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sunflower1
09-29-2004, 05:48 PM
I just saw your post about your stick design, very nice.

I understand those commercial limitations. I am working on a mount that goes between the baseplate and cushion backing of a standard office chair.

The idea is to get the stick away from the front of the desk so you can shove it full forward. People with fat thighs aren't going to like it.

This arrangement isn't perfect, but the stick gets longer than a desktop one. Its also lower, reducing the need for oddly sinuous and tense muscles in the neck, upper back and shoulder.

The idea would be to turn any standard secretarial or equivalent chair into a target installation by lengthening the mounting bolts by the thickness of the adapter kit.

Which has me humming Johnny Cash. "...we had that engine runnin' like a song.."

sunflower1
09-29-2004, 05:48 PM
I just saw your post about your stick design, very nice.

I understand those commercial limitations. I am working on a mount that goes between the baseplate and cushion backing of a standard office chair.

The idea is to get the stick away from the front of the desk so you can shove it full forward. People with fat thighs aren't going to like it.

This arrangement isn't perfect, but the stick gets longer than a desktop one. Its also lower, reducing the need for oddly sinuous and tense muscles in the neck, upper back and shoulder.

The idea would be to turn any standard secretarial or equivalent chair into a target installation by lengthening the mounting bolts by the thickness of the adapter kit.

Which has me humming Johnny Cash. "...we had that engine runnin' like a song.."

BaldieJr
09-29-2004, 06:34 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good choice of music for the topic.

I think your idea has merit. A single L-bracket of suitable strength would work well.

There is a huge difference in FM "feel" with a center mounted stick... its almost like getting a new sim to play http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ergonomicly it is a dream. I used the handle from my X45, but I never glued (or screwed) it in place, so it can turn with some effort. During intense fighting it would twist left a bit (same reason why I can't use a twist-rudder, oddly enough).

I finally concluded that the handle of the stick was more natural if twisted left, and my distinct lack of wrist-pain after hours of play is proof http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My shoulder never hurts either http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Like I said in the other thread, it would be nice of someone made a flight-sim seat that was affordable. With seats/desks all of varying hieghts, its hard to create a one-size-fits-all stick.

More people should look into building custom sticks. It really is worth the effort.

sunflower1
09-29-2004, 10:22 PM
When your wife looks at your stick, does she say, "honey, take me for a spin?"

I'm cobbling with leftover construction materials right now, and instead of a single L, I've just got a flat plate I put both halves of the X-45 on.

It sorta sucks, but its in the right direction.

I have to get the shop manual out every time I have an electrical problem, getting pots and USB's to talk makes me fearful like a little schoolgirl, let alone the simple programming that would go along with mapping, etc. I'd be lost.

I think the final version would have a stick more like yours, mounted on a plate that sits at a lower level and the "wings" that the stick and throttle attach to would be removable so that a chair isn't necessarily sacrificed to gaming, and the equipment continously exposed to rowdy dogs, kids, etc.

The center stick dream, commercially, would involve selling a whole lower seat cushion with a notch removed for stick travel. I played with the geometry of it a little sitting on a piece of foam covered plywood with the X-45 mounted below. It didn't really feel right, the short stick and location of the pivot weren't right.

What am I, the 1,000th person to try that?

It needs to be a stick with the travel of yours and a pivot that is low enough so that your hand is basically moving side to side, instead of your wrist twisting, too.

Could you mount yours to a bracket that dropped down from the front of the chair's baseplate, to a horizontal plate at the right level?

F19_Orheim
09-29-2004, 10:46 PM
baldie, I haven't seen you on F19_Cr@pGalore yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaldieJr
09-29-2004, 11:25 PM
Pots and USB: www.betainnovations.com (http://www.betainnovations.com) look at the plasma2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The soon-to-be wife is a very understanding woman http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here is a horrible attempt at drawing a side-view:

http://www.acphosting.com/prototype.gif

The pots are hard-mounted, but this is causing some binding. The only way to get rid of the binding is to make concessions (larger holes where the pot slider goes into stick), which always introduces "slop"** into the system.

I think I have a way around this. I'm going to use bicycle brake cable to link the stick to the slide pots. This should allow me to mount the pots inside a plastic box under the seat, which will help to keep them free of dust, while maintaining tight link tolerances.

Now, the last bit of tweaking involves using aluminum for the control stick so I can bend it a bit. I want it a bit closer to me, so I'll put a small s-curve into it and everything should be prefectly suited for me.

For centering, I plan to pull elastic straight down the control stick from somewhere between the pivots (remember, my pivots are offset with one above the other). It will be anchored directly below the stick on a tab (fake floor since I don't want to drill into my carpet!). The constant down pressue should be enough to maintain center, and any movement away from center should be met with resistance that increases with distance. The centering is completely untested at this point and may
require a redesign http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Orheim,
This thread is exactly why.. I've got my stick torn apart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

**Slop = stick travel that does not related to potentiometer travel.