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patboot
06-11-2005, 08:08 AM
Can anyone reccomend some books/stories?

I never seem to hear/read anything about them.

patboot
06-11-2005, 08:08 AM
Can anyone reccomend some books/stories?

I never seem to hear/read anything about them.

MouseNo47
06-11-2005, 08:40 AM
'Run silent, run deep' is a good movie.
Or 'above us the waves'. Cant think of anymore at the moment. I have only ever read one submarine book and that was from the german point of view - u700.

legodragonxp
06-11-2005, 08:54 AM
I have stacks of books about the U-boats and the USA subamrines... I haven't a one about the UK subs... other than what is mentioned about their destruction or attacks against U-boats.

Jester_159th
06-11-2005, 09:15 AM
I can't remember the author's name , but there is a book called "One of Our Submarines" that is very good and very well written.

It's the autobiography of one of the first RNVR officers to be given command of a submarine. It tells the story from his starting training for subs up to the end of the war.

Sorry I can't help with the authors name, but it's years since I read this one. Hopefully it'll still be in print.

Akula_971
06-11-2005, 09:39 AM
"one of our Submarines" By Edward Young ISBN 1-85326-681-7

A different war, but British submarines in the great war by Edwyn Gray is not a bad read too

S VIIC_41
06-11-2005, 12:57 PM
How come the British didn't seem to have many subs in WWII?

What was up with that? Did they just not think they were a great idea so they didn't build many or what?

If there were many, I'd assume we'd hear about them sometimes.

JU88
06-11-2005, 01:22 PM
Heres a list of brit subs that were lost during WW2 (and these are just losses...notice how many were sunk by friendly fire after being mistaked for U-Boats)

Oxley 10.9.39 Sunk by accident off Norway. Mistaken for U-boat and torpedoed by HMS/M Triton.
Seahorse 7.1.40 Sunk in Heligoland Bight, North Sea, by 1st German Minesweeping Flotilla.
Undine 7.1.40 Sunk in Heligoland Bight, North Sea. Depth charged by German minesweepers.
Starfish 9.1.40 Sunk in Heligoland Bight, North Sea. Depth charged by German minesweeper.
Thistle 10.4.40 Torpedoed and sunk off Skudenes, Norway, by German U-4.
Tarpon 14.4.40 Sunk by German minesweeper in North Sea.
Sterlet 18.4.40 Depth charged and sunk by German A/S trawlers, in Skagerrak
Unity 29.4.40 Sunk in collision with Norwegian ship SS Atle Jarl, off the River Tyne, in North Sea
Seal 5.5.40 Surrendered off the Skaw, in Kattegat.
Grampus 13.6.40 Sunk off Port Augusta, Sicily, in Mediterranean, by Italian torpedo boats
Odin 14.6.40 Sunk in Ionian Sea, Mediterranean, by depth charge by Italian naval units.
Orpheus 26.6.40 Sunk by gunfire from Italian ship Strale in the Gulf of Taranto, in Mediterranean.
Shark 6.7.40 Sunk off Norway. Attacked by German aircraft, sunk in tow.
Salmon 9.7.40 Sunk off Norway, presumably mined.
Phoenix 17.7.40 Depth charged and sunk by Italian torpedo boat off Sicily, in Mediterranean.
Thames ca.23.7.40 Sunk off Norway, presumably mined.
Narwhal 1.8.40 Sunk off Norway, presumably mined.
Oswald 1.8.40 Rammed and sunk by Italian destroyer Vivaldi in Mediterranean
Spearfish 5.8.40 Torpedoed and sunk by torpedo from German U-34 off Norway
H49 18.10.40 Torpedoed and sunk by German E-boats off Texel, Dutch coast, in North Sea
Rainbow 19.10.40 Sunk in Mediterranean. Possibly by Italian s/m Enrico Toti by gunfire.
Triad 20.10.40 Sunk in Mediterranean. Possibly by Italian s/m Enrico Toti by gunfire.
Swordfish 7.11.40 Mined and sunk off Isle of Wight.
Regulus 6.12.40 Lost in Strait of Otranto, Mediterranean, cause unknown.
Triton 18.12.40 Lost on patrol in lower Adriatic.


Snapper 12.2.41 Sunk in Bay of Biscay
Usk 3.5.41 Mined and sunk off Cape Bon, Tunisia, Mediterranean
Undaunted 13.5.41 Lost off Tripoli, Mediterranean, probably mined.
Umpire 19.7.41 Sunk in collision with British A/S trawler Peter Hendricks in North Sea
Union 22.7.41 Sunk in Mediterranean by Italian torpedo boat off Pantellaria.
Cachalot 4.8.41 Rammed and sunk by Italian torpedo boat Papa off Cyrenaica, in Mediterranean. Scuttled to avoid capture.
P33 20.8.41 Sunk in Mediterranean, believed mined off Tripoli.
P32 23.8.41 Sunk in Mediterranean, believed mined off Tripoli.
Tetrarch 2.11.41 Sunk in Mediterranean, believed mined in the Strait of Sicily.
Perseus 1.12.41 Hit mine and sunk off Cephalonia, Greece.
H31 24.12.41 Sunk in Bay of Biscay


