Kipling nailed it: Nature is red of tooth and claw.

leitmotiv
04-08-2008, 09:10 PM
P.S. Those vids put me on the floor. I needed that, thanks.