Triumph 20.1.42 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined in Aegean Sea, off Milos.
Tempest 13.2.42 Attacked and sunk by Italian torpedo boat in Mediterranean
P38 25.2.42 Depth charged and sunk by Italian torpedo boat in Mediterranean
P39 26.3.42 Bombed and sunk by aircraft at Malta
P36 1.4.42 Bombed and sunk by aircraft at Malta
Pandora 1.4.42 Bombed and sunk by aircraft at Malta
Upholder 14.4.42 Depth charged and sunk off Tripoli, in Mediterranean.
Urge 6.5.42 Depth charged and sunk by Italian torpedo boat off Tripoli, in Mediterranean
Olympus 8.5.42 Hit mine and sunk in swept channel leaving Malta.
P514 21.6.42 Mistaken for U-boat and rammed by minesweeper HMCS Georgian in Western Atlantic.
Thorn 6.8.42 Depth charged and sunk by Italian torpedo boat Pegaso between Crete and Tripoli, in Mediterranean
Talisman 18.9.42 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined in Strait of Sicily.
Unique 24.10.42 Sunk in Atlantic, on passage from UK to Gibraltar.
Unbeaten 11.11.42 Sunk in Bay of Biscay, Atlantic, in error by Wellington of No 172 Sqdn RAF Coastal Command, 110nm SSW of Ushant.
Utmost 24.11.42 Depth charged and sunk by Italian torpedo boat off west coast of Sicily.
P222 12.12.42 Sunk by Italian topedo boat off Naples, Mediterranean.
Traveller 12.12.42 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined in Gulf of Taranto.
P48 25.12.42 Depth charged and sunk by Italian corvettes off Zemba Island in Gulf of Tunis.


P311 8.1.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined north of Corsica.
Vandal 24.2.43 Sunk by accident in Firth of Clyde
Tigris 10.3.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined.
Thunderbolt 13.3.43 Depth charged and sunk by Italian A/S boat Cicogna off St.Vito, north of Sicily.
Turbulent 23.3.43 Depth charged and sunk off Maddalena, Sardinia.
Regent 16.4.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined.
P615 18.4.43 Torpedoed and sunk off West Africa by German U-123.
Splendid 21.4.43 Sunk in Mediterranean. Scuttled after depth charge attack by German destroyer off Corsica.
Sahib 24.4.43 Depth charged by Italian corvette Gabbiano, abandoned and scuttled, in Mediterranean
Untamed 30.5.43 Sunk during exercises off Scotland
Parthian 11.8.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined in southern Adriatic.
Saracen 18.8.43 Depth charged and sunk by Italian corvette off Bastia.
X8 17.9.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz. (Lost en route).
X5 22.9.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz
X6 22.9.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz
X7 22.9.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz
X10 3.10.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz (Scuttled on return trip).
Usurper 11.10.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, presumed mined.
X9 15.10.43 Lost in attack on Tirpitz
Trooper 17.10.43 Lost in Aegean Sea, possibly mined.
Simoom 19.11.43 Sunk in Mediterranean, possibly mined off Kos, Greece.

X22 7.2.44 Sunk in collision in Pentland Firth
Graph 20.3.44 Wrecked off coast of Scotland
Stonehenge 22.3.44 Sunk in Indian Ocean. Unknown reason. (New research - see Stonehenge)
Syrtis 28.3.44 Mined and sunk off Norway
Sickle 18.6.44 Sunk, presumed mined, in the Antikithera Channel in Eastern Mediterranean.
Stratagem 22.11.44 Depth charged and sunk by Japanese patrol craft off Malacca.
Porpoise 19.1.45 Bombed and sunk by Japanese aircraft in Malacca Strait, Indian Ocean



with the web at your fingertips, you dont gotta look far. The brits had loads of submarines in WW2, not as many as Germany but still, the brits had 36 operational subs in 1939... read on at the link below

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/ww2sm2.html

also worth a look

http://www.britsub.net/

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JU88
06-11-2005, 02:19 PM
well ive had a good read, seems that the british were way ahead of the Germans and the US with torpedo technology.

Unfortunatly unlike the U-boats, most of the early british subs were small, short ranged vessels (like the Type II U-boat i guess) and were assigned mainly to coastal operations. hence the british subs never saw much of the action in the battle of atlantic. I seem to me that the late war british subs mostly saw action in the Pacific against Japan. I guess by 1943 it was already clear the allies had won the atlantic.

LOL it seem even the dutch had its own classes and flotillas of subs during WW2, though they look dated even for the 1940s.

If you look at the site above be sure to check out the story of the british X-craft (mini sub)
attack on the turpitz, interesting read.

All this just reminds us how much content from the war is actually not present in SH3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

heres a story about the Salmon ( a class of brit sub):
The Salmon (Lt.Cdr E.O. Bickford) started her patrol in late 1939 by sighting a U-boat - the U36 - outward bound, on 4th December. It was a very long shot, over 5000 yards, but at the end of a four and a half minute run, Bickford saw his torpedo hit the U-boat and blow her to bits in a great explosion. He followed up on the surface, but when the Salmon arrived on the scene, there was nothing left but oil, debris, a German lifebelt and the dead body of a seaman. Southwest of Kristiansand, Norway, 57.00N, 05.20E.

got this here (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/salmon.html)

CannonFodda_99
06-11-2005, 06:14 PM
"Strike from the Sea" by Douglas Reeman is a good book. Bout a british crew on a giant french submarine (with an aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif ) Fictional though.